ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[nitish.sarangi]

@Chinmoy "Now all these do have a different role to play. Mig-21 being an interceptor could not be pitted against a Mig-29. The result is known here."

If I am not wrong IAF has a TACDE unit where different fighter types are pitted against each other.. In war situation no body can predict what fighter type one might encounter.. A Mig 21 may well encounter a Mig 29 class aircraft.. Though technology favors the Mig 29 class, good training and tactics for countering this eventuality can always add a crown to the Mig 21 pilot's "lady luck" and might just turn the tables. In case of Tejas, as it will undergo simultaneous development route, inputs from services and subsequent enhancements can help it be a great fighter in the regional airspace at least.

 

[Chinmoy]

@Chinmoy "Now all these do have a different role to play. Mig-21 being an interceptor could not be pitted against a Mig-29. The result is known here."

If I am not wrong IAF has a TACDE unit where different fighter types are pitted against each other.. In war situation no body can predict what fighter type one might encounter.. A Mig 21 may well encounter a Mig 29 class aircraft.. Though technology favors the Mig 29 class, good training and tactics for countering this eventuality can always add a crown to the Mig 21 pilot's "lady luck" and might just turn the tables. In case of Tejas, as it will undergo simultaneous development route, inputs from services and subsequent enhancements can help it be a great fighter in the regional airspace at least.

I was not aware of the term TACDE, may be it is what I was referring to. I am aware that such sort of internal exercises does takes place to hone the pilot skill. But what I have said is about setting up a TOP GUN school for pilot training. It would be budgetary suicide for us in current scenario with such a diverse platform. Moreover it is sure that in war scenario you are bound to come across surprising enemy. That's the reason why no one does sends a ground attack fighter all alone in a mission. Its always being escorted by air superiority defenders.

 

[R.parida]

The criticism are not new , the development is slow and they say time is constant here like a black hole circling over India. Many shortfalls and many waivers but still to see the bird on IAF's hand. http://www.orissadiary.com/ShowOriyaColumn.asp?id=62729

 

[Pulkit]

when is HAL handing over the next production Tejas to IAF????
Any news on that ?

Will they be able to produce another 3 in next 4 months i.e. end of the financial year March 2016???

 

[Abhishek Shrivastava]

LSP-8 – First flight trial completed in March 2013. so what all encouraging about it????

You absolutely correct It has flown for 146 times but as you know complete LSP's were grounded due to Landing gear issue and coming to Air one by one..

·2987th flight on 06 Nov

TD1 : 233

PV1: 245

PV3: 387

LSP1: 74

LSP3-257

LSP5: 290

TD2 : 305

PV2: 222

PV5: 110

LSP2: 314

LSP4: 170

LSP7: 147

NP1: 43

LSP8 : 146

PV6: 34

NP2: 10

 

[R.parida]

You absolutely correct It has flown for 146 times but as you know complete LSP's were grounded due to Landing gear issue and coming to Air one by one..

·2987th flight on 06 Nov

TD1 : 233

PV1: 245

PV3: 387

LSP1: 74

LSP3-257

LSP5: 290

TD2 : 305

PV2: 222

PV5: 110

LSP2: 314

LSP4: 170

LSP7: 147

NP1: 43

LSP8 : 146

PV6: 34

NP2: 10

These are trivial issues, if you will go through other fighter aircraft development issues you will ignore such type of issues and need not to be worried or happy .. take example of FGFA and F-22 they are grounded for many many months due number of issues... media was looking for such type of incident to make it out of proportion!! and lobbist especially Rafale lovers just loved it ... top of that the appearence of S-400 made it impossible for import lobbist to buy anything beyond 36 Rafale and they are looking for alternative ways to push their product ... just forget it .. it wont happen till Modi and Parikar there....

Just for you Abhishek in neat and clean way....
2983rd flight on 25 Aug
TD1: 233, TD2: 305, PV1: 245, PV2: 222, PV3: 387, PV5: 110, PV6: 34, LSP1: 74, LSP2: 314, LSP3: 257, LSP4: 167, LSP5: 290, LSP7: 147, LSP8 : 145, NP1: 43, NP2: 10

2985th flight on 30 Oct
TD1: 233, TD2: 305, PV1: 245, PV2: 222, PV3: 387, PV5: 110, PV6: 34, LSP1: 74, LSP2: 314, LSP3: 257, LSP4: 169, LSP5: 290, LSP7: 147, LSP8 : 145, NP1: 43, NP2: 10

2986th flight on 04 Nov
TD1: 233, TD2: 305, PV1: 245, PV2: 222, PV3: 387, PV5: 110, PV6: 34, LSP1: 74, LSP2: 314, LSP3: 257, LSP4: 170, LSP5: 290, LSP7: 147, LSP8 : 145, NP1: 43, NP2: 10

 

[silicon3]

I was not aware of the term TACDE, may be it is what I was referring to. I am aware that such sort of internal exercises does takes place to hone the pilot skill. But what I have said is about setting up a TOP GUN school for pilot training. It would be budgetary suicide for us in current scenario with such a diverse platform. Moreover it is sure that in war scenario you are bound to come across surprising enemy. That's the reason why no one does sends a ground attack fighter all alone in a mission. Its always being escorted by air superiority defenders.

it is good to know that the IAF does practise internally agianst varied platforms, aal in all when faced with roughly equal wepaon capabilities and equipment , its the tactics that will proivide the edge. thaks for the head up with this info

 

[J.A.]

I like this war air craft very much.

 

[mahesh]

Would LCA Tejas get NATO reporting name ? like Russian and Chinese Fighters have got ?

If in case , they name it, what would it be ? (just on a curiosity note)

 

[Kyubi]

Weapons configuration is being slightly changed in view of Tejas Mark 1A , Missiles like R73 might be scrapped. Currently store separation analysis with respect to Under Fuselage drop tank is currently being carried out in conjunction with 1000lb bombs.
No information on Multiple Ejector Racks.. nothing has been taken up on this front.

 

[cobra commando]

OneIndia Exclusive: Tejas may create history with flying demo at Bahrain air show

 

[lcafanboy]

OneIndia Exclusive: Tejas may create history with flying demo at Bahrain air show Written by: Dr Anantha Krishnan M Updated: Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 21:32 [IST] Share this on your social network: FacebookTwitterGoogle+ Comments (0) Mail Bengaluru, Dec 08: Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is throttling to script history probably by becoming the first home-grown Indian fighter jet to have flown outside the country's airspace. If no last-minute glitches (from babudom or technical) get onboard, then Tejas will strut its stuff at the 4th edition of Bahrain International Air Show (BIAS), scheduled from January 21-23, 2016. BIAS-2016 is being held at the Sakhir Airbase. Image Courtesy: Basani Satheesh Kumar, MoD Senior officials of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Ministry of Defence (MoD) will brainstorm one last time in New Delhi on December 9 (Wednesday) to take a final call on Tejas' all-historic out-bound flying mission. "The green signal will be given on Wednesday after the crucial meeting. There are many nagging issues that need to be sorted out, including which country it would stop over during ferry to Bahrain," says an official. Two aircraft being readied ahead of the show As this report goes live on OneIndia, it is confirmed that two Tejas aircraft are being readied in Bengaluru, ahead of its possible historic ferry to Bahrain. With just over a month left for BIAS-2016, the officials are racing against time to put up a smooth show. Engineers and scientists in ADA and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) are all excited about the bright prospects of Tejas flying at BIAS-2016. Ahead of ferrying the platforms to Bahrain, the HAL-ADA team members are working on a ‘special software build' to enable the pilots have decided to demonstrate extreme manoeuvres. On the demonstration menu are ‘Vertical Square' which demands an 8 G envelope, the ‘Knife Edge' and the ‘Opposite U-turns. The platforms being readied for BIAS-2016 are LSP-3 and LSP-4, out of which one will be doing the flying duties and other on static display. The SP-1, now under the command of Indian Air Force (IAF) and HAL, is likely to be kept as a stand-by in Bengaluru. Tejas was on static display at BIAS- 2014, with India's prying plane AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning Control) hitting the skies. DRDO had then claimed that the products were displayed with ‘the aim of exploring the potential of exporting them to friendly countries in the region.' Image Courtesy: Basani Satheesh Kumar, MoD During Aero India 2015, Ahmed Al Nemah, then acting Under Secretary for Civil Aviation Affairs, Bahrain Ministry of Transportation and Telecommunications, had held discussions with Indian counterparts on BIAS-2016. The show is expected to see an increased participation by 60 percent since its first edition in 2010. Tejas flying picks up after a lull period The Tejas test-flights have started to pick up momentum after months of lull activities owing to technical glitches relating to the undercarriage. The flight plan was badly hit during the months of May, June, July and August this year. In November bad weather further added to the woes of ADA and HAL. The naval programme too slowed down owing to similar issues. The combined number of flights (all variants minus SP-1) stands at 2998 as on December 8, 2015, clocking around 1926 hours. The Tejas was out flying at HAL Airport on Tuesday. Image Courtesy: Basani Satheesh Kumar, MoD "To put in perspective, Year 2015 has not been an inspiring one for Team Tejas. But the programme has seen worst challenges and we are confident of moving ahead," says an official. With the SP-2 reaching the flight integration stage at HAL, the programme is now heading towards the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) in mid-2016. An impatient IAF is finally on the Squadron formation mode with the DRDO pinning hopes on bagging 100 Tejas MK-I As orders soon. Flight-testing envelope will be expanded Ahead of the Bahrain trip, Tejas is expected to expand the flight envelope clearance to 8G and at a higher Alpha of 24 degrees and more. "These parameters allow the aircraft to perform at higher manoeuvrability. The demonstrations planned for BIAS-2016 will be different from Aero India 2015," says an official. If mission Bahrain finally gets cleared by Delhi on Wednesday, then DRDO-ADA has to quickly put in place the logistics. Image Courtesy: Basani Satheesh Kumar, MoD "It's going to be a great effort. Around 200-250 engineers, scientists and ground support teams will have to be positioned at various bases. Tejas will have to be first ferried to an IAF base on Indian border. For re-fuelling and other checks, a country in the Gulf (enroute Bahrain) needs to be identified. A large number of team will also have to be positioned at Bahrain as well," says an official. For DRDO-ADA-HAL team flying Tejas at BIAS-2016 will be a bold statement. It will also give an opportunity for India to demonstrate (at an international show outside India) its entry into a league of nations capable of building such complex fight jet systems. "If it happens, then it will be a great pride for India. Remember, it is not built on any stolen or borrowed technology," the official adds. (The writer is a seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. Currently a Post-Doctoral Fellow with University of Mysore, he is a Consulting Editor (Defence) with OneIndia. He tweets @writetake.)

Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/india/tejas...ith-flying-demo-bahrain-air-show-1950118.html

 

[Shaitan]

HAL is 10 months late with SP2 so far, and they're only getting it ready. @Mad Indian

With the SP-2 reaching the flight integration stage at HAL,

http://www.oneindia.com/india/tejas...ith-flying-demo-bahrain-air-show-1950118.html

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

I live behind the HAL OLD AIRPORT. This is the place where LCA TEJAS is being tested. I Saw the jets flying in the sky for the past two days..... Donno why they are flying..... Anything related to the testing? I thought that the testing is over.....

 

[J.A.]

Alternativ four I voite on this site.

 

[indiatester]

I live behind the HAL OLD AIRPORT. This is the place where LCA TEJAS is being tested. I Saw the jets flying in the sky for the past two days..... Donno why they are flying..... Anything related to the testing? I thought that the testing is over.....

Same here. Nice to find a neighbour here

 

[indiatester]

HAL is 10 months late with SP2 so far, and they're only getting it ready. @Mad Indian

With the SP-2 reaching the flight integration stage at HAL,

http://www.oneindia.com/india/tejas...ith-flying-demo-bahrain-air-show-1950118.html

With no heads rolling for failures this glacial pace will continue.

 

[M.J.K]

I live behind the HAL OLD AIRPORT. This is the place where LCA TEJAS is being tested. I Saw the jets flying in the sky for the past two days..... Donno why they are flying..... Anything related to the testing? I thought that the testing is over.....

OneIndia Exclusive: Tejas may create history with flying demo at Bahrain air show Written by: Dr Anantha Krishnan M Updated: Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 21:32 [IST] Share this on your social network: FacebookTwitterGoogle+ Comments (0) Mail Bengaluru, Dec 08: Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is throttling to script history probably by becoming the first home-grown Indian fighter jet to have flown outside the country's airspace. If no last-minute glitches (from babudom or technical) get onboard, then Tejas will strut its stuff at the 4th edition of Bahrain International Air Show (BIAS), scheduled from January 21-23, 2016. BIAS-2016 is being held at the Sakhir Airbase. Image Courtesy: Basani Satheesh Kumar, MoD Senior officials of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Ministry of Defence (MoD) will brainstorm one last time in New Delhi on December 9 (Wednesday) to take a final call on Tejas' all-historic out-bound flying mission. "The green signal will be given on Wednesday after the crucial meeting. There are many nagging issues that need to be sorted out, including which country it would stop over during ferry to Bahrain," says an official. Two aircraft being readied ahead of the show As this report goes live on OneIndia, it is confirmed that two Tejas aircraft are being readied in Bengaluru, ahead of its possible historic ferry to Bahrain. With just over a month left for BIAS-2016, the officials are racing against time to put up a smooth show. Engineers and scientists in ADA and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) are all excited about the bright prospects of Tejas flying at BIAS-2016. Ahead of ferrying the platforms to Bahrain, the HAL-ADA team members are working on a ‘special software build' to enable the pilots have decided to demonstrate extreme manoeuvres. On the demonstration menu are ‘Vertical Square' which demands an 8 G envelope, the ‘Knife Edge' and the ‘Opposite U-turns. The platforms being readied for BIAS-2016 are LSP-3 and LSP-4, out of which one will be doing the flying duties and other on static display. The SP-1, now under the command of Indian Air Force (IAF) and HAL, is likely to be kept as a stand-by in Bengaluru. Tejas was on static display at BIAS- 2014, with India's prying plane AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning Control) hitting the skies. DRDO had then claimed that the products were displayed with ‘the aim of exploring the potential of exporting them to friendly countries in the region.' Image Courtesy: Basani Satheesh Kumar, MoD During Aero India 2015, Ahmed Al Nemah, then acting Under Secretary for Civil Aviation Affairs, Bahrain Ministry of Transportation and Telecommunications, had held discussions with Indian counterparts on BIAS-2016. The show is expected to see an increased participation by 60 percent since its first edition in 2010. Tejas flying picks up after a lull period The Tejas test-flights have started to pick up momentum after months of lull activities owing to technical glitches relating to the undercarriage. The flight plan was badly hit during the months of May, June, July and August this year. In November bad weather further added to the woes of ADA and HAL. The naval programme too slowed down owing to similar issues. The combined number of flights (all variants minus SP-1) stands at 2998 as on December 8, 2015, clocking around 1926 hours. The Tejas was out flying at HAL Airport on Tuesday. Image Courtesy: Basani Satheesh Kumar, MoD "To put in perspective, Year 2015 has not been an inspiring one for Team Tejas. But the programme has seen worst challenges and we are confident of moving ahead," says an official. With the SP-2 reaching the flight integration stage at HAL, the programme is now heading towards the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) in mid-2016. An impatient IAF is finally on the Squadron formation mode with the DRDO pinning hopes on bagging 100 Tejas MK-I As orders soon. Flight-testing envelope will be expanded Ahead of the Bahrain trip, Tejas is expected to expand the flight envelope clearance to 8G and at a higher Alpha of 24 degrees and more. "These parameters allow the aircraft to perform at higher manoeuvrability. The demonstrations planned for BIAS-2016 will be different from Aero India 2015," says an official. If mission Bahrain finally gets cleared by Delhi on Wednesday, then DRDO-ADA has to quickly put in place the logistics. Image Courtesy: Basani Satheesh Kumar, MoD "It's going to be a great effort. Around 200-250 engineers, scientists and ground support teams will have to be positioned at various bases. Tejas will have to be first ferried to an IAF base on Indian border. For re-fuelling and other checks, a country in the Gulf (enroute Bahrain) needs to be identified. A large number of team will also have to be positioned at Bahrain as well," says an official. For DRDO-ADA-HAL team flying Tejas at BIAS-2016 will be a bold statement. It will also give an opportunity for India to demonstrate (at an international show outside India) its entry into a league of nations capable of building such complex fight jet systems. "If it happens, then it will be a great pride for India. Remember, it is not built on any stolen or borrowed technology," the official adds. (The writer is a seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. Currently a Post-Doctoral Fellow with University of Mysore, he is a Consulting Editor (Defence) with OneIndia. He tweets @writetake.)

Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/india/tejas...ith-flying-demo-bahrain-air-show-1950118.html

The answer for your question might lie in the above lines posted by @lcafanboy

 

[Indx TechStyle]

HAL unveils LCA Tejas full scale model at Minsk Square

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has unveiled the full scale model of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas in Bengaluru city’s iconic Minsk Square.
Tejas is a single engined, light weight, highly agile, multi-role supersonic fighter. It has quadruplex digital fly-by-wire Flight Control System (FCS) with associated advanced flight control laws.
Extensive use of advanced composites in the airframe gives it a high strength to weight ratio, long fatigue life and low radar signatures. Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is the project manager for the development of LCA.CA's production facilities have been set up at HAL.
T Suvarna Raju, Chairman and Managing Director, HAL, unveiled the LCA model opposite to HAL Corporate Office. Earlier, the Minsk Square housed the model of Ajeet (Gnat) aircraft which was removed due to the metro work in 2009.
“The Minsk Square with lush green layout and lighting is maintained by HAL. We are happy to contribute to the city’s beautification in our own way. The LCA model stands as a symbolic representation reflecting city’s reputation as an aerospace hub of India”, said Raju. Cmde C D Balaji (Retd), Program Director, Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), and G Kumar Naik, Commissioner, Bruhat Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike (BBMP), and others were present during the launch.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Team LCA Gears Up for Increased Orders

BANGALORE: From imported robotic machine to drill holes to Bengaluru based 3D printing of components, Team LCA is gearing up for increased orders for the Light Combat Aircraft
(LCA) Tejas for the Indian Air Force.
With IAF increasing its order of LCAs forcing HAL to manufacture 108 aircraft for six squadrons, the
defence PSU is scaling up quality and speed. A robotic drilling machine in the final assembly hangar has reduced the time taken to drill a hole on the wing skin to just over a minute from 25-35
minutes it took manually.
The machine, which needs to drill around 8,000
holes, can manage 66% with the remaining done
manually. "That will change soon; we'll soon have
more efficiency," LCA division general manager V
Sridharan told TOI. HAL is using Bengaluru-based
3D printing for some components. "A proposal to
acquire such a printer is being prepared but now,
we're outsourcing it," he said.
Sources in HAL said given the Centre's Make in India campaign and to save on time, outsourcing
some manufacturing has happened and a few other projects are in the pipeline. The wing assembly has been outsourced to L&T, while 10 vendors will be in the fray for the centre and rear fuselage, for which tenders will be floated soon. "Outsourcing of 33 electrical panels, six mechanical assembly projects making of fin and rudder, etc is under way," they said.
Stating that the second Series Pro duction Tejas is in the final stages of assembly and will be ready for IAF in the next 45 days, Sridharan said: "By the fourth or fifth aircraft, we should be able further reduce the time."
Earlier this year, HAL handed over an aircraft to the IAF, which is undergoing some changes. The
second in the series is almost ready . To enhance
the rate of production, HAL had late last year sent
a proposal to the defence ministry for setting up a second production line.A senior official said the
ministry is likely to clear it by February. HAL has invested Rs 150 crore for capacity augmentation. According to the proposal, HAL is expected to invest 50% of the Rs 1,200-crore estimated cost, while the IAF and the Navy will
invest 25% each.