ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[ersakthivel]

Why LSP-2 is highest flown LCA

·2977th flight on 30 July

TD1 : 233

PV1: 245

PV3: 387

LSP1: 74

LSP3-257

LSP5: 285

TD2 : 305

PV2: 222

PV5: 110

LSP2: 314

LSP4: 167

LSP7: 146

NP1: 43

LSP8 : 145

PV6: 34

NP2: 10

Do you ask your Dad ,"Why you are older than me"? type of questions?!?!?!?

Answer is simple. LSP 2 was produced eons before LSp-3 , LSP-4, LSP-5,7,8,

 

[aero_sp]

Do you ask your Dad ,"Why you are older than me"? type of questions?!?!?!?

Answer is simple. LSP 2 was produced eons before LSp-3 , LSP-4, LSP-5,7,8,

I did not expect such language from you. I am sorry.


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[Kharavela]

Do you ask your Dad ,"Why you are older than me"? type of questions?!?!?!?

Answer is simple. LSP 2 was produced eons before LSp-3 , LSP-4, LSP-5,7,8,

I did not expect such language from you. I am sorry.

Take it in a lighter vein. I am sure @ersakthivel never intended to hurt @Abhishek Shrivastava .

 

[Yumdoot]

I was lamenting one more wasted day so decided why not share it with some of you guys. After all misery loves company.

 

[Kharavela]

Tejas would meet our requirements: Indian Air Force chief


Pinning hope on India's indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft, the Indian Air Force chief, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, on Thursday was optimistic that the jet, developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) would would meet requirements of the force.

"Obviously, the Tejas is a very good bet because we need to go indigenous. It may not be best in the world but obviously it will meet some of our requirements," Raha told journalists after reviewing the security scenario in the northeast with commanders from the Eastern Air Command here.

"We want them in large quantities and larger numbers so plan are afoot to improve its quality is likely more and produce them in larger numbers some more to fill the void that the IAF has more or likely to have it in the future as the legacy fleets get decommissioned and therefore, Tejas will be one of our mainstay," he said.

"Towards that I think Make in India or indigenous production is what the government of the country is taking of so there will be a lot of fast tracking in this directions to have Make in India projects to replace these aircraft will make sense," he said.

On the Rafale deal, Raha said all plans are in place and a lot of activity is on for new acquisitions to replace the ageing fleet of the Indian Air Force.

"Everybody knows about that there are issues with the legacies of some of the fleet and they need to be replaced. Obviously they cannot carry on for too long. So, all the plans are in place...for new acquisitions to replace the older aircraft," he said.

Stating that there were various reasons the deal for 126 MMCRA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) could not fructify, Raha said the government had taken the decision to acquire 36 Rafale jets in flyaway condition after commitments were made at the highest level in France and India.

"I am very hopeful that it will be through much faster than the normal process," he said.

Noting that the Eastern Air Command is a priority area, Raha admitted that in the past few decades, the Indian Air Force had been concentrating more on the western theatre.

"A lot of infrastructure and assets has come up in those areas and we are quite well off in terms of our capability. But the eastern part of the country did not get as much attention it deserved. Therefore, we had some gaps in our capability but all of you know there is a lot of work (to be done) in this regard to bring up our capability," he said.


http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ts-indian-air-force-chief-115081301927_1.html

 

[Pulkit]

NIce article on Tejas....
Must Read
http://iamyouth.me/why-tejas/

 

[3The Crossbow]

Tejas would meet our requirements: Indian Air Force chief


Pinning hope on India's indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft, the Indian Air Force chief, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, on Thursday was optimistic that the jet, developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) would would meet requirements of the force.

"Obviously, the Tejas is a very good bet because we need to go indigenous. It may not be best in the world but obviously it will meet some of our requirements," Raha told journalists after reviewing the security scenario in the northeast with commanders from the Eastern Air Command here.

"We want them in large quantities and larger numbers so plan are afoot to improve its quality is likely more and produce them in larger numbers some more to fill the void that the IAF has more or likely to have it in the future as the legacy fleets get decommissioned and therefore, Tejas will be one of our mainstay," he said.

"Towards that I think Make in India or indigenous production is what the government of the country is taking of so there will be a lot of fast tracking in this directions to have Make in India projects to replace these aircraft will make sense," he said.

On the Rafale deal, Raha said all plans are in place and a lot of activity is on for new acquisitions to replace the ageing fleet of the Indian Air Force.

"Everybody knows about that there are issues with the legacies of some of the fleet and they need to be replaced. Obviously they cannot carry on for too long. So, all the plans are in place...for new acquisitions to replace the older aircraft," he said.

Stating that there were various reasons the deal for 126 MMCRA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) could not fructify, Raha said the government had taken the decision to acquire 36 Rafale jets in flyaway condition after commitments were made at the highest level in France and India.

"I am very hopeful that it will be through much faster than the normal process," he said.

Noting that the Eastern Air Command is a priority area, Raha admitted that in the past few decades, the Indian Air Force had been concentrating more on the western theatre.

"A lot of infrastructure and assets has come up in those areas and we are quite well off in terms of our capability. But the eastern part of the country did not get as much attention it deserved. Therefore, we had some gaps in our capability but all of you know there is a lot of work (to be done) in this regard to bring up our capability," he said.


http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ts-indian-air-force-chief-115081301927_1.html

'It is not the best but the government had decided to make in India so that's the way to go.' this is what he meant.. with no other option.

This is a remarkable shift from earlier air chief marshals statements and conduct. Though i am not in favor of going for a single engine tejas and will be better if we consider a tried and tested airframe of rafale or mig 29 copied as a small twin engine jet which is easier to maintain with Indian avionics developed for tejas.

If the previous air chief marshals and gov had been a little considerate and futuristic this decision could have saved billions and at the same time increase the capability. lca is not the way to go for tejas but a twin engine compact jet is.

LCA/Tejas is no doubt can be a great trainer and aircraft to rely during peace time due to its less operating cost but not in a full fledge war. Also we shall acquire 400+ jet made in India so that when we have to launch a full fledge war the indian industry is able to make more planes and supply spares to make the majority of fleet operating and compensate the atrition.

As new age modern war is not going to last months or for year. if we remember from 1971 strike hard the first time so the enemy is gone or else 1999 or 1965 /47 will be repeated which only prolong the war making international powers mediate between resulting in no gain.

IAF shall prepare on the line to be able to lanch hell on pakistan in a quick session to give Indian army a headstart so that they can regain punjab and kashmir from pak. this can be achieved by fighters like rafale . but the latter is very costly to be utilised in numbers of 200 - 300. my view is make a new airframe with indian avionics and then we can use indian avionics or israeli to make it better.

instead of buying the whole new plane and depending on france we could have instead bought foreign radar and stuff which we cannot produce in India. i like china approach in this they started this approach decades back and now are able to produce j 10 j 11 j 15 and j 20 like aircrafts.

IAF shall encourage hal to buy majority shares in saab ask drdo/ada to compete with new alliance of hal with pvt sector coming in so that at the same time different aircrafts are in competition resulting in best.

In short amca is years away let tejas mk1 be improved drop mk2 and bring a tein engine mrca but then its not going to happen but my hope lies on hal buying saab i wish it happens.

At the end India is not about an organization called ada or drdo we are indians and want indigenous and best for iaf. We want private sector to come in right so why not buy saab with FDI of 49 % and sweden's not so great economic condition we can have some leverage and usa will support such takeover too as they want american dominance in europe and a strong india is n their favor to contain china unless they are ready to spend billions again considering their deterioting economic condition and rising debt. This will also make india less dependent on russia which is good for usa. So all thing in our favor today i o not understand where do we have charismatic leaders who can do it for us.

 

[3The Crossbow]

I was lamenting one more wasted day so decided why not share it with some of you guys. After all misery loves company.

PAF is not going to welcome tejas to just come and go if they do not have enough firepower to shatter them. plus they have to go and come back right in such cases it is always best to have twin engine jets with more range fuel and capability. in war like situation it is common to see engine failure as you cannot make the airbases as clean as in normal peace scenario. considering the climate of western front tejas can be used as a point defense aircraft and will not be sent deep inside a enemy territory unless there is a full fledge do or die situation or we are launching a big first strike with overwhelming no. of tejas against them which catch the enemy by surprise.

 

[tejas warrior]

Friends, any news on refueling probe & cone ? When they r coming ?

And what is the status of other IOC standard LCA under production.. are we getting anything ready this year from HAL ?

 

[R.parida]

Tejas Cleared for exports by Ministry of Defence
http://idrw.org/big-ticket-items-li...s-cleared-for-exports-by-ministry-of-defence/

Good for profit making HAL. Hope they will try to sell to Mynmar, Vietnam ... instead of chasing IAF to go for more MK1+

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

when people speak of sending fighters deep in enemy teritoory and they also speak of sending it deep in pakistan and say tejas cant go deep in pakistan

to those people i have a question

1. have they ever taken a map and studied how much depth is there in pakistan ?

2. if Tejs are based at amritsar, etc forward bases in J&K Punjab Rajasthan Gujarat (kutch) what will be its area of coverage inside pakistan within tejas's combat radius ?

3. wether all military targets are covered within Tejas's combat radius if based on forward bases or not ?

find an answer to the above questions and then you will know wether tejas can be sent deeeeppp inside pakistan or not

 

[salute]

Tejas Cleared for exports by Ministry of Defence
http://idrw.org/big-ticket-items-li...s-cleared-for-exports-by-ministry-of-defence/

Good for profit making HAL. Hope they will try to sell to Mynmar, Vietnam ... instead of chasing IAF to go for more MK1+

they made hard efforts to make a good aircraft,
full of ioc and foc and hundreds of hours of flying before induction,

first for iaf which is important for making more squadrons,but now thinking that iaf is not so much interested in lca mk.1 which is good but with limited capabilities,
they more interested in mk.2 or amca, medium level aircraft,

and second for export,but thats about india reputation in international market,
so they wanted a good aircraft for export on which no one gonna question about its quality,
india wants to present itself a good tech manufacturer not like china.

 

[akshay m]

Saurav Jha says

#LCA update 1: The first new nose cone and bolt on IFR probe have been delivered by Cobham. Nose cone integration underway.
#LCA update 2: The other two nose cones are expected to be delivered by the end of next month. Three aircraft will be used to test it.
#LCA update 3: HAL says SP-2 will fly next month. Says will deliver four aircraft by March 2016.
#LCA update 4: HAL says that it will build 8 SPs in 2016-17.Their credibility is on the line.
#LCA Update 4: IAF and ADA are both of the view that HAL will receive 1A, orders if it can at least deliver the first 40 aircraft by 2018.
#LCA update 5: 2016 is going to be a crucial year. if HAL can ramp up production, its case for further order of Mk-1 variants will prevail.
#LCA update 6: Nose cone qualification for FOC will be completed by year end. IFR will take longer. Race to March 2016 deadline is on.

 

[Immanuel]

Normally now, after integration of these, we can expect BVR trials to begin towards mid Q-4. BVR/WVR missiles first I-Derby-ER, Python-5, R-77. I wonder which other missiles will be tested, we certainly need missiles like KH-31 A/P, KH-35, KH-59 to be tested on the Tejas.

 

[3The Crossbow]

Friends, any news on refueling probe & cone ? When they r coming ?

And what is the status of other IOC standard LCA under production.. are we getting anything ready this year from HAL ?

As per HAL 20 Ioc standard jet will be delived by 2017-18. they have offered IAF to improve tejas mk1 to tejas mk 1 A / P by removing the excess weight abt 1 tonne.

Cone for 3 jet is already arrived while by august end they will be fitted with

when people speak of sending fighters deep in enemy teritoory and they also speak of sending it deep in pakistan and say tejas cant go deep in pakistan

to those people i have a question

1. have they ever taken a map and studied how much depth is there in pakistan ?

2. if Tejs are based at amritsar, etc forward bases in J&K Punjab Rajasthan Gujarat (kutch) what will be its area of coverage inside pakistan within tejas's combat radius ?

3. wether all military targets are covered within Tejas's combat radius if based on forward bases or not ?

find an answer to the above questions and then you will know wether tejas can be sent deeeeppp inside pakistan or not

i just assumed that the question is directed towards me though i will appreciate if you can refer in the beginning for ease my friend.

Yes i do understand the range of Tejas as said by HAL and the depth of pak.

first of all in the pic posted it was funny to see that tejas will be deployed against china for deep strike role.

whatever we may say to IAF but truth is IAF did more than they can for tejas to make it a success do you think a jet which will come after 40 years+ years and will take till 2030 to be delivered can be inducted by IAF.

and if there would have been slightest chance that tejas can be used to complete 80 % of rafale mission then IAF would prefer tejas not foreign jet. this is a misconception that iaf wants fancy toys no.. they want realistic toy. they do understand the pain of having jets with no spares to make them function and that is why they always asked drdo and hal if they can provide them atleast trainer jet. but hal failed in even that

for those who think entering into a enemy territory and do the role of strike fighter is simple math then it is not. one should understand when a ferry range/combat range of a jet is told it provides range at standard condition but when a jet actually fly in enemy territory we must understand enemy airforce is not there to watch you so that you can blow some diwali crackers in the sky.you will consume more fuel while trying to out run the radars
which means using turbofan engines which drastically reduce the range.

tejas will need to outperform the enemy jets and missiles aimed at it. and if it encounters one or two jet and even managed to hit them out still the fuel consumption in that case will be so much that the jet will not be able to complete the mission and those are big if as on the other side we will face f-16 and jf-17 and soon j-10 . and tejas may be a great tech demonstrator but not upto the par yet.

anyhow drdo hal cleared the air saying they cannot make it by 2022.

 

[R.parida]

As per HAL 20 Ioc standard jet will be delived by 2017-18. they have offered IAF to improve tejas mk1 to tejas mk 1 A / P by removing the excess weight abt 1 tonne.

Cone for 3 jet is already arrived while by august end they will be fitted with




i just assumed that the question is directed towards me though i will appreciate if you can refer in the beginning for ease my friend.

Yes i do understand the range of Tejas as said by HAL and the depth of pak.

first of all in the pic posted it was funny to see that tejas will be deployed against china for deep strike role.

whatever we may say to IAF but truth is IAF did more than they can for tejas to make it a success do you think a jet which will come after 40 years+ years and will take till 2030 to be delivered can be inducted by IAF.

and if there would have been slightest chance that tejas can be used to complete 80 % of rafale mission then IAF would prefer tejas not foreign jet. this is a misconception that iaf wants fancy toys no.. they want realistic toy. they do understand the pain of having jets with no spares to make them function and that is why they always asked drdo and hal if they can provide them atleast trainer jet. but hal failed in even that

for those who think entering into a enemy territory and do the role of strike fighter is simple math then it is not. one should understand when a ferry range/combat range of a jet is told it provides range at standard condition but when a jet actually fly in enemy territory we must understand enemy airforce is not there to watch you so that you can blow some diwali crackers in the sky.you will consume more fuel while trying to out run the radars
which means using turbofan engines which drastically reduce the range.

tejas will need to outperform the enemy jets and missiles aimed at it. and if it encounters one or two jet and even managed to hit them out still the fuel consumption in that case will be so much that the jet will not be able to complete the mission and those are big if as on the other side we will face f-16 and jf-17 and soon j-10 . and tejas may be a great tech demonstrator but not upto the par yet.

anyhow drdo hal cleared the air saying they cannot make it by 2022.

if you will see closely .. Nobody was talking about Teajs going for deep strike role in China rather the experess way G219 but Yes Tejas can certainly out maneovur JF-17 deep inside Pakistan and come back. we have to see it in displacement not in distance..

 

[blue marlin]

Pakistan did noting. Its all Chines.

By this logic, you can say SU-30 MKIs as Indian.

firstly the jft is 54% pakistani. pakistan played a vital part in determining its characteristics.

the su30 mki is a Russian jet licensed to be build in india by HAL

 

[Punya Pratap]

UK based Company “Cobham” finally delivers quartz radome and in-flight refueling probe for LCA-Tejas
Published August 20, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK (INN)

Cobham U.K as finally handed over newly designed quartz radome and in-flight refueling probe for integration with LCA-Tejas MK-1 to speed up its final operational clearance (FOC) which due to non-supplies already has been pushed back to March 2016.

New quartz radome developed by Cobham will replace Composite radome of Indian make to increase the detection range of the Indo-Israeli developed Hybrid ELTA MMR Radar from 50 Kms to 80 plus Km which currently are been used on Tejas MK-I aircrafts.

Cobham U.K were awarded Contract to supply New quartz radome and in-flight refueling probe in early 2014 , which missed multiple deadlines due to which FOC certification for Tejas MK-1 had to be postponed to March 2016 from its December deadline of this year.

Defence Analyst believe that radome integration and testing will begin soon and can be completed in next few weeks, but Integration of IFR probe might take few months since it involves Structural changes but sources close to idrw.org in past have confirmed that fuel pumping and fuel lines have already been installed in all last batch of LSP (Limited Series Production LCA) and SP ( Series Production LCA) aircrafts in anticipation of integrating IFR probes at later stage.

But Mid-air testing of IFR probes, where aircraft receives aviation fuel from the Refuelling tanker aircraft while in flight is not only a time-consuming process but requires months of preparations, which might again delay FOC process unless HAL is able to integrate in-flight refueling probes in multiple LCA aircrafts, to speed up the testing process.

Indian and Israeli team of engineers are closely currently working on Integrating Israeli developed within visual range (WVR) air-to-air Python-V missile and Beyond Visual Range (BVR) air-to-air Derby missile in LCA Tejas aircrafts in Bangalore and DRDO plans to carry out first weapons trials in next few months, which are also important requirements of the final operational clearance (FOC) certification process required to be cleared by Tejas MK-1.

 

[Blackwater]

firstly the jft is 54% pakistani. pakistan played a vital part in determining its characteristics.

the su30 mki is a Russian jet licensed to be build in india by HAL

can u pls explain which part is pakistani??

su30 is all russian end of story. Lets talk JF-17

 

[cannonfodder]

can u pls explain which part is pakistani??

su30 is all russian end of story. Lets talk JF-17

Green paint sir jee..
Pakistan has also invented water car