respecting the mods, am answering Armand's post in the MCA/NGFA thread.
Do I need to read and article about a fighter whose capabilities only exist on paper compared to a combat proven workhorse? I think not...
apply the same logic to every link you post for others to read. besides LCA is not a paper plane.
So... ADA has failed to make an MMR. You can't skip a step and go to AESA if you don't know how to make a multi-mode PESA.
you seem to be an authority on everything under the sun!!
"delay" is not equal to
"failure". yesterday i was saying LSP-3 will fly any day now. i am happy with today's news that it has flown or flying today. am sure you would not have missed it? would you?
it does not matter even if it is israeli joint collaboration. we will reach there in due course. so don't worry.
also -
MMR HYBRID : Another critical technology area tackled for indigenous development by the ADA team is the Tejas' Multi-Mode Radar (MMR). It was initially planned for the LCA to use the Ericsson Microwave Systems PS-05/A I/J-band multi-function radar, which was developed by Ericsson and Ferranti Defence Systems Integration for the Saab JAS-39 Gripen. However, after examining other radars in the early 1990s, the DRDO became confident that indigenous development was possible. HAL's Hyderabad division and the LRDE were selected to jointly lead the MMR program; it is unclear exactly when the design work was initiated, but the radar development effort began in 1997.
http://www.lca-tejas.org/avionics.html
13 years up till now. compare it with "experienced french" in bringing RDY 2 to fruition below.
Our AESA is in full scale production with 60 units ordered, where is yours?
ohhh... hold on!!
"operational" is the word. read below now -
The radars will be installed on the aircraft in 2011 for delivery to the French Air Force early in 2012. The successful tests are the latest in a long line of key milestones. Thales began developing an AESA radar demonstrator in the 1990s and conducted exploratory tests at the flight test centre in 2002 and 2003 to refine the concept. In 2004, the French defence procurement agency DGA backed the project with a contract to develop a prototype of an operational active-module radar.
http://www.thalesgroup.com/Press_Re...r_successfully_completes_new_series_of_tests/
2012 it is
if everyhting goes smooth.
Lets see, RDI started production in 1987 and ended 1996. RDY-2 started production in 1997 and fielded in 1999. Hard to say the exact dates of development but it looks like 3 years, maybe four. The M2000 family of radars share many features but RDY-2 was a major leap forward from the previous classes thanks to the improved architecture of the Rafale MPDU. It wasn't hard making RDY-2 when we were making the superior RBE2 in conjunction.
RDY Radar
Central to the upgraded multirole capability of the Dash 5 is the RDY radar developed by Thomson-CSF/Detexis. Development of the RDY radar began in 1984 and the programme proceeded smoothly. In July 1987 the first of nine prototypes took to the air in a Falcon 20, and seven years later in December 1994, Thomson-CSF were able to deliver the first production standard set. RDY is the result of Thomson-CSF´s experience gained from producing four generations of fighter radar, in particular the RDI radar -the first Pulse Doppler radar developed by Thomson-CSF.
http://www.mirage-jet.com/Variants/DASH5/RDY/rdy.htm
does it tally with what you wrote??? going by your "1999 fielded" assertion it took 15 years!!!
this with vast previous experience!! you are utterly wrong and blinded by french superiority. why don't you keep your french pride to your self and look at others objectively??
There weren't many delays or incapabilities. The programme went smoothly and evolved many times to update a good solid fighter. It isn't so hard for France to build the latest standard in avionics, Thales makes world class systems the envy of the world. It can do so because it has built the foundation as one of the world's leading defence companies. It isn't run by bureaucrats that place inefficient management and isn't held accountable, it is a leading global competitor accountable to its shareholders.
i am not questioning any of it. infact i myself admire french systems which i made clear in my previous posts. you were the one who jumped in to bash DRDO, LCA and its MMR and the engine.
2011 they will be flying with Elta MMRs, not Indian.
my answer was to your
"indian operational fighter" in your previous post. why are you bringing MMR again??
gripen also has selex radar and an american engine. does it mean they are no good??
But you aren't dealing with any of the problems. When you screw up your engines you call in Snecma. When you screw up your radar you call Elta. If you can't solve your problems without outsourcing, you won't ever develop the core competencies.
that is called
pragmatism. do you think french do not depend on anybody for anything?
i have told you earlier about DRDO's tiny budgets, lack of requisite infra and india's own financial cruch in 80's and early 90's. instead of seeing things in perspective - you are bashing DRDO like many here.
even americans procured "LITENING" pods from israel initially. does it make USA less capable??
as i said we are marching and will reach there in both Radar and Engine technology in due time. so chill...
Yes, Tarang Mk2 failed. When you can't escape even one missile, you know it failed. There are more ways to defeat obsolete Russian SAMs than a jammer.
since this issue is already being discussed in detail in another thread, i don't want to touch it.
HAL has been in existence since 1940... what is your excuse?
well HAL is not part of DRDO. and LCA is ADA and drdo project.
HAL is only the manufacturer. as for as DRDO i told you they had to build everything from ground up and considering their past inexperience and lack of infra - delays are natural.
Should we feel bad about lack of money when GoI doesn't spend billions of dollars allocated in the defence budget? Too busy filling babus pockets? I don't know...
valid point. here the armed forces are also to blame. they don't spend the money allocated to them and return it every year and then cry!!
Early 2010 has come and gone, we are now entering mid-year.
it is connected to sarkozy's visit. when he visits probably he will sign both this and the mirage upgrade contract. only my guess.
I can make a list of their failures a mile long, please show me their success.
go to drdo.org. or drdo page on the wiki.
So is India reliant on foreign technologies that they can't accomplish anything under sanction? That is not what you want to hear for the case of indigenisation.
sanctions always brings challeges to surmount to the indian scientists. whether it is ISRO or DRDO, they have done it. sometimes sanctions help!!! =heheh
that apart, it is all give and take in the present world. where we can, we will rely on our own capabilities. where we can't it is obvious we have to procure.
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