According to Pakistan Defence - India didn't exist untill 1947
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from kuran where gazwa-a-hind mentioned
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- Sa‘id (Saeed, Saeid, Said, or Sayid, Arabic: سعيد) is a male Arabic given name meaning "happy."
- Sayyid (Sayed, or Syed, Arabic: سيد) is a masculine given name derived from the title Sayyid. Some such people are accepted as descendants of the Islamic prophet Muhammad through his grandsons, Hasan ibn Ali and Husain ibn Ali.
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And these are the same guys who believe Pakistan existed since the time of Ghaznavis and Ghoris...some even stretch it to the time since human beings walked on earth!!
Very well said..Pakis hold conflicting beliefs. They see themselves as Arabs but also know deep down their DNA is pretty much non Arabic.
This kind of contradictions and confusions give rise to a denial and anger about what they really are and so try to attack everything that reminds them of their origin i.e India.
To sum it up, reposting this below graphic as Pakis experience cognitive dissonance all the time :
This is why you see Paki trolls always emphasize on skin colour of "darkie" Indians, Hinduism, Indian gods and so on. They simply try to deny and erase their roots as this kind of conflicting beliefs literally drives them crazy.
Good one!!
No. Pakistan became independant from a slave colony called British India. So did Bharat. So did Myanmar
This below
became these two
today are these four
Pakistan
Myanmar
Bangladesh
and Bharat
And here they all four as they were in the slave colony called British India.
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No. Pakistan became independant from a slave colony called British India. So did Bharat. So did Myanmar
This below
became these two
today are these four
Pakistan
Myanmar
Bangladesh
and Bharat
And here they all four as they were in the slave colony called British India.
so did ,srilanka, so did 90% afrika, so did amerika, so did west-indies
so did ,so did,so did
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India is an latinized version of the Hellenized version of Persian called Hindus which we are .
Megasthenes who came in the time of Chandragupta Maurya wrote a book "INDICA " He was born in Turkey .
Megasthenes
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The Indo-Gangetic Plain (grey area). The region to which Megasthenes was ambassador is the north-central region on the Ganges at the location of today's Patna. The western side is the Punjab region, which he also described. The Seleucid kingdom is out of the grey area to the west. The Seleucids were unable to retain territory in today's Pakistan (Punjab) or Bihar after the death of Alexander.
Megasthenes (/mᵻˈɡæsθᵻniːz/ mi-GAS-thi-neez; Ancient Greek: Μεγασθένης, ca. 350–290 BC) was a Greek ethnographer and explorer in the Hellenistic period, author of the work Indika.[1] He was born in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey) and became an ambassador of Seleucus I Nicator of the Seleucid dynasty possibly to Chandragupta Maurya in Pataliputra, India. However the exact date of his embassy is uncertain. Scholars place it before 298 BCE, the date of Chandragupta's death.
You can read Indica
www.sdstate.edu/projectsouthasia/upload/Megasthene-Indika.pdf
FRAGMENT I
OR AN EPITOME OF MEGASTHENES.
(Diod. II. 35-42.)
(35.)" India, which is in shape quadrilateral, has its eastern as well as its western side bounded by the great sea, but on the northern side it is divided by Mount Hemodos from that part of Skythia which is inhabited by those Skythians who are called the Sakai, while the fourth or western side is bounded by the river called the Indus, which is perhaps the largest of all rivers in the world after the Nile. The extent of the whole country from east to west is said to be 28,000 stadia, and from north to south 32,000. Being thus of such vast extent, it seems well-nigh to embrace the whole of the northern tropic zone of the earth, and in fact at the extreme point of India the gnomon of the sundial may frequently be observed to cast no shadow, while the constellation of the Bear is by night invisible, and in the remotest parts even Arcturus disappears from view. Consistently with this, it is also stated that shadows there fall to the southward.
India has many huge mountains which abound in fruit-trees of every kind, and many vast plains of great fertility--more or less beautiful, but all alike intersected by a multitude of rivers.
The greater part of the soil, moreover, is under irrigation, and consequently bears two crops in the course of the year. It teems at the same time with animals of all sorts,--beasts of the field and fowls of the air,--of all different degrees of strength and size. It is prolific, besides, in elephants, which are of monstrous bulk, as its soil supplies food in unsparing profusion, making these animals far to exceed in strength those that are bred in Libya. It results also that, since they are caught in great numbers by the Indians and trained for war, they are of great moment in turning the scale of victory.
(36.) The inhabitants, in like manner, having abundant means of subsistence, exceed in consequence the ordinary stature, and are distinguished by their proud bearing. They are also found to be well skilled in the arts, as might be expected of men who inhale a pure air and drink the very finest water. And while the soil bears on its surface all kinds "
It is said that India, being of enormous size when taken as a whole, is peopled by races both numerous and diverse, of which not even one was originally of foreign descent, but all were evidently indigenous; and moreover that India neither received a colony from abroad, nor sent out a colony to any other nation. The legends further inform us that in primitive times the inhabitants subsisted on such fruits as the earth yielded spontaneously, and were clothed with the skins of the beasts found in the country, as was the case with the Greeks; and that, in like manner as with them, the arts and other appliances which improve human life were gradually invented, Necessity herself teaching them to an animal at once docile and furnished not only with hands ready to second all his efforts, but also with reason and a keen intelligence.
The men of greatest learning among the Indians tell certain legends, of which it may be proper to give a brief summary. They relate that in the most primitive times, when the people of the country were still living in villages, Dionusos made his appearance coming from the regions lying to the west and at the head of a considerable army. He overran the whole of India, as there was no great city capable of resisting his arms. The heat, however, having become excessive, and the soldiers of Dionusos being afflicted with a pestilence, the leader, who was remarkable for his sagacity, carried his troops away from the plains up to the hills. There the army, recruited by the cool breezes and the waters that flowed fresh from the fountains, recovered from sickness. The place among the mountains where Dionusos restored his troops to health was called Meros; from which circumstance, no doubt, the Greeks have transmitted to posterity the legend concerning the god, that Dionusos was bred in his father's thigh. Having after this turned his attention to the artificial propagation of useful plants, he communicated the secret to the Indians, and taught them the way to make wine, as well as other arts conducive to human well-being. He was, besides, the founder of large cities, which he formed by removing the villages to convenient sites, while he also showed the people how to worship the
Pliny the Elder mentions Indos (India )
Pliny: Voyages from and to India
Ancient India portrays a unique value of recorded facts. From supreme navigators to flawless voyages, the unheard-of love of justice is clear in the hearts of the brave. The construction of the cities, to which they took so much pride in, amazed all who witnessed and continues to astonish all who appreciate the beauty of the workmanship and pride that these people possessed.
C. 17 (l9). He (M. Varro) adds that under the direction of Pompey it was ascertained that it is seven days' journey from India to the river Iachrus, which flows into the Oxus, and that people have been conveyed from the Oxus through the Caspian into the Cyrus, and that Indian merchandise can be brought by land to Phasis in Pontus in five days at most.
The People of India were called Hindus
The Hamadan, Persepolis and Naqsh-I-Rustam Inscriptions of Persian monarch
Darius mention a people 'Hidu' as included in his empire. These inscriptions are
dated between 520-485 B.C
On a tomb in
Persepolis, another inscription assigned to Artaxerexes (404-395 B.C.), there are three figures above which are inscribed 'iyam Qataguviya' (this is Satygidian),'iyam Ga(n)dariya' (this is Gandhara) and 'iyam Hi(n)duviya' (this is Hi(n)du).
The Asokan inscriptions (3rd century B.C.), repeatedly use expressions like
'Hida' for 'India' and 'Hida loka' for 'Indian nation'. 'Hida' and its
derivative forms are used more than 70 times in the Ashokan inscriptions.
In Persepolis Pahlvi inscriptions of Shahpur II (310 A.D.) the king has the titles shakanshah hind shakastan u tuxaristan dabiran dabir, "king of Shakastan, minister of ministers of Hind Shakastan and Tukharistan
In the Avesta, Hapta-Hindu is used for Sanskrit Sapta-Sindhu, the Avesta being dated variously between 5000-1000 B.C.
The Hebrew Bible
The Hebrew bible uses 'Hodu' for India, which is a Judaic form of 'Hindu'. The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is considered earlier than 300 B.C.10 Today's Hebrew spoken in Israel also uses Hodu for India .
The Chinese
The Chinese used the term 'Hien-tu' for 'Hindu' about 100 B.C While describing movements of the Sai-Wang (100 B.C.), the Chinese annals state that the Sai-Wang went towards the South and passing Hien-tu reached Ki-Pin.
Later Chinese travellers Fa-Hien (5th century A.D.) and Huen-Tsang (7th century
A.D.) use a slightly modified term 'Yintu' but the affinity to 'Hindu' is still retained. This term 'Yintu' continues to be used till today.
Pre-Islamic Arabic
Sair-ul-Okul is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry available in the Turkish library Makhtab-e-Sultania in Istambul. In this anthology is included a poem by Prophet Mohammed's uncle . The poem is in praise of Mahadev (Shiva), and uses 'Hind' for India and 'Hindu' for Indians. Some verses
are quoted below:
Wa Abaloha ajabu armeeman Mahadevo
Manojail ilamuddin minhum wa sayattaru
(If but once one worships Mahadev with devotion,
One will attain the ultimate salvation.)
Wa sahabi Kay yam feema Kamil Hinda e Yauman,
Wa Yakulam na latabahan foeennak Tawajjaru.
( Oh Lord grant me but one day's sojourn in Hind,
Where one can attain spiritual bliss.)
Massayare akhalakan hasanan Kullahum,
Najumam aja at Summa gabul Hindu.
( But one pilgrimage there gets one all merit,
And the company of great Hindu saints.)
This is where Hind or Hindos etc turned into Indos or Indoi or India
The Greek term 'Indoi' is a softened form of 'Hindu' where the initial 'H' was dropped as the Greek alphabet has no aspirate This term 'Indoi' was used in Greek literature by Hekataeus (late 6th century B.C.) and Herodotus (early 5th century B.C.) thus establishing that the Greeks were using this derivative of
'Hindu' as early as 6th century B.C.
Megasthenes who came in the time of Chandragupta Maurya wrote a book "INDICA " He was born in Turkey .
Megasthenes
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Indo-Gangetic Plain (grey area). The region to which Megasthenes was ambassador is the north-central region on the Ganges at the location of today's Patna. The western side is the Punjab region, which he also described. The Seleucid kingdom is out of the grey area to the west. The Seleucids were unable to retain territory in today's Pakistan (Punjab) or Bihar after the death of Alexander.
Megasthenes (/mᵻˈɡæsθᵻniːz/ mi-GAS-thi-neez; Ancient Greek: Μεγασθένης, ca. 350–290 BC) was a Greek ethnographer and explorer in the Hellenistic period, author of the work Indika.[1] He was born in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey) and became an ambassador of Seleucus I Nicator of the Seleucid dynasty possibly to Chandragupta Maurya in Pataliputra, India. However the exact date of his embassy is uncertain. Scholars place it before 298 BCE, the date of Chandragupta's death.
You can read Indica
www.sdstate.edu/projectsouthasia/upload/Megasthene-Indika.pdf
FRAGMENT I
OR AN EPITOME OF MEGASTHENES.
(Diod. II. 35-42.)
(35.)" India, which is in shape quadrilateral, has its eastern as well as its western side bounded by the great sea, but on the northern side it is divided by Mount Hemodos from that part of Skythia which is inhabited by those Skythians who are called the Sakai, while the fourth or western side is bounded by the river called the Indus, which is perhaps the largest of all rivers in the world after the Nile. The extent of the whole country from east to west is said to be 28,000 stadia, and from north to south 32,000. Being thus of such vast extent, it seems well-nigh to embrace the whole of the northern tropic zone of the earth, and in fact at the extreme point of India the gnomon of the sundial may frequently be observed to cast no shadow, while the constellation of the Bear is by night invisible, and in the remotest parts even Arcturus disappears from view. Consistently with this, it is also stated that shadows there fall to the southward.
India has many huge mountains which abound in fruit-trees of every kind, and many vast plains of great fertility--more or less beautiful, but all alike intersected by a multitude of rivers.
The greater part of the soil, moreover, is under irrigation, and consequently bears two crops in the course of the year. It teems at the same time with animals of all sorts,--beasts of the field and fowls of the air,--of all different degrees of strength and size. It is prolific, besides, in elephants, which are of monstrous bulk, as its soil supplies food in unsparing profusion, making these animals far to exceed in strength those that are bred in Libya. It results also that, since they are caught in great numbers by the Indians and trained for war, they are of great moment in turning the scale of victory.
(36.) The inhabitants, in like manner, having abundant means of subsistence, exceed in consequence the ordinary stature, and are distinguished by their proud bearing. They are also found to be well skilled in the arts, as might be expected of men who inhale a pure air and drink the very finest water. And while the soil bears on its surface all kinds "
It is said that India, being of enormous size when taken as a whole, is peopled by races both numerous and diverse, of which not even one was originally of foreign descent, but all were evidently indigenous; and moreover that India neither received a colony from abroad, nor sent out a colony to any other nation. The legends further inform us that in primitive times the inhabitants subsisted on such fruits as the earth yielded spontaneously, and were clothed with the skins of the beasts found in the country, as was the case with the Greeks; and that, in like manner as with them, the arts and other appliances which improve human life were gradually invented, Necessity herself teaching them to an animal at once docile and furnished not only with hands ready to second all his efforts, but also with reason and a keen intelligence.
The men of greatest learning among the Indians tell certain legends, of which it may be proper to give a brief summary. They relate that in the most primitive times, when the people of the country were still living in villages, Dionusos made his appearance coming from the regions lying to the west and at the head of a considerable army. He overran the whole of India, as there was no great city capable of resisting his arms. The heat, however, having become excessive, and the soldiers of Dionusos being afflicted with a pestilence, the leader, who was remarkable for his sagacity, carried his troops away from the plains up to the hills. There the army, recruited by the cool breezes and the waters that flowed fresh from the fountains, recovered from sickness. The place among the mountains where Dionusos restored his troops to health was called Meros; from which circumstance, no doubt, the Greeks have transmitted to posterity the legend concerning the god, that Dionusos was bred in his father's thigh. Having after this turned his attention to the artificial propagation of useful plants, he communicated the secret to the Indians, and taught them the way to make wine, as well as other arts conducive to human well-being. He was, besides, the founder of large cities, which he formed by removing the villages to convenient sites, while he also showed the people how to worship the
Pliny the Elder mentions Indos (India )
Pliny: Voyages from and to India
Ancient India portrays a unique value of recorded facts. From supreme navigators to flawless voyages, the unheard-of love of justice is clear in the hearts of the brave. The construction of the cities, to which they took so much pride in, amazed all who witnessed and continues to astonish all who appreciate the beauty of the workmanship and pride that these people possessed.
C. 17 (l9). He (M. Varro) adds that under the direction of Pompey it was ascertained that it is seven days' journey from India to the river Iachrus, which flows into the Oxus, and that people have been conveyed from the Oxus through the Caspian into the Cyrus, and that Indian merchandise can be brought by land to Phasis in Pontus in five days at most.
The People of India were called Hindus
The Hamadan, Persepolis and Naqsh-I-Rustam Inscriptions of Persian monarch
Darius mention a people 'Hidu' as included in his empire. These inscriptions are
dated between 520-485 B.C
On a tomb in
Persepolis, another inscription assigned to Artaxerexes (404-395 B.C.), there are three figures above which are inscribed 'iyam Qataguviya' (this is Satygidian),'iyam Ga(n)dariya' (this is Gandhara) and 'iyam Hi(n)duviya' (this is Hi(n)du).
The Asokan inscriptions (3rd century B.C.), repeatedly use expressions like
'Hida' for 'India' and 'Hida loka' for 'Indian nation'. 'Hida' and its
derivative forms are used more than 70 times in the Ashokan inscriptions.
In Persepolis Pahlvi inscriptions of Shahpur II (310 A.D.) the king has the titles shakanshah hind shakastan u tuxaristan dabiran dabir, "king of Shakastan, minister of ministers of Hind Shakastan and Tukharistan
In the Avesta, Hapta-Hindu is used for Sanskrit Sapta-Sindhu, the Avesta being dated variously between 5000-1000 B.C.
The Hebrew Bible
The Hebrew bible uses 'Hodu' for India, which is a Judaic form of 'Hindu'. The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is considered earlier than 300 B.C.10 Today's Hebrew spoken in Israel also uses Hodu for India .
The Chinese
The Chinese used the term 'Hien-tu' for 'Hindu' about 100 B.C While describing movements of the Sai-Wang (100 B.C.), the Chinese annals state that the Sai-Wang went towards the South and passing Hien-tu reached Ki-Pin.
Later Chinese travellers Fa-Hien (5th century A.D.) and Huen-Tsang (7th century
A.D.) use a slightly modified term 'Yintu' but the affinity to 'Hindu' is still retained. This term 'Yintu' continues to be used till today.
Pre-Islamic Arabic
Sair-ul-Okul is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry available in the Turkish library Makhtab-e-Sultania in Istambul. In this anthology is included a poem by Prophet Mohammed's uncle . The poem is in praise of Mahadev (Shiva), and uses 'Hind' for India and 'Hindu' for Indians. Some verses
are quoted below:
Wa Abaloha ajabu armeeman Mahadevo
Manojail ilamuddin minhum wa sayattaru
(If but once one worships Mahadev with devotion,
One will attain the ultimate salvation.)
Wa sahabi Kay yam feema Kamil Hinda e Yauman,
Wa Yakulam na latabahan foeennak Tawajjaru.
( Oh Lord grant me but one day's sojourn in Hind,
Where one can attain spiritual bliss.)
Massayare akhalakan hasanan Kullahum,
Najumam aja at Summa gabul Hindu.
( But one pilgrimage there gets one all merit,
And the company of great Hindu saints.)
This is where Hind or Hindos etc turned into Indos or Indoi or India
The Greek term 'Indoi' is a softened form of 'Hindu' where the initial 'H' was dropped as the Greek alphabet has no aspirate This term 'Indoi' was used in Greek literature by Hekataeus (late 6th century B.C.) and Herodotus (early 5th century B.C.) thus establishing that the Greeks were using this derivative of
'Hindu' as early as 6th century B.C.
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I have repeatedly debunked this in pdf, but guess some cognitive inertias can never be challegened.
India had a global representation as a nation state as early as Jan 10th, 1920, by becoming a member of League of Nations
http://www.indiana.edu/~league/nationalmember.htm
Here is a pic of the Indian delegation
http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/nt/db.cgi?db=ig&do=search_results&details=2&ID=655&ID-opt==
India had a global representation as a nation state as early as Jan 10th, 1920, by becoming a member of League of Nations
http://www.indiana.edu/~league/nationalmember.htm
Here is a pic of the Indian delegation
http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/nt/db.cgi?db=ig&do=search_results&details=2&ID=655&ID-opt==
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Awesome catch
The irony is so amusing considering Ghawza-e-Hind back in the day also included the region of modern day Pakistan.
Interestingly the terrorist group Terik-e-Taliban creating much of the havoc in Pakistan belive the actions in Pakistan are part of Ghazwa-e-Hind.
http://www.hudson.org/research/11167-prophecy-the-jihad-in-the-indian-subcontinent
Seems like Pakistani attempt to justify terror in India with this narrative has backfired against their own nation
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@atnaz
Ask any Iranian why there was no Iran in the past but Persia you will get ban in an hour doesn't matter how much you cry you live Iranians.
For thousands of years India remained as a cultural entity and a landmass of common ideas which flow from South to Afghanistan.
Why do you think there are Buddhist stupas in Andhra Pradesh and Buddhist sites in Afghanistan including Bamyan ?
Ask any Iranian why there was no Iran in the past but Persia you will get ban in an hour doesn't matter how much you cry you live Iranians.
For thousands of years India remained as a cultural entity and a landmass of common ideas which flow from South to Afghanistan.
Why do you think there are Buddhist stupas in Andhra Pradesh and Buddhist sites in Afghanistan including Bamyan ?
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there is no description of Pakistan in Quran
But in our ancient scripture and also in hadees there is a discription of Bharat
Remarkably, Prophet Muhammad declared, “There was a prophet of God in India who is dark in color and his name was Kahan [Krishna]” (History of Hamadan Dailmi Chapter Al-Kaaf). Some critics allege this is not a Sahih (authentic) hadith, and while their assessment could be valid, their conclusion that the hadith should be discarded is invalid.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/lord-krishna-prophet-of-allah_b_1759049.html
baat yahi khatam ho jati hai
But in our ancient scripture and also in hadees there is a discription of Bharat
Remarkably, Prophet Muhammad declared, “There was a prophet of God in India who is dark in color and his name was Kahan [Krishna]” (History of Hamadan Dailmi Chapter Al-Kaaf). Some critics allege this is not a Sahih (authentic) hadith, and while their assessment could be valid, their conclusion that the hadith should be discarded is invalid.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/lord-krishna-prophet-of-allah_b_1759049.html
baat yahi khatam ho jati hai
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And this will become Baluchistan, Sindh, FATA, And Pakisytni Punjab further very shortly.Pakistan
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You guys may have enough inferiority complex to define identity by colonization of western maleechas. Indians have not.No. Pakistan became independant from a slave colony called British India. So did Bharat. So did Myanmar
This below
became these two
today are these four
Pakistan
Myanmar
Bangladesh
and Bharat
And here they all four as they were in the slave colony called British India.
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Dono milke lete haiSorry, didn't notice you before.
Yes you are. :biggrin2:
Anyway z welcome to our Forum.
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"India" the term came before 1947, given by British. So pakis are wrong there itself.
Before, the names also included "Bharat", which has been there forever.
Also, before imperialism, there was hardly any concept of countries as a whole. Hence, except for a few the rest of the "countries" didn't actually exist. Only empires/clans/kingdoms did. That statement is hence as stupid as it gets.
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abe kya jhand log hai yar..
They say they are arabs. But they also say that harappans were their ancestors. But they also ruled us so they are mughals/turks etc.
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Ghar wapsi ??
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This is your problem. Someone says believe in one guy, you guys start believing in him and then kill everyone else who goes against him.
In India, we are allowed to go against anyone we wish. We can not go to temples and still be Hindus. That's real freedom.
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"Brahmin terrorism" ??????
The worst things some of the brahmins are doing nowadays is eating chicken !!!!
And we don't even mind.
Your definition and our definition of terrorism is completely different.
