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    Indian Army Armored Vehicles

    On the paper between the foremost and the second projectile assembly, it is clearly written: Depth of Penetration 300 mm (150 mm RH plate at 60° and 2000 m) Where does this proof 300 mm RHA penetration at 2,000 m at 90° wrong?
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    Let me quote this directly from their article: Early trials (pre-1997) showed that Kanchan alone (the version used at this time) did not provide sufficient protection against kinetic energy. DRDO answered by claiming that an appropriate amount of steel armour is used (in the Kanchan version...
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    Re: What was Arjun MBT Fault? Yes, that's a habit one can see in this forum very clearly. But it can also be found in other countries. I have read a dozen European articles from people complaining about the high unit costs of modern combat vehicles, but the only reason for them is that the...
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    Re: What was Arjun MBT Fault? I think there were some changes. In 1985 the Arjun was still to use an Indian engine and an Indian transmission. But because both of these system failed, alternatives from Europe had to be bought - if there was a requirement for the engine and transmission to be...
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    Re: What was Arjun MBT Fault? There have been a lot of reasons why the Arjun has been delayed several times due to technical difficulties and changes in the requirement. The common patriotic Indian opinion of the IA being to corrupt to induct the Arjun in greater numbers is not true, the Arjun...
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    Show me the contracts which say that India bought also the technology required for the FCS, armour and gun. Otherwise I believe in what appears to be more logical - a contract which did not ask for these technologies. Else the Indian government would have taken actions... just look at the...
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    Both the T-90S Bshima and the Arjun use Kanchan armour, as mentioned already earlier by Kunal Biswas. The main difference is that the T-90S has a much better turret shape with much smaller weakspots. ToT does not mean you get all sorts of technologies and are afterwards able to completely...
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    This is a T-72B with Kontakt-5.
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    Re: Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) You are funny. on the high level of protection of the T-80U has been commented in various books, like the ones mentioned. There have been two reports from Jane's about trials of Soviet tanks with Kontakt-5 (one article about German tests and another one about...
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    Re: Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) What, now you start questioning the most obvious claims? Maybe reading something about the T-80U would help you. Rolf Hilmes writes that the T-80U expected by NATO to have armour equivalent to over 600 mm RHA and that the Russians officially claim a reduction...
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    Re: Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) I am following simple logicial deduction: - Soviet tanks with Kontakt-5 managed to survive reliably APFSDS with 600 mm RHA penetration -> T-80U(D) as (best) Soviet tank with Kontakt-5 is protected against APFSDS with 600 mm RHA penetration - T-80UD sold to...
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    Re: Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) You are assuming a lot without proof. When fitted with Kontakt-5 ERA, Soviet MBTs were protected against NATO ammunition which had an armour penetration greater than 600 mm RHA (for example M829A1, DM43). So the T-80UD cannot be penetrated reliably with an...
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    Re: Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) @Austin This however has nothing to do with the topic we were talking about: the capabilities of the Arjun.
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    Re: Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) 600 mm penetration is not enough to deal with the Pakistani T-80UDs with Kontakt-5. If the Chinese ERA or the Pakistani ERA is similar to Kontakt-5, it also won't be enough to penetrate them.
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    Re: Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) It is public information. It can be read in various news reports, it can be seen in photos. You shouldn't make any claims without sources just because other people do so. I am scientific illiterate? Have you read any posts from me? Apparently no. Since you...
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    Re: Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) It's funny how you reply to a topic without apparently having read any posts. All ammunition available to India (120 mm and 125 mm) is far away from being "modern". The Russian 125 mm APFSDS currently used by the Indian army is from 1986 and was already back...
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    Sounds pretty much like the BMP-2M: -Two twin launchers for ATGM (Kornet, which is a "2nd-generation-plus ATGM") -Thermal imagers -30 mm grenade launcher -Turbo-charged engine
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