ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[Kunal Biswas]

Lust and Lust for more and more ..

Foreign arms made India relay for there arms, hunger for power and money made many of our babus there tools..

Since Independence they have been looting tax-payer money and dumping that in there own country for there benefits, What we got ?

 

[Daredevil]

Delay in Manufacturing of Tejas by DRDO

It is a fact that there has been some delay in completion of project "Development of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Tejas". The aircraft is being manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).The project 'Development of LCA' was sanctioned in August 1983. Project Definition Phase (PDP) of LCA was completed in 1988. In 1990, a decision was taken to undertake LCA development in two phases. In the first phase to build 02 Technology Demonstrators (TDs) along with development of critical technologies including Multi Mode Radar (MMR) and in the second phase to build Prototype Vehicles, integrate weapons, sensors, and flight testing leading to Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) and Final Operational Clearance (FOC).

Details of Phase-I and Phase-II of LCA development is given below:-

Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) Phase-I of LCA
Date of Sanction : June 1993
Original Date of Completion : June 1998
Actual Date of Completion : March 2004
Overall objectives of Phase-I was achieved with completion of 202 flight tests (123 hrs : 49 min) on 03 LCAs).
Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) Phase-II of LCA
Date of Sanction : November 2001
Original Date of Completion : December 2008
Revised Date of Completion : March 2015

Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) was achieved in January 2011 and Full Operational Clearance is likely to be achieved in December 2014.

The LCA project, which though got delayed initially, is currently progressing on a fast track and is working on aggressive time schedules.

Productionisation of LCA is already going on. First series production aircraft is likely to be ready by the end of 2013. Indian Air Force has already placed order for 20 LCA in IOC configuration and another of 20 LCA in FOC configuration.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Motilal Vora in Rajya Sabha today.

Source: PIB

 

[Mariner HK]

BREAKING NEWS: EPIC FAIL!!! Delay in Manufacturing of Tejas by DRDO

Delay in Manufacturing of Tejas by DRDO
Published March 20, 2013 | By admin

SOURCE: PIB PR


It is a fact that there has been some delay in completion of project "Development of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Tejas". The aircraft is being manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).The project `Development of LCA` was sanctioned in August 1983. Project Definition Phase (PDP) of LCA was completed in 1988. In 1990, a decision was taken to undertake LCA development in two phases. In the first phase to build 02 Technology Demonstrators (TDs) along with development of critical technologies including Multi Mode Radar (MMR) and in the second phase to build Prototype Vehicles, integrate weapons, sensors, and flight testing leading to Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) and Final Operational Clearance (FOC).



Details of Phase-I and Phase-II of LCA development is given below:-

Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) Phase-I of LCA

Date of Sanction : June 1993

Original Date of Completion : June 1998

Actual Date of Completion : March 2004

Overall objectives of Phase-I was achieved with completion of 202 flight tests (123 hrs : 49 min) on 03 LCAs).

Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) Phase-II of LCA

Date of Sanction : November 2001

Original Date of Completion : December 2008

Revised Date of Completion : March 2015

Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) was achieved in January 2011 and Full Operational Clearance is likely to be achieved in December 2014.

The LCA project, which though got delayed initially, is currently progressing on a fast track and is working on aggressive time schedules.

Productionisation of LCA is already going on. First series production aircraft is likely to be ready by the end of 2013. Indian Air Force has already placed order for 20 LCA in IOC configuration and another of 20 LCA in FOC configuration.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Motilal Vorain Rajya Sabha today.​

Why no one held responsible for putting india's security and life of mig 21 and mig series pilot's life at risk?Its worst than terrorism ....

 

[Blackwater]

Re: BREAKING NEWS: EPIC FAIL!!! Delay in Manufacturing of Tejas by DRD

Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) was achieved in January 2011 and Full Operational Clearance is likely to be achieved in December 2014.


dont worry it will pass this dead line also

 

[Mariner HK]

Lust and Lust for more and more ..

Foreign arms made India relay for there arms, hunger for power and money made many of our babus there tools..

Since Independence they have been looting tax-payer money and dumping that in there own country for there benefits, What we got ?

India is like NO MAN's LAND... any one can do wat ever they want ... Thanks Madam Ji.. please convince Italy should atleast change one of it city's name into Kick Back India.. to respect the amount of mony stashed away by it....

 

[shom]

@Kunal Biswas post in the following link, regarding RCS reduction techniques employed on Tejas were also the same ones employed on RAFALE and typhoon.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/18521-ada-tejas-lca-iii-242.html

The same techniques used in Typhoon and RAFALE for RCS reductions like ram coatings and radar scattering air frame design along with shielded engine blades were also used in Tejas.
RFALE and Typhoon which have a much larger body width and extra Radar reflection objects with canard placement. Also ADA chief Subramanium once said that tejas has the lowest RCs among 4th gen planes , excluding the stealth 5th gen planes.
SO tejas will have a comparable RCS figure . It will not be 2 sq met or 3 sq met as you posted is my opinion. However we should wait for official confirmation.

Now that is a research ,,, thnxxx mate ,,, to all fellow members who have seen my post or seeing them just ignore the points and then see the value of RCS mentioned by me,,, Sorry for the mistake as I am a student of arts didnt knew about the units and values ,, just saw it in a post and copied it am sorry for the inconvenience:innocent:

 

[Bhadra]

Lust and Lust for more and more ..

Foreign arms made India relay for there arms, hunger for power and money made many of our babus there tools..

Since Independence they have been looting tax-payer money and dumping that in there own country for there benefits, What we got ?

Who is at fault if not the rulers, babus and then money guzzling DREDOs

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its the other way around..

The amount is not even 25% what MOD and your so call babus are offering to foreign arms dealer..

money guzzling DREDOs

 

[navkapu]

There is a Arms Procurement Mafia DRDO does stuff as per requirements .....requirements are made by looking what is available in the market today ..... infinite loop for DRDO. kill the Mafia rest everything will fall in place. Most of the Requirements are cut and paste job from a Vendors Specification and mostly end up buying bad quality stuff as the manufacturer of bad quality stuff can offer more under the table..........

Its the other way around..

The amount is not even 25% what MOD and your so call babus are offering to foreign arms dealer..

 

[Defcon 1]

LCA-Tejas has Completed 2106 Test Flights successfully.(20-Mar-2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-354,LSP1-74,LSP2-258,PV5-36,LSP3-121,LSP4-70,LSP5-153,LSP7-34,NP1-4)

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LCA-Tejas has Completed 2084 Test Flights successfully.(11-Mar-2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-353,LSP1-74,LSP2-258,PV5-36,LSP3-113,LSP4-68,LSP5-147,LSP7-29,NP1-4)

 

[ersakthivel]

Details of Phase-I and Phase-II of LCA development is given below:-

Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) Phase-I of LCA

Date of Sanction : June 1993
Original Date of Completion : June 1998
Actual Date of Completion : March 2004
Overall objectives of Phase-I was achieved with completion of 202 flight tests (123 hrs : 49 min) on 03 LCAs).
Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) Phase-II of LCA
Date of Sanction : November 2001
Original Date of Completion : December 2008
Revised Date of Completion : March 2015
Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) was achieved in January 2011 and Full Operational Clearance is likely to be achieved in December 2014.

 

[ersakthivel]

Details of Phase-I and Phase-II of LCA development is given below:-

Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) Phase-I of LCA

Date of Sanction : June 1993
Original Date of Completion : June 1998
Actual Date of Completion : March 2004
Overall objectives of Phase-I was achieved with completion of 202 flight tests (123 hrs : 49 min) on 03 LCAs).
Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) Phase-II of LCA
Date of Sanction : November 2001
Original Date of Completion : December 2008
Revised Date of Completion : March 2015
Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) was achieved in January 2011 and Full Operational Clearance is likely to be achieved in December 2014.

 

[manishhot]

what is use of LCA in 2015. by time its obsolete

 

[ersakthivel]

what is use of LCA in 2015. by time its obsolete

LCA will become obsolete when grippen NG becomes obsolete. So are you planning to write to SAAB to stop the wasteful R& D expenditure?

RAFALE and TYPOON started design phase in the 1970s.SO will they too become obsolete by 2015.

How can Tejas mk-2 which has bigger radar dia than grippen NG and almost the same RADAR dia as RAFALE firing the same 120 km Range METEOR missile becomes obsolete by 2015? By your logic all these fighters typhoon, grippen NG, RAFALE which are going to use the same METEOR will become obsolete by 2015!!!!

Why is china still producing sukhoi clones and J-10s which were of seventies vintage? Why is US Navy still producing F-18 super hornet?

Then what is the use of Sukhois and super sukhois which were designed in the eighties with an RCS ten times that of TEJAS LCA? Will they too become obsolete?

 

[arunpat]

Don't extend Tejas deadline, Antony tells DRDO


Defence Minister A. K. Antony Saturday asked the DRDO not to extend the date of final operational clearance of indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft beyond 2014 and said there was no substitute for self-reliance.

Inaugurating the 37th Directors' Conference of DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation) here, Antony said it will have to take the lead in achieving the goals of indigenisation.

An official press release said the minister asked DRDO to conclude at the earliest the unfinished projects which were in pipeline for a very long time.

In this connection, he drew the attention to the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) project and said DRDO must not extend further the date beyond 2014, set by the DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat, for the Final Operational Clearance of the Tejas for induction into the Indian Air Force,' the release said.

Antony asked the DRDO scientists to focus on priority areas and said ultimate test of success of the organisation lies in the satisfaction of the users – the three services.

Antony referred to 'some recent developments which have put the defence acquisition process under the scanner' and said 'such incidents highlight the need to look within and make us realise that there is absolutely no substitute to self-reliance'.

'If our indigenisation goals are to be realised, DRDO will have to take the lead in this regard. Other stakeholders, for instance, the services, the ministry of defence and private industry in the defence sector, too, must cooperate to ensure quick, honest and transparent acceptance of the systems,' Antony said.

He said all the stakeholders must meet at regular intervals to undertake periodic reviews and suggest corrective action.

The minister said both DRDO and the services must place more trust and confidence in each other's abilities and work with close synergy.

The concept of block acceptance and spiral development that is being followed in most leading countries of the world must be embraced after due deliberations and required changes,' Antony said.

Responding to the DRDO's request for an enhanced budget, Antony said allocation of funds will not be a constraint but at the same time, spending the money most judiciously and with transparency must be the watchword.

He said continuous funding would be required for research and development.But with more emphasis on indigenisation and self reliance, we would save a lot of money in the long run, although we might have to invest more to begin with,' he said.

He also complimented the top brass of DRDO for their achievements in recent years including Agni-5 and the BrahMos missile systems.The conference was also addressed by Minister of State for Defence Jitendra Singh and National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon.

Don’t extend Tejas deadline, Antony tells DRDO | idrw.org

 

[lcafanboy]

Re: HAL gears up for first flight of Tejas LSP-8 and LCA series produc

Its been more than 3 months now that we are listening that lca lsp 8 is completed and is being tested on ground but it has still not flown. all that we are hearing is that lca lsp will soon hit the sky, first it was to fly in jan then in feb and now it is end of march and it is still on ground. now i doubt if at all it is completed or there is some sertous problem with it and drdo to save themseleves since it is more than 1 year since lsp 7 flew are diverting attention by stating it is completed. All these people who are working on the lca project should be held responsible and action should be taken against these people by cancelling their holidays and mede to work non stop until they complete their work like they do so in private companies. Fire should be ignited below their asses so that they complete the work on time.

 

[lcafanboy]

Its been more than 3 months now that we are listening that lca lsp 8 is completed and is being tested on ground but it has still not flown. all that we are hearing is that lca lsp will soon hit the sky, first it was to fly in jan then in feb and now it is end of march and it is still on ground. now i doubt if at all it is completed or there is some sertous problem with it and drdo to save themseleves since it is more than 1 year since lsp 7 flew are diverting attention by stating it is completed. All these people who are working on the lca project should be held responsible and action should be taken against these people by cancelling their holidays and mede to work non stop until they complete their work like they do so in private companies. Fire should be ignited below their asses so that they complete the work on time.

 

[ersakthivel]

Don't extend Tejas deadline, Antony tells DRDO


Defence Minister A. K. Antony Saturday asked the DRDO not to extend the date of final operational clearance of indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft beyond 2014 and said there was no substitute for self-reliance.

Inaugurating the 37th Directors' Conference of DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation) here, Antony said it will have to take the lead in achieving the goals of indigenisation.

An official press release said the minister asked DRDO to conclude at the earliest the unfinished projects which were in pipeline for a very long time.

In this connection, he drew the attention to the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) project and said DRDO must not extend further the date beyond 2014, set by the DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat, for the Final Operational Clearance of the Tejas for induction into the Indian Air Force,' the release said.

Antony asked the DRDO scientists to focus on priority areas and said ultimate test of success of the organisation lies in the satisfaction of the users – the three services.

Antony referred to 'some recent developments which have put the defence acquisition process under the scanner' and said 'such incidents highlight the need to look within and make us realise that there is absolutely no substitute to self-reliance'.

'If our indigenisation goals are to be realised, DRDO will have to take the lead in this regard. Other stakeholders, for instance, the services, the ministry of defence and private industry in the defence sector, too, must cooperate to ensure quick, honest and transparent acceptance of the systems,' Antony said.

He said all the stakeholders must meet at regular intervals to undertake periodic reviews and suggest corrective action.

The minister said both DRDO and the services must place more trust and confidence in each other's abilities and work with close synergy.

The concept of block acceptance and spiral development that is being followed in most leading countries of the world must be embraced after due deliberations and required changes,' Antony said.

Responding to the DRDO's request for an enhanced budget, Antony said allocation of funds will not be a constraint but at the same time, spending the money most judiciously and with transparency must be the watchword.

He said continuous funding would be required for research and development.But with more emphasis on indigenisation and self reliance, we would save a lot of money in the long run, although we might have to invest more to begin with,' he said.

He also complimented the top brass of DRDO for their achievements in recent years including Agni-5 and the BrahMos missile systems.The conference was also addressed by Minister of State for Defence Jitendra Singh and National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon.

Don't extend Tejas deadline, Antony tells DRDO | idrw.org

Its been more than 3 months now that we are listening that lca lsp 8 is completed and is being tested on ground but it has still not flown. all that we are hearing is that lca lsp will soon hit the sky, first it was to fly in jan then in feb and now it is end of march and it is still on ground. now i doubt if at all it is completed or there is some sertous problem with it and drdo to save themseleves since it is more than 1 year since lsp 7 flew are diverting attention by stating it is completed. All these people who are working on the lca project should be held responsible and action should be taken against these people by cancelling their holidays and mede to work non stop until they complete their work like they do so in private companies. Fire should be ignited below their asses so that they complete the work on time.

All design works on LCA mk-1 are finished from ADA side. Now it is in HCL's hands to produce the fighters. The HAL is making completely obsolete russian and british fighters with 3rd gen tech till now.So it is finding it dificult to turn out the LCA at a fast pace. The production of LSP-8 or Sp-1 onwards is now in the hands of the HAL. HAL admitting it's difficulties in building a modern 4.5th gen fighter from scratch is looking for consultancy abroad for faster production.

So all responsibilities for producing LCA quickly rests on HAL's shoulders. A.K.Antony should have asked HAL to fast pace the production releasing funds for setting up a new modern dedicated assembly line for the production of LCA.

The last years delay was due to the issue of fuel line butting leading to fuel leaks and the issues with new HUD exceeding the height of pilot's seat making it dangerous in case of emergency ejection. These issues were resolved in all LSPs during the grounding of the entire LCA testing fleet for months and now there are no issues to be resolved on LCA mk-1.

Many top tech graduates are opting for MBAs and carreer abroad. Mr.A.K.Antony can set up a tcommittee to give comprehensive representation to stop this and make a section of these top tech graduates to join DRDO and Defence PSUs like HAl with some attractive compensation packages and incentives based on completing certain projects on time line.

because retaining these cream of engineers with in the country will go a long way in completion of projects on time.

Because in defence projects all the govt can do is to release the funds. Things ultimately rest on the quality of the technical people involved in the R&D projevts. Considering the enormous foriegn exchange savings that accrue to the country on competion of DRDO projects in time and immense strategic benefits it will be a very small cost to bear for the government.Also timely completion of projects should be made a criteria in promotion of middle level people further up.

The reason for the delays in IOC and FOC is to some extent ,the slow rate of production of LSps on HAl's part and delays in absorbing design changes suggested by ADA to HAL.

So the matter should be looked at as a whole and a team effort is required to speed up the production and attainment of FOC.

Igniting fire below their asses is the method of polpots and great "cultural revolutionaries" like MAO. it will only end up doing more harm than good.

 

[Defcon 1]

LCA-Tejas has Completed 2109 Test Flights successfully.(25-Mar-2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-356,LSP1-74,LSP2-258,PV5-36,LSP3-121,LSP4-71,LSP5-153,LSP7-34,NP1-4)

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LCA-Tejas has Completed 2106 Test Flights successfully.(20-Mar-2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-354,LSP1-74,LSP2-258,PV5-36,LSP3-121,LSP4-70,LSP5-153,LSP7-34,NP1-4)

 

[Kunal Biswas]

@ersakthivel,

Can you shed some light on ' What if LCA was equipped with TVC engine such as EJ-2000' how that would improved its preformace, cons and pros ?

Thanks in Advance.