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if you go thro' this and the Arjun thread you will see observations with links. do go thro' them. a problem, recent one (apr 2009) - http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/08/indian-army-has-decided-to-replace-main.html

engine changes?? can you specify?? did you forget forget "data logger" AKA "blackbox" that MTU installed (for transmission and engine related accusations) mysteriously solved the problem!!! i have given the links in the past. again -...

the way it is now is way better than T-90S howsoever people want to look the other way. what has my refuting post # 463 has anything to do with your going ahead?? and who is forcing you?? you can very well ignore. ............ arjun mark 2 does not need any...

point is Arjun even in mark 1 version beats T-90S hands down. even Zraver agrees. post # 66 http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php/7-Arjun-News-and-Discussions T-90M is in prototype stage and not operational. even if Russia is willing "cost and time" goes against IA. as to post #...

don't hate arjun!!! well that is revealing indeed after literally calling it a piece of junk and other epithets of which i quoted - some, in my last post. anyway happy to know that. APU and AC are simple things alright and which do not cost bomb too. and i have never claimed they can't be put...

"my indoctrinated hate" to T-90S??? well well... coming from the same person who was vitriolic on Arjun and called it "museum piece", "joe vegetable product", "won't be used in war" among other epithets now turns and says i am "indoctrinated to hate T-90S". does it surprise??? :emot15: we...

sir firepower/protection being similar T-80UD is "supposedly" having 3 gyro stabilised sights. other than that 6TD-2 engine is diesel 1200hp and a 1500 hp diesel 6TD-3 as an option. http://www.enemyforces.net/tanks/t84.htm pakistan got T-84 (just an ukrainian name for uprated T-80UD)...

not only shtora, even AC can't be put. where is the power going to come from??? no APU and already an underpowered engine!!! unless ofcourse a generator tags along. pakistani tanks have ukraine engine 6TD2 with a 1200 hp output. they have APU too. the main engine takes care of mobility part...

kunal sir i agree with your assessment. point to be noted here - our TOT agreement happened in 2001 and the latest gun at that point was 2A46M2 (as per fofanov) and the talks dragged on while russians kept playing spoilsport. this only got over in 2008. common sensically thinking, it is more...

sir, that is well put. the first buy of 310 tanks was ok due to IA's threat perception then but when in 2005 Arjun was ready, it is perplexing why IA went for an additional 347 tanks (2007) and 1000 extra as per TOT when actually the russians should have been penalised due to T-90S's under...

putting words into the mouth?? people can go back and check their posts. summarily rejecting an "informed" COAS just like that and in a way disrespecting his POV (which comes with 1st hand experience and being part of the Arjun programme) for being a member of parliament only shows hollowness of...

here is an account of how T-90S were inducted with trials in Russia!!! point # 30 onwards here in the 3rd standing committee report (MOD) under the heading T-90 Tanks -...

US FCS programme - sarcasm and nitpicking apart, the programme is cancelled. period. if it is restarted whenever, may be we can have a separate thread and debate it. as to they will replace "abrahms" when the programme is restarted(??) is a fantastic joke. may be Zraver sir can throw more...

well unlike india, politicians in the US including the president are most often technocrats and most often have served in one of the armed wings. it does not take much time to "google" and find out. here is an account on MR. Robert gates -...

as to the USA's FCS programme, i have already given a link in the previous post. it stands cancelled. it was direct from the horse's mouth!!! robert gates, defence secretary of the US Govt. "low profile" is good if it "sizably" compares and not if it is just 1-3%. problem with T-90S is that...

lets take a look at this "low profile" myth!!! size and volumes for Arjun and T-90S - http://frontierindia.net/dissimilar-combat-arjun-mbt-vs-t-90s-specs how "BIG" is the difference?? is it 1:5/1:10/1:20 to make a difference??? will this miniscule difference "offset" the great advantages...

there are many reasons for calling T-90 obsolete. 1. soviet doctrine emphasising "quantity" over "quality" as an advantage in terms of production and numbers fielded. they never thought of "futuristic" requirements - IOW, lack of vision. 2. they thought a "low profile" of the tank will be an...

here is a picture of the "workplace" of the gunner in T-90S - http://www.kotsch88.de/feuerleit/t-90s/T-90S_062-A.JPG as to the 2nd autoloader on T-90M - it is part of the aft in the new and bigger turret and not "inside" the hull -...

@kunal sir i don't have to say this but still... the prasun sen gupta article - is pure imaginations. most of it is not true or not being implemented. he is famous for such articles and some forums don't even allow his articles to be put on the forum!!!! look at the picture in that...

i don't know how many times people need to be told. the cost of T-90 as per various links are all valid. the point being deliberately missed is the T-90S cost does not include the cost of various "normal systems" that are supposed to be there in an MBT. this was the whole point in Ajai Shukla...