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Like any other average joe, I assume you never heard of Petr Ufimtsev? This is a thread about J-20. If you want trolling about russian vs US tech, at least have the decency of doing it on a dedicated thread, like T-50 thread. Is this too much to ask of you?

I am not aware that a Hongkong based tabloid is the bible when it comes to chinese military affairs. You want me to post their stories of how J-15 is the best aircraft out there sans F-35? just say when.

The part about unnamed PLA senior colonel is just bull. The engines were offered to PLA. They dont need to buy the aircrafts because of that. The fact that J-11Bs are equiped by Ws-10 is testimony of that. Whatever the reason they picked su-35 , it got nothing to do with the engines. Certainly...

read above.

Mods are free to move the posts to Liaoning thread.

TU-22 was pure BS like most of the russian sources. For the record I am not saying all of them are lies. But you need to double check them with official chinese sources. Most of the time, it was unsound rumours.

What makes you think they cant reduce weights using other means? We know composites are used extensively in J-15. Not to mention this: China commercializes 3D printing in aviation | ZDNet By using laser additive manufactured titanium parts in its aviation industry, China is looking to...

Not liars, but I do recall lots deals that never went through. remember the Tu-22 deal?

PLAN has 5 prototypes that we know of. With Su-33 airframe, modern avionics and chinese weapons. How many upgraded Su.33 are out there? Zero. You are also backtracking on your earlier comments. You said: China was denied the Su-33 saying no more will be produced. China will be happy to buy...

That is just bullshit. China never went for Su-33 in the first place. They got J-15 which is basically a su-33 with chinese avionics and weapons. To claim that China will go back to buy Su-33 is just plain silly. Everything indicated it will be J-15 all the way. You should know better than this.

Now you are puttings words in my mouth. I said clearly that J-20 is smaller than J-15. I never said J-20 is "very small". All sizes are relative. STOBAR is for Liaoning and the domestic 001A. We dont know the future configurations of chinese ACs. CATOBAR can not be ruled out. We know they...

How is weight relevant here? You design your ship around your requirements, not the other way around. The point been J-20 is smaller than J-15. If Liaoning can have J-15s, then there should be no problem for navalized J-20 on future ACs.

It is smaller than J-15.

Glad to see you backtracked from your statement of measuring volumes with your eyes. And only from photos and videos. :lol:

Why should we believe you? YOu can even do basic math. Remember your "China is a net weapon importer"? hahahhahah. You are not one of the morons who measure volumes with their eyes, right?

Anyone who claims they can measure mass of a fighter with their eyes needs to get their brain checked. Surely you are not one of them?

Nobody knows the exact mass of J-20. I know some nuts are comparing it with F-111. There is no cure for stupidity. A while ago some people also claimed J-20 is PSed and it dont have weapons bay. Stupid, right?:P

It is smaller than a flanker. Arnand And flankers are agile as hell.

You still taken Arnand the troll seriously? When was the last time he provided any decent source for his fantasies?

More nonsens from you. Ws-10A is in the same class as AL-31 and is been mass produced. To claim that it is in the same stage as K-9 is just stupid. It is about time you see past the usual jingoism and face the reality. Open a new thread if you are that interested to compare chinese...