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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

  • Total voters
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EnlightenedMonk

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LCA has got IOC in 2011, what's your point?
Spoonfeeding - Please read your Post #56 on that thread. To quote you -

If you don't know something then how you comment on that What other forum says does not matter until it is substantiated with some fact. And how one squadron will be a tall order in 2 years care to explain please.
And, to quote you again on Post #59 -

Now this is height of arrogance according to me. With which the LCA is flying till now? An engine right? Do you have even a slight idea about the project? Or you are shouting what ever is coming in your mind. Please do some research before typing such baseless comments.
And, post #61 -

So according to you you are correct and the Air chief is wrong rightLink, I requested you to go through the thread go through it.

What ever is your thinking is your speculation there is no logic behind it. You are free to have your thinking but if you type it you have to substantiate with proper links to the claims otherwise it does not matters in the discussions
All the while I stuck to my guns on squadron strength not before 2012. See my post#60.
 

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Boss, The LCA is inducted, the operation squadron is getting formed, chapter closed, don't tell me that squadron is formed after the complete set of birds come. Thanks for wasting the time.
 

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Good for you that you stuck to your guns. You get the DFI award for predicting squadron service of LCA. hurrahhh!!!

I still didn't get it why you had to dig out such an old post just to show what you predicted. What was the point?
 

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Boss, The LCA is inducted, the operation squadron is getting formed, chapter closed, don't tell me that squadron is formed after the complete set of birds come. Thanks for wasting the time.
"Getting formed". I'm sure you understand that that's in present continuous tense. Present continuous on this day the 5th of August 2011. The squadron is formed and ready ONLY when the birds come in. In this case, they haven't.

Good for you that you stuck to your guns. You get the DFI award for predicting squadron service of LCA. hurrahhh!!!

I still didn't get it why you had to dig out such an old post just to show what you predicted. What was the point?
I never forgive, and I never forget... especially when I'm humiliated by a person who thinks who knows a lot just because he runs a forum
 

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This is what happens when people take discussions personally.

Nitesh is right in his place. Squad will start to form this year and be ready by next. Difference in perception. But seriously the cannot forgive and forget thingy is really what kids in school talk about. Waste of time on a forum.
 

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We have to make Arjun tank to LCA. ie We have to force ADA to improve LCA to other best in the business instead forcing IAF to acquire substandard aircraft.
 

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HAL can't do anything in LCA, they should better concentrate on their own child IJT-36. All they can, should and should have been doing is helping ADA build prototypes at faster rate so that deadlines can be meet.
 

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For all those people who naysay about LCA and talk about how ADA failed and HAL/ IAF are saints - here's the story for LCA funding ... I am not sure if this has been posted or discussed here ...

When a sword arm is worth it
SOURCE BUSINESS STANDARD
Myth and reality in the cost of Tejas, the IAF and Navy's under-development fighter.
The spotlight is swinging on to the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). It has been cleared for induction into the Indian Air Force, construction has begun on two squadrons (40 aircraft) and the IAF is picking 40 per cent of the tab for developing a more powerful Tejas Mark II. Now its designers are hitting out at critics who charge the programme has greatly overshot its budget.
P S Subramanyam, head of the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which spearheads the Tejas programme, has given Business Standard detailed financial figures to argue the development cost has remained within budget. ADA also notes the Tejas is significantly cheaper than any comparable fighter.
'No overshoot'
Slamming some recent media reports that the Tejas was enormously over budget, Subramanyam reveals just Rs 6,051 crore has been spent so far on the fighter, that performed aerobatics at the Aero India show in Bangalore this month. Another Rs 746 crore (of the sanctioned Rs 3,650 crore) has been spent on the naval Tejas, which will fly from the Indian Navy's future aircraft carriers.
ADA has provided a detailed cost breakdown. The LCA project began in 1983 (the name Tejas only came later), with a preliminary allocation of Rs 560 crore for 'feasibility studies and project definition'. Subramanyam complains that accusations of cost overruns stem from the misperception that Rs 560 crore was the entire budget for developing the Tejas. In fact, this was merely for defining the project and creating the infrastructure needed for designing, building, testing and certifying a fighter.
Only after a decade of infrastructure building did the design work start, when the ministry of defence (MoD) sanctioned Rs 2,188 crore in 1993 (which included the initial Rs 560 crore). This allocation was to fund the building of two 'technology demonstrator' Tejas fighters.
"Within this budget, we flew the Tejas in 2001, and even built two extra Tejas prototypes," says Subramanyam. "And, that was without any adjustment for inflation or foreign exchange appreciation, though the dollar shot up from Rs 26 to Rs 47 during that period. Our forex component of Rs 873 crore should have been adjusted to Rs 1,642 crore."
Buoyed by the successful test flight in 2001, the MoD allocated ADA Rs 3,302 crore in November 2001, for Phase-II of the programme. This was to fund a production line and the building and flight-testing of 8 'limited series production' fighters. Phase-II will run till 2012, when the Tejas obtains final operational clearance (FOC) for induction into the IAF as a frontline fighter.
In 2009, with the Tejas flight-testing running slow, ADA obtained an additional Rs 2,475 crore from the government for Phase-II. Subramanyam argues this is not a cost overrun. "The MoD's allocation of 2001 contained no protection from inflation. If you roll back our annual expenditure to the base year of 2001, we remained within budget," says the ADA chief.
The IAF is now confident that its Tejas Mk-I will obtain FOC in 2012, within the sanctioned Rs 7,965 crore (Rs 2,188 + Rs 3,302 + Rs 2,475) crore. What remains is to integrate a long-range missile; to enable mid-air refuelling; and to enable the Tejas to fly as slow as 200 kmph.
What we got
Subramanyam argues that this money has not just developed the Tejas, but also India's ability to build serious fighters. "Consider the aerospace infrastructure that we have built across the country, in key DRDO laboratories, defence PSUs, private industry, academic institutions, and test facilities like the National Flight Testing Centre (NFTC). This has bridged a technology and infrastructure gap of two-three generations," he says.

WHAT THE MoD WILL PAY
Development Date of
sanction Sanctioned
cost Spent till
Jan 25, '11
1. Air Force
(a) Phase-1 (Tejas prototype) Jun 23, '93 2,188* 2,188
(b) Phase-2 (Tejas Mark I) Nov 20, '01 5,777** 3,859
Sub-total (a & b) 7,965 6,047
(c)Phase-3 (Tejas Mark II) Nov 20, '09 2,432 4
Sub-total (a, b & c) 10,397 6,051
2. Navy
(a) Pre-project design Jan 20, '99 14 14
(b) Phase-1 (Tejas Mark I) Mar 28, '03 1,715*** 732
Sub-total (a & b) 1,729 746
(c) Phase-2 (Tejas Mark 2) Dec 17, '09 1,921 Nil
Total (a, b & c) 3,650 746
Grand Total (1 & 2) 14,047 6,797
* Includes Rs 560 crore sanctioned on Aug 22, 1983
** Rs 3,302 crore + Rs 2,475 crore on Jan 20, 2001, and Nov 20, 2009, respectively
*** Rs 949 crore + Rs 766 crore on Mar 28, 2003, and Dec 17, 2009, respectively
Figures in Rs croreMeanwhile, the naval Tejas will fly within weeks. Significantly different from the IAF version, the naval Tejas must get airborne within 195 metres (the length of an aircraft carrier deck) and withstand the cruel impact of repeated deck landings, in which it must be slammed down precisely where the deck begins. Of the Rs 1,729 crore allocated for the naval Tejas, ADA has spent Rs 746 crore so far.
Encouraged by the success of Tejas Mk-I, the MoD allocated Rs 2,432 crore in 2009 for making the IAF's fighter even better: developing a Tejas Mk-II, with a newer, beefier, GE-414 engine. Simultaneously, Rs 1,921 crore was sanctioned for the Naval Tejas Mk-II. While the Navy funded 40 per cent of its fighter from the start, the IAF is a new convert, matching the Navy in funding the Tejas Mk-II.
"By 2012, the total development cost for an IAF and a naval Tejas — including a single-seat fighter and a twin-seat trainer variant for each — will be Rs 9,690 crore. Another Rs 4,353 crore will be spent on the Tejas Mark-II, bringing the total cost to Rs 14,047 crore," says Subramanyam.
The Gripen, a comparable if somewhat more advanced fighter, which Sweden developed during this period, cost US $13.5 billion for 204 fighters, assuming complete tax exemption. A similar number of Tejas fighters entering IAF and Navy service would — provided that HAL holds the Tejas manufacturing price at its current estimate of Rs 180 crore per fighter — have cost India US $11.28 billion.
Given that Sweden entered the Gripen programme with a mature aerospace industry (coming off the successful Viggen programme), India will have built the Tejas, as also an entire aerospace design and manufacturing eco-system, for 17 per cent less money than Sweden paid for the Gripen.
MILITARY AVIATION AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY NEWS: When a sword arm is worth it

As you can see, ADA (and HAL together), built a whole new generation of aircraft manufacturing industry AND designed, built and developed a brand new aircraft in 8 years considering first budget inlay in 1993 to first flight in 2001, or in 18 years, considering first fund release in 1983 for requirement analysis to first flight in 2001 - all with less money than the IAF is spending for the Mirage 2000 upgrades!!!
 

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For all those people who naysay about LCA and talk about how ADA failed and HAL/ IAF are saints - here's the story for LCA funding ... I am not sure if this has been posted or discussed here ...



MILITARY AVIATION AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY NEWS: When a sword arm is worth it

As you can see, ADA (and HAL together), built a whole new generation of aircraft manufacturing industry AND designed, built and developed a brand new aircraft in 8 years considering first budget inlay in 1993 to first flight in 2001, or in 18 years, considering first fund release in 1983 for requirement analysis to first flight in 2001 - all with less money than the IAF is spending for the Mirage 2000 upgrades!!!
I think we should scrap this MMRCA and mirage upgrade. spend some good amount of money for AMCA and get kaveri going , that would all we would need.
 

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I think we should scrap this MMRCA and mirage upgrade. spend some good amount of money for AMCA and get kaveri going , that would all we would need.
MMRCA we definitely need for IAF squadron strength. Mirage upgrade was a good idea, except for the overprice and the too long timeline.
 

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I think we should scrap this MMRCA and mirage upgrade. spend some good amount of money for AMCA and get kaveri going , that would all we would need.
No, we should not scrap MRCA deal nor Mir2000 but yes pound same amount of extra money on DRDO infrastructure..

Its not impossible..
 

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DIAT system soon to monitor in-flight health of Tejas Mk-II | idrw.org

DIAT system soon to monitor in-flight health of Tejas Mk-II


Scientist at the Defence Institute of Advance Technology (DIA), Khadakwasla, are working on a system to monitor the health of DRDO's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Tejas Mk-II.

Replying to a question on the backdrop of the recent Jaguar and Mig-21 aircrashes, Dr Prahlada, newly-appointed Vice-Chancellor of DIAT, said the deemed university has been working on designing health monitoring and transmission system for the aircraft that may be deployed in the Mk- II varient of LCA Tejas. "The system continuously monitors the health of the aircraft while in flight and keeps sending the data to ground. Thus, the ground staff is aware of the condition of the aircraft even before it lands. The system has been designed and we will be submitting the project to Aeronautical Development Agency . The software and the system would be submitted once they give a nod. It will take us about a year to give the complete solution," he said. Dr Prahlada was addressing reporters after taking charge recently. "In the next two years, DIAT will be developed into a military centre on the lines of Naval Postgraduate School , US," he said. "The years to come will see DIAT contributing towards all the major programmes of the DRDO. The NPS team had visited the DIAT campus. Ethiopia has been sending their teams to DIAT to gain knowledge. Besides, we have recently hired 31 aculty members and basis project requirements. The focus however will remain on innovation."
 
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