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Crabby much over complete failure? At this rate, India will get its first FGFAs right about when humans evolve into beings of pure energy.:troll:

Back in the dream-time (4 years ago) people here were expecting the first planes in 2014.

So... )no )no )mid-2020s That'll do, thanks

Been away for awhile and was looking for updates on PAK-FA/FGFA program. Went through last 20 pages of thread and found almost nothing except posts about the F-35/F-22. Managed to gather that new PAK-FA engines should be ready in 2018, but that's it. Since I don't have the patience to wade...

In other words... still not grasping the SDB concept. Guess I shouldn't complain though.

This is the actual KAB-250 model from your article. And these are the two models of SDB supposedly being answered. Color me unimpressed with Russia's grasp of the concept.

Twelve of anything is not production, limited or otherwise; and tell us more about these "Advanced Engines" of which you so faithfully speak. As for capabilities... if the PAK-FA is so close operational status, why haven't we seen a single weapon launched from the weapons bay yet? It's been...

12 planes aren't gonna "butthurn" anyone, much less a vaporware export variant that everyone here knows is a joke now.

A brave mask for your butthurt.

I think not... it doesn't matter though. Nothing you type is going to put an Indian pilot in the cockpit of an actual PAK-FA, let alone an FGFA. It's also very amusing how you somehow manage to blame America for the program's failure. :tsk: In any case, I will always enjoy watching you...

Cutting the order back to 12 basically signifies giving up as they did with the Berkut and MiG 1.44... though I'm sure the Russians will still be happy to take Indian money in exchange for some more cool CGI photos of FGFA in IAF livery. Blaming the chop on 'Murica is just pathetic.

Never said you were... I only asked that you continue telling us more about how great Russia and the PAK-FA are. Again, a 6 or 7 paragraph essay on the matter seems well within your interests.

Wow... tell us more about how awesome Russia and the PAK-FA are. Preferably in 6 or 7 paragraphs.

Classic 3rd-world $hitheadism from what is no-doubt an avid RT viewer. If you must compare US action in Iraq to a historic period, perhaps "gunboat-diplomacy/colonialism from the 1890's" would better-suit. And FWIW, how many sanctions were levied on the US over our 2003 invasion of Iraq...

*Heh, heh* ...well, Russia's economy is smaller than Italy's and fragile-as-glass to boot... not that current economic measures against it are anywhere near what the west is capable of. Maybe Putin should have thought of that before acting-out like a pompous 1930's goosestepping a$$hole...

At this point, it would seem that the MoD is trying to find a way to kill the program (or at least let it die) without humiliating the Russians too much or upsetting voters who were expecting an FGFA "stealth fighter" prototype by 2014. Seeing as everyone here hates the F-35 (even as it racks...

You seem to be surprised... in any case, 12 planes are plenty to declare IOC and fly over the May-Day parade every year... also a useful number for producing movies/documentaries for domestic consumption... that's all Putin ever needed it for... so much the better it Indians demand they be...

Russia, India to Start Manufacture of First Test Models of T-50 Fighter Jet / Sputnik International Oh dear me... looks like 2016 is a wash too now. Sometime after 2018 appears to be the new date for India getting its first test-mule.

So 2016 for India's first prototype... and Prada was always swearing up-and-down that'd it be by the end of this year.:taunt:

I see a rhino-mount for the NVGs, so... old-school. Hey, at least it's proven. The F-35's system is probably gonna need a whole new generation of pilots to be utilized to its potential. The kids in junior-high right now will be less susceptible to symbology overload.