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Well, the IN ain't getting any P-75I sub before 2020 for sure now.

^ Same feelings here too, pal. I am done with your cheap comments. I am not taking this bullshit any further. I will concentrate on posting relevant stuff on this thread, and stick to them.

Yeah, Mr. Smartass, it seems your basic understanding is absolute trash from what you posted. I will quote you I wrote "The American Seawolf, Virginia and Los Angeles class are categorized as nuclear attack submarines, their most potent weapon is Tomahawk block 3 having a range of 3100 kms...

Sorry, mate. I meant the Ohio class SSBN when I was quoting about the Trident missiles. Russia doesn't categorize its subs as SSGNs, they are done by Western observers only, even though their subs carry the nuclear capable Viyuga cruise missiles and the R-29 SLBMs, which will be replaced by the...

Mate, actually SSN is not an weapons based classification. Americans maintain different classification of subs like SSNs and SSBNs, Russians don't at present, since they are short on nuke subs. SSN means that the sub is propelled by nuclear energy, its not a classification based of weapons...

By the way, what this new version of Scorpene being offered, that's said to be bigger than the current one ? Anybody has any info on its specs ?

Yeah, that would have been the most optimum solution. When we are making a nuke sub in-house, why not use that expertise in building an conventional diesel attack sub too. Saves us all the troubles. But, this is the result of all the bloody bureaucracy and the short sighted policies of all the...

That sound all good. But where are the SLBMs to arm them, unless we have an proven SLBM, there's no point in buying a SSBN. Plus, I don't think its that easy for anyone to sell an SSBN to us, even for Russia. We will have to depend on the Arihant only for our long term needs.

The Soryu class subs are configured to carry only Harpoon missiles and torpedoes, hence they are not capable of carrying the bigger sized and heavier Brahmos types missiles. Anyway, Japan won't sell subs to us.

111 billion dollars, are you out of your mind or what !!! An SSBN costs 1-2 billion USD in case of a Russian one, and maybe upto 5 billion USD in case of Americans. For less than 100 billion dollars, you can probably buy all 18 Ohio class SSBNs of US Navy, that's another matter that they won't sell.

Oh great, now you are lecturing me on MTCR ! I very well know what that is and its scope, please. I said "maybe in the future", didn't you get that ?? Obviously both India and Russia will face difficulties for such a sale to take place, given the international ramifications since Russia is a...

No, they aren't, dude. I said "maybe" in the future, nobody knows what's gonna happen in the future ! Anyway, we don't really need to buy a nuke sub, what we need to do is gain expertise from the Nerpa, and improve upon our Arihant design.

The Yasen class subs are nuclear attacks submarines. We are buying conventional subs for now. Maybe in the future.

50,000cr deal for 6 subs: Govt invites bids from firms NEW DELHI: The ball has formally been set rolling for what will be India's biggest-ever defence project till now: the acquisition of six new-generation stealth submarines, with land-attack capabilities, for over Rs 50,000 crore. The...

The Spanish are also building the S-80 class subs for their own navy, I think its again a good buy for IN ! But, my favorite is the Amur class subs, I hope they win the order. But the delivery timeframe is a point of concern as the Russians are well known for screwing up delivery schedules.

Again, mate, we are in the market for conventional subs, not nuclear subs !!

Mate, we are looking for diesel subs anyway, and I don't think French will sell Barracuda nuclear subs to us. They will be getting their first one 2016, even if they sell one of them to us, won't be before 2020 at least !!