Cornered Pakistan may strike India to salvage lost pride

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Although no one is going to ask me :) but my priority would be to take back PoK atleast uptil denying the links to China and touching back our borders to Afghanistan (a very small chunk that is).
Rest even I'm not able to find any reasons for going further, may be some advance in Rann of Kach @ Gujrat. That is another high activity area.

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There are 2 PoK territories. One is Balwaristan, its a very rugged mountainous and vast area, and sparsely populated. The other is Mirpur region, which is heavily populated and a very small area.
It will be tough to scale K2 like peaks, cross Siachen like Glaciers to capture Balwaristan. There is no point in trying to invade a hostile region full of Pak soldiers and militants and try to capture it. It will be better to make limited incursions, till we can manage our logistics and supply lines and then hold them.
 

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Agree with the rest of the reasons

To be frank the full on approach is not viable as well, as we're not super powers like US to endure full scale wars over the entire territory of Pakistan for a longer duration.
+ Pak is no pushover. They have missiles, they have a million strong army and most importantly they are our neighbours.

However this whole assumption that neighbours might fight now is a farce. The rulers in Pakistan might irritate us with their typical proxy war tricks to have a war of words and thus divert attention from the mess there, but nothing more than that.
best response for India to give Pakistan would be a counter proxy war. Take out the top leadership, and quickly bring them to negotiation table. With Afghanistan end game in sight..
 

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This is a insane thread. No country thinks about invading another country when its being bombed by predator drones at day and special forces during the night. There is a real chance that Pakistan will fail as a state. Its economy has already failed and no one is ready to bail them out. If anything, it would lead to more instability on the India-Pakistan border.
 

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This is a insane thread. No country thinks about invading another country when its being bombed by predator drones at day and special forces during the night. There is a real chance that Pakistan will fail as a state. Its economy has already failed and no one is ready to bail them out. If anything, it would lead to more instability on the India-Pakistan border.
Did we get an introduction from you?

Why is this thread insane? Your post further on contradicts your insane claim.
Instability on the border can get flared up any time. India is a uniting factor for Pakistanis. It sure is a good way to divert attention. It may not happen but it's sure worth a debate.

If all realms of possibilities are not discussed, we may end up with a lot of bruises.
 

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This is a insane thread.
Pakistan has been insane enough is past as well. Being sane, no country ends up in the sorry state Pakistan is today. Sir you perhaps aren't aware of suicidal tendencies of Pakistan. They would've been wiped out long back if they were fighting a hard line country instead of the soft state that democratic India is.

No country thinks about invading another country when its being bombed by predator drones at day and special forces during the night. There is a real chance that Pakistan will fail as a state. Its economy has already failed and no one is ready to bail them out. If anything, it would lead to more instability on the India-Pakistan border.
Which is exactly the reason why PA could do it, to rally the country under their hood and divert attention from the situation explained above. But even if it happens, most probably the full on conventional war would not be seen. A conflict of Kargil scale or lower, thats all. They would want to do it in a way that the blame could be laid on Indians (provocative means of course).


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to make facts and doubts absolutely clear to every one....India doesnt has a 2nd strike capability and nor the will at political level. PERIOD!

India should shun its no first strike nuke policy and should declare a First Use nuke policy in case of any attack on india by state or non state actors originating from pak/china. that would change a lot of things about india being a soft power.

despite india being a nuke power, pak has been bleeding india since 1989 with its proxy war in J&K.
despite india being a nuke power, we have not been able to get back the pak occupied kashmir!!

what the use of nukes if we cant use them to our advantage?

pak is using the nukes to its own advantage since it aquired them! Kargil>Ops parakram>26/11!

our army has lost its edge and will under corrupted weak political leadership!

has anyone in this forum been laughed upon at the border by the pak army guys?? its a very humilating experience, not able to do anything and they laughing at us!
 

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Pakistan builds low yield nuclear capability

SINGAPORE: Pakistan's successful test of a missile able to carry short range nuclear weapons threatens to raise tensions in a region already nervous that the death of Osama bin Laden will create more instability.

Tactical nuclear weapons, as these are called, are often seen as more dangerous than the traditional strategic weapons because their small size and vulnerability to misuse. Theft makes them a risk to global security.

The biggest concern is that these low yield weapons are seen as less destructive and therefore more likely to be used than other classes of weapons, forcing most nuclear states to minimise the risk by cutting back stockpiles.

Pakistani experts say the country has been forced to develop tactical nuclear weapons because of India's "Cold Start" plan under which Indian troops are primed to carry out a lightning strike inside Pakistan if another Mumbai-style attack is traced back to Pakistan-based militant groups.

The military said it had tested last month the 60-km (36-mile) range NASR surface-to-surface missile which carries nuclear warheads to boost "deterrence at short ranges".

Security experts in the United States, India and Pakistan said it meant the military planned to deploy these weapons in the battlefield, escalating the regional nuclear competition that has often seemed a replay of the US-Soviet rivalry during the Cold War.

Pakistan builds low yield nuclear capability | | DAWN.COM
 

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Bluff!! Pakistan needs to test anything new.
 

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One thing every one here must understand that there are no second chances in case of a nuke attack.

the one who attacks first has an upper hand and then the international pressure assures that there is no retaliation from the other party!

if india gets nuked by pak, there would be huge international pressure on india not to retaliate and hold back its 2nd strike capability. i hope this gets into the civillian leadership of our country.

pak is even ready to use tactical nukes on the indian army on pak soil, in case indian army advances into pak! you all can see the despration on part of the pak army/isi!

since tactical nukes are to be used by the individual battle field commander, after the usage, he could be termed as who acted alone without any orders from the higher command in pak army!

in india the nuke button is under the civillian control, unlike the direct control of the pak army.
 

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There will be no international pressure on India to not conduct a second strike. They would rather let us do it so that Pakistan ceases to exist and their headache is taken care of.

On the contrary, I wonder if India should nuke Pakistan at all even if they strike first when the end result is still going to be an Indian win. Pakistan will empty all it's nukes and still lose the war. India can save all it's nukes and win the war.

What matters is Indian strategic planning. What is plan B for Pak? We may publicly state we want a stable Pakistan, but in private do we support a break up of Pakistan vis a vis balochistan, Sindh and our part of PoK back. If yes, then would it make sense to nuke Karachi if we want Sindh to break away and be friendly with us? Would we want to nuke Quetta when we want the Balochis to break away and be friendly with us?

One thing is for sure, next big war between India and Pakistan could see the break up of Pakistan due to it's internal problems though cold start by india will not attempt that.

Why should India nuke anything there which will be on our aide later on?

This whole bravado about nukes is BS. Winning the war is more important than see which weapons were used. India will win a full scale war regardless of which weapon Pakistan uses.
 

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I don't see a full scale war happening very likely. Only two possibilites -
One is after a couple of decades probably, clash based on sharing/lack of natural resources
Two is of course an internally very weak (not visibly) Pakistan, teetering away. War could be used as last resort to hold the country together or may be when civil war breaks out then to get rid of the parts not under enough control to be usable.
 

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At the moment, India is ignoring the noises pak is making.

its best to avoid pak with its internal problems. lets focus on getting our economic developments and progress.

BUT, revive the RAW for activities inside pak, start the support for balochis and make sure karachi burns with internal disturbances.

NWFP is taken care of by DRONES of uncle sam.

JAI HIND
 

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