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OT, but would love to know how Genghis Khan conquered so many reigns and his military style.
 

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OT, but would love to know how Genghis Khan conquered so many reigns and his military style.
1. Every single Mongol male was a warrior. This is how the Mongols, despite having a very small population, were able to conquer huge countries like China or Russia, where only a small percent of the population was armed.

2. Every Mongol owned multiple horses and spent most of the their time on horseback. This made them much faster than the infantry-based armies that they faced.

3. Genghis Khan used a decimal system to efficiently divide his armies into semi-independent tactical units. These units included 10 (arav), 100 (zuut), 1000 (minghan), and 10000 (tumen) men. A group of tumens formed an Urdu (horde) which was commanded by a general (boyan) who reported directly to the Khan. All hordes were uniform with standardised organisation.

4. Ranking and promotions were based entirely on merit, unlike other armies of the time who gave leadership positions based on nobility/birth.

5. Mongols trained from childhood in horsemanship and archery, achieving mastery in these skills by adulthood.

6. Mongol armies lived off the land and did not typically have long supply trains.

7. The primary weapon of the Mongols was the composite bow, which they used on horseback. Mongol horse archers were highly skilled and lightly armed, allowing them to be very mobile while simultaneously causing significant damage to enemy forces.

8. The Mongols made extensive use of deception and feigned retreats. They would often use gunpowder and firecrackers to intimidate and confuse their enemies.They also used psychological warfare by spreading rumours of their numerous victories and destructive potential.


Many more that I cannot immediately remember.
 

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1. Every single Mongol male was a warrior. This is how the Mongols, despite having a very small population, were able to conquer huge countries like China or Russia, where only a small percent of the population was armed.

2. Every Mongol owned multiple horses and spent most of the their time on horseback. This made them much faster than the infantry-based armies that they faced.

3. Genghis Khan used a decimal system to efficiently divide his armies into semi-independent tactical units. These units included 10 (arav), 100 (zuut), 1000 (minghan), and 10000 (tumen) men. A group of tumens formed an Urdu (horde) which was commanded by a general (boyan) who reported directly to the Khan. All hordes were uniform with standardised organisation.

4. Ranking and promotions were based entirely on merit, unlike other armies of the time who gave leadership positions based on nobility/birth.

5. Mongols trained from childhood in horsemanship and archery, achieving mastery in these skills by adulthood.

6. Mongol armies lived off the land and did not typically have long supply trains.

7. The primary weapon of the Mongols was the composite bow, which they used on horseback. Mongol horse archers were highly skilled and lightly armed, allowing them to be very mobile while simultaneously causing significant damage to enemy forces.

8. The Mongols made extensive use of deception and feigned retreats. They would often use gunpowder and firecrackers to intimidate and confuse their enemies.They also used psychological warfare by spreading rumours of their numerous victories and destructive potential.


Many more that I cannot immediately remember.
Can you stress further on point 6.
6. Mongol armies lived off the land and did not typically have long supply trains.
I read some where ( not sure if true ) that they mainly feed on dead bodies.
 

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Can you stress further on point 6.
6. Mongol armies lived off the land and did not typically have long supply trains.
I read some where ( not sure if true ) that they mainly feed on dead bodies.
Most Mongols were self-sufficient, i.e. they hunted for their own food instead of carrying it along with them. If they did bring food, it was usually dried, powdered meat that could be mixed with water and eaten easily with minimal preparation. If necessary, the Mongols could also use their own horses as a food supply (like I said, every Mongol brought with him multiple horses). It is said that a Mongol warrior could survive multiple weeks by drinking just horse milk and horse blood.

I haven't heard about the dead bodies, I don't think that's true.
 

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OT, but would love to know how Genghis Khan conquered so many reigns and his military style.
enjoy it , a bbc series : Genghis Khan - Mongol Empire 1of6 . :thumb:


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During the middle ages the greatest fear that the Europeans had was Mongols making it to Europe. The pope had united a Christian army in preparation for this. Luckily for Europe this did not happen and the army was later used for the crusades.
 

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During the middle ages the greatest fear that the Europeans had was Mongols making it to Europe. The pope had united a Christian army in preparation for this. Luckily for Europe this did not happen and the army was later used for the crusades.
It's one of the great 'what ifs?' in history. If the Mongols had destroyed Europe, would the West ever rise to prominence, as it did just a few centuries later?
 
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It's one of the great 'what ifs?' in history. If the Mongols had destroyed Europe, would the West ever rise to prominence, as it did just a few centuries later?
it would have been a much different world. Europe was in the dark ages, the bubonic plague-black death was rampant, many parts of Europe were princely states. This is an interesting question you can assume that there would have been no Renassaince and you can also ask the question who would have found America?? Or would it have been found?
 

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it would have been a much different world. Europe was in the dark ages, the bubonic plague-black death was rampant, many parts of Europe were princely states. This is an interesting question you can assume that there would have been no Renassaince and you can also ask the question who would have found America?? Or would it have been found?
Maybe the natives would have "found" Europe, eventually?
 

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Rather than the natives finding Europe, I think that eventually the West Africans would have discovered America (due to close proximity with Brazil).

In 1310-1311, the Emperor of Mali, Abu Bakr II, organised an expedition to explore the Atlantic. However, the expedition failed and did not return.

People often forget that West Africa was one of the richest areas in the world in the 14th century.
 
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USA may not be the same country we see today if a few different people "discovered" it, many would claim different parts and the size of the country and languages spoke maybe a lot different.
 
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Genghis Khan


Genghis Khan (c. 1162-1227), born as Temujin, was a world renowned 13th century Mongol Emperor. Khan is known to most for his brutality and bloodthirsty conquests, but he is also remembered by Mongols today as the father of the Mongol Nation, now known as Mongolia. He is considered by historians to be one of the greatest military minds in history and the Mongol Empire that he established from 120 to 1227 which spanned from Germany to China was the largest contiguous empire ever established in civilization.

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Before being known as Khan, Temujin spent many years uniting Turkic-Mongol confederations of Central Asia. Prior to Khan this northern territory consisted of mainly nomadic tribes sharing only a language and culture. Khan effectively unified the people of this territory and provided them with a common identity in what is now called Mongolia. Temujin also created a writing system for the Mongolian language based on existing Uyghyr script (a descendant of the Sogdian alphabet).

However, in his later years, Khan is best known as a ruthless conqueror, invading and conquering Western Xia in northern China, and Khwarezmid Empire in Persia, followed by future spread of the Mongol Empire as far west as Germany. He is recognized as one of the most influential people in history and his legacy includes centuries of Eurasian rule.

Due to the expansive and prolonged rule of Khan, his sons, and his grandsons in Asia and Europe in the Mongol Empire, modern day DNA studies have indicated that a specific Y-chromosomal lineage with patterns suggesting that it originated from Mongolia about 1000 years ago, and this marker can now be found in 8% of the men in a large region of Asia and parts of Europe. It is proposed that this lineage is carried by Genghis Khan and is carried by male line descendants of Genghis Khan.
 

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Another what if.

What if the (Buddhist) Mongols were sucessfull in defeating the Delhi Sultanates ?

Any possible scenario ?
The Mongols of Genghis Khan's time were not Buddhists but shamanists (more specifically, Tengriists).
 

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The Mongols of Genghis Khan's time were not Buddhists but shamanists (more specifically, Tengriists).
This is from Wiki..
The Kashmiris revolted in 1254-1255, and Möngke Khan, who became Great Khan in 1251, appointed his generals, Sali and Takudar, to replace the court and appointed the Buddhist master, Otochi, as darugachi of Kashmir
Anyway my question is not whether they were Buddhst or Shamanist...

The 'what if' scenario was what would have happened if they had managed to defeat the Delhi Sultans ?
 

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This is from Wiki..
The Mongols were tolerant of many religions and patronized many different faiths.

The 'what if' scenario was what would have happened if they had managed to defeat the Delhi Sultans ?
Millions of people would be slaughtered and there would be massive political upheaval, just as there was in China, Russia, Persia, and basically every place that the Mongols conquered.
 

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Also, the descendants of Mongols were able to defeat the Delhi Sultanate and conquer northern India three centuries after Genghis Khan.
 

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