ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[sukhish]

hey freinds i want to know how many countries have LCA techniquies and whats there aircrafts name?
can anyone give me above information?!

in not so distant future afghanistan will have tejas, whether Pakistan likes it or not.

 

[Neil]

Tejas MK-3 is it on?

Recently sources are indicating that IAF is seriously considering increasing the numbers of Tejas aircrafts, Indian air force has already committed 40 Tejas MK-1 aircrafts, along with 8 Limited serial production aircraft.

IAF had projected 5 Squadrons (100) of Tejas MK-2, but IAF is considering adding more 2 to 3 Squadrons of Tejas aircrafts in its inventory post 2020, IAF after recalculation of fleet strength and expected delays in programs like FGFA and more time given to ADA for development of AMCA, means they will be short fall of aircrafts, IAF plans to retire all Mig-21 by 2017 and will reduce it Mig-27 strength by half in 2015 and complete phase out will be done by 2020.

ADA few years back was seen keen to work on third variant of Tejas (MK-3), in cooperating 5th generation avionics along with AESA radar. AESA radar was dropped from Tejas MK-2 since IAF and DRDO felt that it will lead to delays in the program, since radar is still in development phase; testing and production will take time. IAF is open to AESA for later variants.

AMCA which was supposed to have it first flight before 2020 will get more time for development of 5th generation avionics and technologies, to make it a true 5th gen fighter has demanded by its customer.



Tejas MK-3 is it on? | idrw.org

 

[ace009]

Huh! Mk-3 now? how about we get the Mk-2 design frozen first, the Mk-1 squadron in operation and then talk about Mk-3?

More of these "projects" on HALs plate will cause more mess and chaos.

 

[sandeepdg]

Make the Mark-1 squadron operational first, then think about Tejas Mk-3 !!

 

[The Messiah]

let mk2 get the limelight first.

 

[utubekhiladi]

Huh! Mk-3 now? how about we get the Mk-2 design frozen first, the Mk-1 squadron in operation and then talk about Mk-3?

More of these "projects" on HALs plate will cause more mess and chaos.

how about we get FOC for tejas mk-1 first?

 

[Yusuf]

When the DRDO gets proactive and thinks ahead to give better stuff to the armed forces, people put it down. Every major company works in advance to add to the capabilities. Why the negative comments? Everything is failing into place regardless of the delays.

Kudos to DRDO for thinking ahead.

 

[Dovah]

They should start on Mk-5 and skip everything else in between.

 

[ace009]

No Yusuf - I will disagree - for any company "announcing" or publicly talking about new products/ projects without showing progress on older ones is rank unprofessionalism. DRDO is yet to prove that they can deliver the LCA in time - their timelines are slipping and the designs are forever changing, not to mention key technology pieces are nowhere in sight.
LCA mk-3 is good for fanboys (like us maybe), but for a professional organization even rumouring about it is immature ...

Deliver on the promised goods in time and then talk about what more you can do ...

 

[Neil]

even i doubt what is mk3 anyways...i mean we dont even know what to put in mk2 how can we just hope to mk3...may be the tittle is misleading...but 1 thing is for sure with project delays and phasing out of migs tejas order is gonna jump...which is a very good news...

 

[pmaitra]

Get LCA Mark 1 up and running. Move on to Mark 2. Get Mark 2 accepted and up and running. Then work on finalising Mark 3. Get it accepted. Then recall all Mark 1s and upgrade them to Mark 3 alongside building brand new Mark 3s. Deliver them.

 

[p2prada]

how about we get FOC for tejas mk-1 first?

How about we get Mk1 IOC first? :blum:

 

[Rahul Singh]

These negative comments are foolish, stupid and ignorant. People you need to understand that tech development is a very long process and studies and requirements have to be studied very well in advance to save time. That is exactly happening, ADA is projecting its own thought now IAF will comment and they will sit together and finalize details after that project will seek government approvals (at different levels) then budget will be sanctioned and only after all these actual project development will start. You all are not unaware of term called Red Taping and also know how things work in our government, hit you calculator you will get the point.

 

[sathya]

LCA-Tejas has completed 1718 Test Flights successfully. (28-Oct-2011).

(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-211,PV3-301,LSP1-67,LSP2-188,PV5-36,LSP3-46,LSP4-41,LSP5-48)

thats around 200 Test Flights this year..

 

[ptltejas]

we need to add features of 6th gen or start to work on that, no need to stay more on fifth gen only. graphine can change all avionics and miletry productions.

 

[Dovah]

we need to add features of 6th gen or start to work on that, no need to stay more on fifth gen only. graphine can change all avionics and miletry productions.

6th gen???

 

[Patriot]

Tejas induction only by mid-2014

India's ''pride,'' the light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas, will only be inducted into the Indian Air Force (IAF) in mid-2014, as the aircraft, about which the IAF had expressed some dissatisfaction, is yet to get the second initial operational clearance (IOC-2).

Answering queries from the media after inaugurating a conference here, Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal N"ˆA"ˆK Browne said"ˆthe IOC-2 is expected only by mid-2012 and the final operational clearance could be scheduled only two years after that.


Pointing out that there are some delays in its development, he said:"ˆ"The delay is caused by the active monsoon during which not many flights could be undertaken. But there are also some technical issues that have to be resolved as we go along."
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[Patriot]

MMRCA, FAk-Fa and Delays in production might kill Tejas

It's official now that, Countries light combat aircraft "Tejas" will yet again see further delays in achieving Final operational clearance (FOC). Tejas which achieved its ICO-1 (Initial operational clearance) in beginning of this year and was supposed to get its last and final IOC-2 by end of this year , now will only able to do that in mid of 2012 .

HAL has blamed "active monsoon "for the delays, but aviation experts are not convinced by HAL's claim. Vinayak shetty (Admin of www.lca-tejas.org) said this year Bangalore has seen more than usual rainfall, but major testing to be done are weapons integration and weapons testing which are usually done on a test range and not over Bangalore.

But he slammed HAL for not able to deliver aircrafts in time, he added "In last 4 years HAL has failed to deliver 8 LSP aircrafts and till now has only delivered 5 LSP aircrafts, which on average means close to 8 months for development of single aircraft, even after this HAL has same pace of work for other remaining aircrafts,".

LSP-7 soon to be tested as per source has been under construction for last 8 months (From Raw material to first flight) and even first orders for the 20 aircrafts placed 5 years ago will only take to sky in mid of 2012 (SP-1).

As per sources close to www.lca-tejas.org , there has been no urgency show in development of Tejas MK-2, which was supposed to have its first flight by end of 2014, and as per source will likely see delay by a year.

Which means? , that Tejas MK-2 will hit production only in 2017 period , which is crucial period for Indian air force , since winner of MMRCA aircrafts will see home grown production and also likely induction of first Squadron of Pak-fa in Indian air force .

So far Indian air force has committed for 7 Squadron (120 nos) of Tejas MK-2, but option of going for 63 more aircrafts in MMRCA contract will be more tempting for Indian air force . this period will also be crucial for Indian air force since Mig-21 will be phased out fully , which includes Bis variants along with half of the Mig-27 fleet .

Former HAL employee blamed Indian air force for token orders given and confusion that prevailed till 2006 if Tejas was able to meet ASR (Air staff requirements) of IAF, which lead to re-development of aircraft into Tejas MK-2. And he also said due to token orders from the customer, HAL was not able to recruit enough manpower or develop larger production area.

Another Defence expert, pointed out that in last 10 years, ADA and Hal were only able to deliver 11 aircrafts, which again even after a decade HAL was not able to shorten the time frame for the aircraft production, which averages 8 months period.

A Western aviation experts blamed , Developers careful approach towards Tejas Test phase for delays , he added "If you are confident with your product ,then test it to its limits ,but if you don't want to risk a crash and have a stay safe approach then delays are common ". But he also slammed HAL for slower production rate; he added "What if there is loss of one or two aircrafts in short period of time? With already limited aircrafts and with lost aircrafts, test phase will only see further delays". He also pointed out that "Even with loss of one JF-17 aircraft recently FOC phase of the aircraft won't have much effect on the project since Pakistan is already having close to 3 squadron of aircrafts at its disposal, comfort which IAF nor HAL enjoy at this stage".

2012 will be a crucial phase for Tejas , not only it has to complete most of the weapons test phase but also has to hand over two aircrafts to Indian air force for testing purpose , if IAF is not happy with some aspects of the aircrafts , then again be a setback for the Tejas aircraft program .HAL has to chuck out more aircrafts and should shorten its Production period to a quarter from its current period . More aircrafts at its disposal will only speed up the test phase of the aircraft program and achieve its FOC in time.

 

[tony4562]

Why point fingers at individuals or institutions for failure to deliver things that are anyway unrealistic to begin with? Had india tried a less ambitious project like a Pilatus-type aircraft (which India is also buying), India would be reaping the fruits of success by now! The real culprit is the government of India because it completely misjudged India's present-day capability in R&D and manufacturing. The indian government is also to blame for misleading the public into believing that India has become a superpower while in reality India is still importing nuts, bolts and bullets. Now the only realistic thing left for India to do is to double or even triple the MMRCA order. Get Eurofighter, it is the 2nd best fighter in the world today and in the next 20-30 years. Forget about the PAK-FA, india won't get much out of it. And even it it makes into production it won't be even half as good as the eurofighter.

 

[nitesh]

^^
First of all, India do make trainer air crafts, Kiran is living example. HAL has program running for trainer aircraft (IJT). Well where does GoI made people believe that India has become super power? Quite interesting, I never came across that. Like any developing country, India has success in some areas and not so successful in others. There is learning curve. India is going through that. There is some thing called spin offs, which every program has generated. And regarding EF and PAK FA, you have already spoken about the future with your crystal balls. So what to say except