11 Feb '13: Pakistan conducts test fires of two Hatf-IX Nasr BRBMs

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I am really shocked at your madarsa education. he was an arab and not a person from present Pakistan. By the way, can you recall which were the last three flags which flew over most of present Pakistan and Lahore. Let us remember the recent history as old history is all greek and latin for you.

The last three flags over present day Lahore/Pakistan were of Marathas followed by Sikhs followed by English. Where were you and who were your masters? HINDUS ONLY. even under British ,we Hindus ruled from Delhi as British detested muslims.
 

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but one doubt fart-han? if the Hatf falls off a like a rock refusing to leave your own pakiland ...with all that basket ball nuke bums ,what will happen? of course same thing is true for every missile:confused:
 

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I am really shocked at your madarsa education. he was an arab and not a person from present Pakistan. By the way, can you recall which were the last three flags which flew over most of present Pakistan and Lahore. Let us remember the recent history as old history is all greek and latin for you.

The last three flags over present day Lahore/Pakistan were of Marathas followed by Sikhs followed by English. Where were you and who were your masters? HINDUS ONLY. even under British ,we Hindus ruled from Delhi as British detested muslims.
he was a arab but the people of sindh are now pakistanis and they are their descendent
Punjabi are most probably the mughals

Pashtuns themselve like sher shah suri has ruled india as well.and they were pakistani all of them
 

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He was not from Pakistan he was from SA and he invaded the part of India which today we call Pakistan.
 

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No need to do that. Nasr will have to be deployed pretty close to the battlefield. That means we could take it out in the interdiction missions. Other than that, since it has a small range, its speed should also be lesser and should be easier to intercept than most ballistic missiles. Although yes, if pakistanis think we will go nuclear on them after Nasr, they won't launch it in the first place. But the point is, if they did, we won't be able to do anything.
India would need an excuse to go nuclear as preemptive or in response..

One reason is Nasr and
Another reaosn is Nasr...

Jab Giddar ki moat atti Hai to wo Nasr paida karta hai aur border ki taraf bhagata hai .... Ha Ha Ha...

The world would not accuse India for premptive because of Nasr as Nasr is nothing but preemptive threat.... and because pakistan has stated position of premptive strikes. So they will face preempive nuclear strikes .. No doubt on the williness of Yindoo Baniya and crafty Brahmins... !!

 
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he was a arab but the people of sindh are now pakistanis and they are their descendent
Punjabi are most probably the mughals

Pashtuns themselve like sher shah suri has ruled india as well.and they were pakistani all of them
So You agree that sindhies in Pak are illegitimate children of arab invadors born out of rapes committed by them of Sindhi women and those very people have accepted the rapists to be their legitimate fathers. Regarding Monguls, even Afgans call them to be outsiders. I hope you have some basic knowledge of world map. Do you know where is Mongolia in the world? Monguls came from there.
You have proven my point. Islam is a religion of slaves and breeds slavery only. It is for this reason that you found sympathy for the shudras of India and converted them to islam and still have lot of love for them. I have nothing against a person loving another person but what shocks me is that you Pakistanis call yourself to be Arabs. Most Pakistanies from Punjab and NWFP are actually high class Hindu converts and mostly Rajputs. Identify yourselves and your true ancestory. Why is it that Punjabies still rule whole of Pakistan? Well they were the rulers always irrespective of whether they were muslims or Hindus.
 

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Oh no! The same Zia propagated lies once again.

*Pakistan didn't exist before 1947
*Pakistani People didn't exist before 1947
*The Idea of Pakistan didn't exist before the 20th century
*Babur and all previous to him were invaders from Turkey, originally Mongols
*Akbar & later can be said to be partially Indians as they were born here (Not Pakistan, as no one can can belong to a state/empire which didn't exist at that point of time)

Now there is a nut case in Karnataka who wants to change history in text books. Would that actually change history? No. Similarly Zia tried to change history in Pak textbooks, but it didn't change the actual history.

BTW... your own statement contradicts itself.
the major reason indian hate pakistan is we ruled india for odd 1000 years.while dande k zor parr captured kashmir as well as broken india by forming Pakistan
How can you rule India for 1000 yrs when you in the same sentence accept that Pakistan was created by breaking India (in 1947).

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In Pakistan people still call themselves to be Ranas, Raos or Choudharies. These are Hindu titles and even afgans do not have it. Bhutto and Zardari are both converted Rajputs and they have themselves called it so manytimes. So even after becoming muslim they still remember their original roots and want to differentiate from the shudra muslims of Pakistan. Vadheras, Khokhars, Maliks and many such castes in Pakistan still talk of their superior ancestory. Let Farhaan deny it if I am wrong.
 

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It's their school education that gives them the delusion. According to school textbooks in Pakistan, They once spanned from Afghanistan to Madhya Pradesh and later reduced to current size by evil Hindu conspiracy with British support. Sure Farha-an studied in one of those.

BTW, See how long back that names Pakistan goes;

On 28 January 1933, Choudhry Rahmat Ali voiced his ideas in the pamphlet titled "Now or Never;[23] Are We to Live or Perish Forever?" The word 'Pakstan' referred to "the five Northern units of India, viz. : Punjab, North-West Frontier Province (Afghan Province), Kashmir, Sind and Baluchistan"". By the end of 1933, the word "Pakistan" became common vocabulary where an "I" was added to ease pronunciation (as in Afghan-i-stan).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choudhry_Rahmat_Ali
 

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In Pakistan people still call themselves to be Ranas, Raos or Choudharies. These are Hindu titles and even afgans do not have it. Bhutto and Zardari are both converted Rajputs and they have themselves called it so manytimes. So even after becoming muslim they still remember their original roots and want to differentiate from the shudra muslims of Pakistan. Vadheras, Khokhars, Maliks and many such castes in Pakistan still talk of their superior ancestory. Let Farhaan deny it if I am wrong.
in ISLAM it doesnt matter whether the person is a converted muslim or born one.
It doesnt matter at all.
Islam is a universal religion and unlike judaism or chistianity whom were just limited to the Son of israel.Islam is for the whole Mankind till the judgement day

A newly converted muslim is more closer than a born muslim if he follow Islam more better than the born muslim

There is nothing such as low or high or superior caste in Islam.Islam is the religion equility

while i admit that not 100% pakistani are born muslim..atleast 20% are converted hindus

but the majority of the converted hindu muslims are already living in India and the rest of them are in bangladesh

In pakistan you very well know that
*Baloch/pashtun were never hindus
*Sindhi's they were again not really hindu if we extract the few tribes like rajput from them.
*Punbaji to some extent were but not the majority population.they are known as punjabi because they are living in punjab.and why it is named punjab because 5 rivers meets in the region and hence it is known as pun(5) aab(water)


odd 15-20% of present pakistani might be converted hindus(again it doesnt make any different whether they were christian converts,hindu convrts or jews converts) the rest are indigenous MUSLIMS
 

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In Pakistan people still call themselves to be Ranas, Raos or Choudharies. These are Hindu titles and even afgans do not have it. Bhutto and Zardari are both converted Rajputs and they have themselves called it so manytimes. So even after becoming muslim they still remember their original roots and want to differentiate from the shudra muslims of Pakistan. Vadheras, Khokhars, Maliks and many such castes in Pakistan still talk of their superior ancestory. Let Farhaan deny it if I am wrong.
Farhan is another shameless :pig: from the western shit hole. No matter how much you try to convince him logically,
dude can't understand. He is just there to spew some shit on the forum and whoever kicks his shitty arse, he puts that
guy into his ignore list. Pretty convenient I must say.
 
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in ISLAM it doesnt matter whether the person is a converted muslim or born one.
It doesnt matter at all.
Islam is a universal religion and unlike judaism or chistianity whom were just limited to the Son of israel.Islam is for the whole Mankind till the judgement day

A newly converted muslim is more closer than a born muslim if he follow Islam more better than the born muslim

There is nothing such as low or high or superior caste in Islam.Islam is the religion equility

while i admit that not 100% pakistani are born muslim..atleast 20% are converted hindus

but the majority of the converted hindu muslims are already living in India and the rest of them are in bangladesh

In pakistan you very well know that
*Baloch/pashtun were never hindus
*Sindhi's they were again not really hindu if we extract the few tribes like rajput from them.
*Punbaji to some extent were but not the majority population.they are known as punjabi because they are living in punjab.and why it is named punjab because 5 rivers meets in the region and hence it is known as pun(5) aab(water)


odd 15-20% of present pakistani might be converted hindus(again it doesnt make any different whether they were christian converts,hindu convrts or jews converts) the rest are indigenous MUSLIMS
Mighty Farhan strikes back..

OMG what is that? What am i reading here?

Castes in Pakistan

The social stratification among Muslims in the "Swat" area of North Pakistan has been meaningfully compared to the Caste system in India. The society is rigidly divided into subgroups where each Quom is assigned a profession. Different Quoms are not permitted to intermarry or live in the same community.[13] These Muslims practice a ritual-based system of social stratification. The Quoms who deal with human emissions are ranked the lowest.[13]

Stephen M. Lyon of University of Kent has written about what he calls "Gujarism", the act of Gujjars in Pakistan seeking out other Gujjars to form associations, and consolidate ties with them, based strictly on caste affiliation.[18]

Source: Caste system among South Asian Muslims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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my brother it doesnt say ISLAM has caste system.

its all about culture

like in ISLAM there is no burqa concept but more of an muslim culture now.caste is not mentioned in ISLAM as well
Okay I wont refute that but and my next statement is, Isn't religion a set of ideology and practice followed by a community as preached by their supposed religious leader? Religion is a belief and there are bound to be adaptations according to demography and influence from other sects or society. If I go strictly by your theology, people whom don't confine,concede and comprehend Islam in its entirety are not true believers? Kafirs if you may like Ahmadis? Ergo the people you claimed to be indigenous and non convert Muslims are kafirs? I am just trying to learn
 

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Okay I wont refute that but and my next statement is, Isn't religion a set of ideology and practice followed by a community as preached by their supposed religious leader? Religion is a belief and there are bound to be adaptations according to demography and influence from other sects or society. If I go strictly by your theology, people whom don't confine,concede and comprehend Islam in its entirety are not true believers? Kafirs if you may like Ahmadis? Ergo the people you claimed to be indigenous and non convert Muslims are kafirs? I am just trying to learn
i am not getting what actually you mean

though yes in Islam non muslims are regarded as kafir.
if i am not wrong kafir means the one know denies the truth(i am not really sure about this)

so there is nothing wrong in calling the non muslims as kafir.

About caste system my claim remain same.if you can dig out caste system mentioned by Islam.we will talk about it than.though i do agree we have caste system in pakistan same as in india
 

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i am not getting what actually you mean

though yes in Islam non muslims are regarded as kafir.
if i am not wrong kafir means the one know denies the truth(i am not really sure about this)

so there is nothing wrong in calling the non muslims as kafir.

About caste system my claim remain same.if you can dig out caste system mentioned by Islam.we will talk about it than.though i do agree we have caste system in pakistan same as in india
How come Pakis follow Indian culture if they are not ex-hindus or have any common ancestors ?
 

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i am not getting what actually you mean

though yes in Islam non muslims are regarded as kafir.
if i am not wrong kafir means the one know denies the truth(i am not really sure about this)

so there is nothing wrong in calling the non muslims as kafir.

About caste system my claim remain same.if you can dig out caste system mentioned by Islam.we will talk about it than.though i do agree we have caste system in pakistan same as in india
I would try to reiterate in a different fashion.

Islam is the religion and Muslims are the followers of Islam in its entirety.
If a Muslim contradicts the religious preachings, becomes a kafir. Going by that rationale, Most Muslims in India and Pakistan are Kafirs.

So back to our old debate subject, Your indigenous and non convert population is kafir as well?

BTW this is way OT.
 

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I would try to reiterate in a different fashion.

Islam is the religion and Muslims are the followers of Islam in its entirety.
If a Muslim contradicts the religious preachings, becomes a kafir. Going by that rationale, Most Muslims in India and Pakistan are Kafirs.

So back to our old debate subject, Your indigenous and non convert population is kafir as well?

BTW this is way OT.
you doesnt becoming kafir by caste system or related issues

your a muslim only if you say this with heart and accept Islam

"There is no God but Allah and Muhammad(pbuh) is the prophet/messenger of Allah"

now your a muslim.whether you get involved in caste,kill people,what ever you do.you will remain a muslim

now how you become a kafir?

if you involve someone being equal to Allah,or doesnt consider Muhammad(pbuh) as last Prophet or doesnt agree with Quran and hadiths.these makes you a non muslim

though even being a muslim you will get punishment whatever you have done like killing someone.or related
 

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you doesnt becoming kafir by caste system or related issues

your a muslim only if you say this with heart and accept Islam

"There is no God but Allah and Muhammad(pbuh) is the prophet/messenger of Allah"

now your a muslim.whether you get involved in caste,kill people,what ever you do.you will remain a muslim

now how you become a kafir?

if you involve someone being equal to Allah,or doesnt consider Muhammad(pbuh) as last Prophet or doesnt agree with Quran and hadiths.these makes you a non muslim

though even being a muslim you will get punishment whatever you have done like killing someone.or related

With all respect to you and your religion, this was what i wanted you to acknowledge. Inference from your statement, Islam does not restrict you from having caste based society. Or rather say you can have your own interpretation of Islam and practice as you please and totally acceptable? This apparently contradicts your earlier statement.


There is nothing such as low or high or superior caste in Islam.Islam is the religion equility
my brother it doesnt say ISLAM has caste system.
 

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Tipu and indian :rofl:

please name me a single indian king?be it from the alexender time.

beside this the so called india was always known as Pak-indo continent
Where have u got your history lesson...there was no pakistan word before 1940's .
Idiot...
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