icecoolben
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Rd-33, it would be excellent for Tejas also export potential, i is now.
The mig-35 wins the mmrca and we produce lots of batches of those rd-33 engines and our tejas would take off roaring from iaf airfields. The indigenous aircraft carrier would be cruising with 40 tejas fighters on its deck, making port calls to indian, pacific and the atlantic oceans. Attending fleet reviews at different countries. Showcasing the tejas in nigeria, indonesia, vietnam, bolivia greece all countries that would prefer our russian engined tejas than buy cheap russian engined chinese jets . Then our tejas sales will sour, russia will produce more and more rd-33 engines. Its a win-win situation.
If there was a light fighter competition when tejas and j-17 battle it hard out, wouldn't russia be tempted to field its mig-29s though twin-engined is still in in the light category . It would expose the major hole in both tejas and j-17. They have a foreign heart at their cores. If rosenbosxport plays a behind the scenes card that russia might with hold spares supply to engines of fighters supplied by india and china, wouldn't that be a win-win situation as well. But i ask for whom.
We indians have a stintch of loyalty in our blood unlike white men. I'm not being racist. Its western ideology brought forth by rennisance. Be it americans, french, english or the russians. Though Russians are not that business savvy as americans who proudly claim the business of america is business. They still look out for their own interests. Look at the political mileage moscow can offer that the new delhi can only dream off. Look at the french, they equipped their rafales with f404 during development, but instantly changed to m-88 though it had a lesser thrust than the ge414 in20 available then, thus they have been able to avoid american hegemony and field their fighters against gainsts lockheed and boeing in export competitions. They are highly respected for their sanction immune self-sustaining systems that offer foreign customers the reliability they expect from all weather defence supplier . So lets face it depending on russia would always be an unequal partnership and detriment to our own interests.
How does then india assert its autonomy? by going it alone, not likely. Lets put our foot down to tejas engine. Its a well known fact that our tejas has been integrated with ge f404 by following western engine computer integration laws and engine manufacturers of russia and west even the europeons seldom share technology. So it would be next to impossible to sucessfully integrate rd-33 with out major changes to the aircraft wirings and controls. Another issue is that the rd-33 measures 40 inches in diameter and length at more than 160 inches, but tejas's nozzle exit is designed for 35 inches dia, 154 inches length turbo-fan. Even if v sqeeze the engine there's a big problem the russian engine weights at 1143 kg heavier. so it takes larger space and also larger percent of aircraft weight. tejas is very small,compact with very light wings but not as rugged as an all metal plane. Using rd-33 might make the centre of gravity of tejas fuselage to fall in line with the engine it would present major problems then. So its best we go for ge 414 or better the ej-200 for the mk-2 atleast for the time being . Our military planners and politicians had envisaged such a situation. So they aspired the most difficult technological leap forward that was the GTRE kaveri after burning turbo-fan. Imagine the day kaveri was taken to russia in hopes that it would finally pass all tests and power production tejas models. But failure is an integral part of life . Just because the media fan fare has died down doesn't mean v should give up on it. The snecma-gtre proposal should be the stop gap measure. After achieving at least 90% of engine manufacture locally by 2016 tejas export can be pursued by then. The french have lost competitions due to low power of their engines compared to ej-200. But they were patient. Now they are confidient that m-88 is about to fruitify . The kaveri could well be our m-88 3 by then(by engine specifications too i mean). Lets put faith in our institutions than give in to chinese paranoia, shake hands with the russians, and pretend a false victory. The real victory would be when gtre and similar indian companies go economies of scale and engine every aircraft in indian fleet service. Be it civilian and military.
I agree with u the indians and russian working together would help keep the chinese away from the the light fighter market. With a russian proven engine and a gaurentee of future enhancement of the engine its an excellent proposition. We would be able to strategically capture the third world market also keep the chinese buying from the russians. While we would be licence producing them.
The mig-35 wins the mmrca and we produce lots of batches of those rd-33 engines and our tejas would take off roaring from iaf airfields. The indigenous aircraft carrier would be cruising with 40 tejas fighters on its deck, making port calls to indian, pacific and the atlantic oceans. Attending fleet reviews at different countries. Showcasing the tejas in nigeria, indonesia, vietnam, bolivia greece all countries that would prefer our russian engined tejas than buy cheap russian engined chinese jets . Then our tejas sales will sour, russia will produce more and more rd-33 engines. Its a win-win situation.
If there was a light fighter competition when tejas and j-17 battle it hard out, wouldn't russia be tempted to field its mig-29s though twin-engined is still in in the light category . It would expose the major hole in both tejas and j-17. They have a foreign heart at their cores. If rosenbosxport plays a behind the scenes card that russia might with hold spares supply to engines of fighters supplied by india and china, wouldn't that be a win-win situation as well. But i ask for whom.
We indians have a stintch of loyalty in our blood unlike white men. I'm not being racist. Its western ideology brought forth by rennisance. Be it americans, french, english or the russians. Though Russians are not that business savvy as americans who proudly claim the business of america is business. They still look out for their own interests. Look at the political mileage moscow can offer that the new delhi can only dream off. Look at the french, they equipped their rafales with f404 during development, but instantly changed to m-88 though it had a lesser thrust than the ge414 in20 available then, thus they have been able to avoid american hegemony and field their fighters against gainsts lockheed and boeing in export competitions. They are highly respected for their sanction immune self-sustaining systems that offer foreign customers the reliability they expect from all weather defence supplier . So lets face it depending on russia would always be an unequal partnership and detriment to our own interests.
How does then india assert its autonomy? by going it alone, not likely. Lets put our foot down to tejas engine. Its a well known fact that our tejas has been integrated with ge f404 by following western engine computer integration laws and engine manufacturers of russia and west even the europeons seldom share technology. So it would be next to impossible to sucessfully integrate rd-33 with out major changes to the aircraft wirings and controls. Another issue is that the rd-33 measures 40 inches in diameter and length at more than 160 inches, but tejas's nozzle exit is designed for 35 inches dia, 154 inches length turbo-fan. Even if v sqeeze the engine there's a big problem the russian engine weights at 1143 kg heavier. so it takes larger space and also larger percent of aircraft weight. tejas is very small,compact with very light wings but not as rugged as an all metal plane. Using rd-33 might make the centre of gravity of tejas fuselage to fall in line with the engine it would present major problems then. So its best we go for ge 414 or better the ej-200 for the mk-2 atleast for the time being . Our military planners and politicians had envisaged such a situation. So they aspired the most difficult technological leap forward that was the GTRE kaveri after burning turbo-fan. Imagine the day kaveri was taken to russia in hopes that it would finally pass all tests and power production tejas models. But failure is an integral part of life . Just because the media fan fare has died down doesn't mean v should give up on it. The snecma-gtre proposal should be the stop gap measure. After achieving at least 90% of engine manufacture locally by 2016 tejas export can be pursued by then. The french have lost competitions due to low power of their engines compared to ej-200. But they were patient. Now they are confidient that m-88 is about to fruitify . The kaveri could well be our m-88 3 by then(by engine specifications too i mean). Lets put faith in our institutions than give in to chinese paranoia, shake hands with the russians, and pretend a false victory. The real victory would be when gtre and similar indian companies go economies of scale and engine every aircraft in indian fleet service. Be it civilian and military.
