ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[nitesh]

Naval AC are meant to operate under the carriers. The mockup of land carrier will not serve the purpose for time. It will hamper the landing gear of the ACs. Hope you got the point.

SO what? How does it relates to number of orders being limited

 

[thakur_ritesh]

discussion continues at:-

ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions II

 

[ppgj]

speculations end -

Sunday, April 25, 2010

LCA radar is not a AESA !

Well it seems like the mystery has finally ended maybe a little on a sad note. As reported by us earlier that the radar recently tested on the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) being a AESA is wrong. It was justed informed to us that the radar tested was not a AESA but a hybrid of Elta- 2032.
The Radar is a mechanically steered multi-mode radar based on Israeli's Elta-2032 which currently in service on-board Indian Navy's Sea Harrier's. It was confirmed to us that the radar is 100% Indian with only the processor of Israeli origin. This radar will be used on the first 40 LCA's which are on order for the Indian Air force(IAF). Later on the LCA Mk-2's will have a AESA which is in works.
Angle of Attack apologizes for the misinforming before and letting the readers down. However with very little information coming out of HAL airport we did our best. But this still is a great achievement for the project and we wish all the best to the team for the coming future.

Images of Indian MMR and Elta-2032.

http://angle-of-attack.blogspot.com/2010/04/lca-radar-is-not-aesa.html

 

[enlightened1]

You won't believe this ppgj..I just got off the phone with someone who has requested total anonymity. She works @ HAL & is the one who had told me about Mauritius choosing the Dhruv a looong time before it appeared in the media. Though she is NOT involved in the LCA project at all, but is "pretty sure" that the radar on board LSP-3 is NOT AESA. Personally I consider her to be very reliable as she has been on the dot so far.

 

[dineshchaturvedi]

AESA or not we seems to be reaching an important milestone, it will great day for India when we get IOC. I am LCA fan and is reflected in my Avatar.

 

[enlightened1]

^^ Indeed with LSP-4 scheduled to fly in a month & quickly followed by LSP-5, that's all good.

 

[ppgj]

You won't believe this ppgj..I just got off the phone with someone who has requested total anonymity. She works @ HAL & is the one who had told me about Mauritius choosing the Dhruv a looong time before it appeared in the media. Though she is NOT involved in the LCA project at all, but is "pretty sure" that the radar on board LSP-3 is NOT AESA. Personally I consider her to be very reliable as she has been on the dot so far.

certainly that is an interesting bit about the dhruv. thanks.

as for the LCA MMR, no surprise there IMO. this radar from LRDE has been in the work for 13 years now. they had a problem with processor unit heard in hushed voices!! that is where the israelis came in with the proccessor that they use in their EL-2032 radar unit. there were IIRC integration issues with the rest of the indian system, which is why, it took some time. IIRC this has been in testing phases for some time now.

the 2032 is used in our Sea Harrier fleet and reliable and proven. hope our MMR lives upto it.

good that finally it is on. speaks volumes for indian minds on the project!!! also a grateful thanks for our israeli friends is in order.

hopefully the Mark 2 version of LCA will sport AESA!! israeli, indian or joint is the question.

great news in the last couple of months pouring in from DRDO/HAL/ADA etc.. too good to beleive really.

 

[enlightened1]

Yeah that appears to be the most likely scenario now..but even then the media said that the MMR was Israeli..surely it can't be called one if there is a certain amount of Indian effort too in it.=omg=
I hope we have an official confirmation from DRDO soon to clear it once for all ;(

 

[nrj]

Discussion continues from - ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions


What does this statement supposed to mean? NLCA will use the engine that will be winner of engine competition till then testing will carry on existing engines

That statement simply meant, the Naval LCA prototypes NP-1 (which essentially appears to be PV5 being double seater) & NP-2 will be fitted with GE404.
NLCA (LCA MK-2) can't be reality unless engine is selected but till then development can't be suspended so prototypes will fly with existing GE404 engine.

Source:
http://www.india-defence.com/reports/4480
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas#GE_F404
http://knol.google.com/k/lca-tejas#LCA_Naval_Variant

Well can you point out the reports which supports your claims

What i claimed was -

With F35 in major navies inventory, IN looks for the equivalent 5th Gen fighter for the follow up from IAC-2.

NLCA has space on Gorky & IAC-1 only with Mig-29k being the front line.

Following makes my claims, known reports -

Navy has issued an RFI (request for information) to several global aviation majors, including American Boeing, French Dassault and Russian MiG companies, for 'an alternate deck-based aircraft'.

IAC-I was also supposed to operate the naval Tejas. ''But now, Navy is also exploring other options for both IAC-I and II,''

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...for-aircraft-carriers/articleshow/5265661.cms

The Indian Navy has floated a Request for Information (RFI) for a newer generation of aircraft which can operate from the two indigenous aircraft carriers it will commission over the next 10 years.

http://beta.thehindu.com/business/article53220.ece

Now along with 40+ MIG-29K, limited no. of Sea Harriers and Unknown number of Newer Generation aircrafts, how many NLCA will our Carriers (around max 50,000 tons) will be able to operate?

IAC1 will operate a mix of MiG-29K and HAL Tejas.On 18 January 2010,it was reported that India and Russia were close to signing a deal for 29 Mig 29k fighters to operate from IAC1.

IAC2 could have a CATOBAR layout, because IN showed interest in the new US Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System. Among the five aircraft for which the Indian Navy has sent Requests for Information (RFI) are the F-35C, the F/A-18E/F, Eurofighter Typhoon and France's Dassault Aviation for the Rafale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant_class_aircraft_carrier#Aircraft

IN will receive minimum 45 MIG-29K as ordered, making it inevitably front-line of INS Vikramaditya.

INS Vikrant (IAC-1) will almost definitely be inaugurated with a flight of MiG-29Ks as its commissioning deck birds rather than the Naval Light Combat Aircraft. [An old Livefist report here ]

IAC-1 will no doubt have NLCA depending on the delay in NLCA development & its carrier worthiness. This worthiness will be secured when NLCA will be tested on INS Vikramaditya, which is delayed for till 2014. Delay in Gorky is another factor for postponing of NLCA.

Let me point here - Though NLCA will start its prototype (NP-2) testing on INS Hansa (Shore based facility) from JAN 2011, the actual carrier testing can't be skipped. Which obviously makes MIG-29K flying from our carriers with regular operations before NLCA.

Out of context but it is not denied that Sea harriers will not be operating from INS Vikramaditya or IAC. Sea Harriers will continue to be in IN's carrier arm/Land base fighters till 2023.

IN primary purpose out of fighter acquisition is essentially to strengthen Carriers.

IN wants to operate 300 aircrafts in its Air Arm but which is long term goal.
These 300 aircrafts could comprise who knows PAK FA, LCA, AMCA or any other. These all could or could not operate from carrier. Fighters flying from carriers is the current requirement.


I am not criticizing N-LCA program. Development of N-LCA is essential if IN want to operate indigenous fighters in future.
But in the current scenario N-LCA operating from IN carriers doesn't look to comprise bulk.

 

[notinlove]

its not even a pesa .. but a mechanically scanned radar??

 

[nitesh]

mrj frankly speaking I was arguing on the number 18-20 well you don't have any credible story to put in which confirms the numbers as were thrown upon as I said previously we are getting in to massive speculation exercise by throwing the numbers

 

[rapidkiss]

Feel like that the most important thing is to have something serving in the Air Force first. No matter how advanced an air plane is, it is always not as good as the one flying and protecting the land. Better gear can be added. But the first step, an airplane which passes all the existing requirements, is more than anything else. Cheers.

 

[Sridhar]

Tejas LSP-3 was carrying Hybrid MMR radar

BY: IDRW NEWS NETWORK
Its now almost confirmed that the Radar carried by Tejas LSP-3 is a Hybrid version of Elta's 2032 radar ,with Indian Inputs , Most of the inputs by India in this new Hybrid are most from the local MMR radar which was in development for a while now , but the Israeli 2032 back end processor unit has been used for the radar , new HYBRID MMR was flight tested in Israel in a Boeing Test Bed and as per sources few have been deleivered to Indian Labs which will it intergrate it with other LSP aircraft's .
Next aircraft LSP-4 which has already conducted its ground trials and soon radar will be integrated and the first test is expected within a month or two and then followed by LSP-5 which is also almost ready , all aircraft's will have a radar and soon LSP-1/2 will also be pulled put of test flying to be integrated with all the other avionics package and auto pilot with radars

http://idrw.org/?p=1430

 

[nrj]

mrj frankly speaking I was arguing on the number 18-20 well you don't have any credible story to put in which confirms the numbers as were thrown upon as I said previously we are getting in to massive speculation exercise by throwing the numbers

And frankly speaking I am talking about number NLCA carried by IN carriers not all produced by HAL.

In fact NLCA program has nothing credible itself as of yet so I am not coming with story, I'm pointing out type of fighters carried by IN carriers. IN has not confirmed numbers so who am I to make story?

As reflected in my earlier post links, I am talking about IN's future carrier based fighters & not speculating. All these reports steadily conclude that NLCA won't be frontline fighter on future carriers.


Within couple of years we will see the situation so it will speak for it self. Till then lets pray GOD shines its divine light on NLCA gifting it engine & carrier testing before any carrier commissions. LMAO

 

[maomao]

hey any final words on IOC? and what about Proper weapons testing and testing of radar, avionics etc testing in tandem? any idea?

 

[SATISH]

Weapon testing kicked off the day dumb bombs and litening equipped LSP 3 took to air. now it is BVR missile testing and gun firing that is remaining.

 

[nitesh]

And frankly speaking I am talking about number NLCA carried by IN carriers not all produced by HAL.

In fact NLCA program has nothing credible itself as of yet so I am not coming with story, I'm pointing out type of fighters carried by IN carriers. IN has not confirmed numbers so who am I to make story?

As reflected in my earlier post links, I am talking about IN's future carrier based fighters & not speculating. All these reports steadily conclude that NLCA won't be frontline fighter on future carriers.


Within couple of years we will see the situation so it will speak for it self. Till then lets pray GOD shines its divine light on NLCA gifting it engine & carrier testing before any carrier commissions. LMAO

nrj the report you posted doesn't conclude the numbers (if i missed some concrete number please correct me) so i request you to stop throwin the numbers which you conclude as your personal opinion.

 

[drkrn]

hiii to all

i am new to this forum

is lca a 4th generation aircraft or 4.5 generation aircraft

why other country people always go on a blame game when its better than many aircfts like mig-21?

when a mig 21 can bring down a pakistani naval plane why other people still call it a crap?

in what way is it inferior to j-10, regarding armment advanced avionics,speed ,stealth,operability,thrust vectoring capabiliteis....etc

pls clarify my doubts thank you

 

[SATISH]

hiii to all

i am new to this forum

is lca a 4th generation aircraft or 4.5 generation aircraft

why other country people always go on a blame game when its better than many aircfts like mig-21?

when a mig 21 can bring down a pakistani naval plane why other people still call it a crap?

in what way is it inferior to j-10, regarding armment advanced avionics,speed ,stealth,operability,thrust vectoring capabiliteis....etc

pls clarify my doubts thank you

Well J 10 is a Medium Combat aircraft and falls in the 10 ton to 20 ton category. So LCA cant be compared with J 10 as it is a larger aircraft. Yes the MiG 21 is WAS a very good aircraft, but all good things must come to an end and its time to retire those old birds. In my account the LCA is a 4th generation aircraft as it was envsaged at that time. Opinions are like arseholes when it comes to grouping aircrafts in generations.

 

[nandu]

hiii to all

i am new to this forum

is lca a 4th generation aircraft or 4.5 generation aircraft

why other country people always go on a blame game when its better than many aircfts like mig-21?

when a mig 21 can bring down a pakistani naval plane why other people still call it a crap?

in what way is it inferior to j-10, regarding armment advanced avionics,speed ,stealth,operability,thrust vectoring capabiliteis....etc

pls clarify my doubts thank you

LCA is 4.5 generation aircraft.
Mig 21 is good aircraft but it has passed its planned lifespan
LCA is superior to J-10 in every respect like avionics,armanent etc