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  1. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    With a little due diligence anyone that is not lazy can find a handful of videos of fighters from around the world crashing in a similar fashion. There are videos of Typhoons, F-18s, F-16 Thunderbirds, ect. Dig deeper and you will find data bases of hundreds of fighters from around the world...
  2. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    This is a disappointment, I don’t see any proof. I black dot on a satellite image showing nothing is not proof. A random video of what is probably an artillery strike is also not proof.
  3. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    It’s beating a dead horse by now but but after 1.5 years Pakistan still has not provided any evidence of ever hitting yet alone downing any MKI. The question becomes, why if Pakistan claimed to hit an MKI they did not release any HUD, radar data, or even radio chatter? Why F-16.net takes...
  4. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    The algorithm on F-16.net does not allow to talk bad about Pakistan or their fake kills :lol: Please overwhelm the website and report back if your comments get rejected. I never liked the website, for a place that tries to act professional they sure are bias. I wrote that there was no proof...
  5. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    Read my post again, one of many examples is Vietnam and the Gulf. Those air engagements made the the skirmish between India and Pakistan look insignificant. During operational Linebacker and Rolling Thunder hundreds of aircraft from both sides were used and shot down in a high intensity conflict...
  6. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    Not even close, the US (and other countries) have been using AWACS, electronic warfare and both long and short range missiles since the Vietnamese War all the way through Operation Eldorado (Libya), Grenada, Falkland War, Gulf War, Yugoslavia, Iraq 2003, Syria, Yemen and even against Pakistan...
  7. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    Notching is probably one of the tactics Avenger1 used, it would explain a few things such Avenger1 being so low, Pakistani pilots being overly enthusiastic and thinking they achieved a kill when in reality Avenger1 just disappeared off the radar momentarily due to flying parallel to F-16s radars...
  8. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    I wanted to expand to this and give proof of F-16 pilot flying hours and real inventory. Pakistan always had very few F-16s. Pakistan initially signed a contract for 40 F-16, it received them between 1983-1987. By 1997 8 of the F-16 were lost in crashes, accidents/shoot downs. Then in 2010...
  9. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    It seems the US basically used electronic warfare (jamming, false targets?) and terrain masking to evade Pakistani aircraft. Or they solely used terrain masking by tracking Pakistani aircraft and relaying their coordinates to helicopter crews. Either way it’s pretty embarrassing for the...
  10. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    I don’t think so, the aircraft did a full loop and pulled a high angle of attack right before it slammed into the ground. Obviously this is not possible with a pilot that passes out. It’s possible the engine stalled or failed but the most likely thing that happened was he miscalculated his...
  11. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    Chuck Yeager is a well known liar that peddled unbelievably moronic claims . Years ago I argued with Pakistanis how his claims were absurd and not based on reality. Yeager claimed he jumped into a helicopter and tracked down shot down Indian aircraft, I pointed out that it took Years for for the...
  12. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    Once agin moron, I have told you many times until Indians provide hard proof of F-16 kill I will disregard it also. Neither side have provided evidence, no wreckage has ever been found an no names have even been released. But thanks for admitting to making up conspiracies air head :lol: At...
  13. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    Okay retard how many time have you called me an Indian, it has to be at least 10 times. Clearly you have no arguments but just attack people and make stupid accusations. Once again I’m not Indian you stupid jealous 3rd world peasant. I am still waiting for your proof of those dead Indians SU-30...
  14. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: MAY DAY MAY DAY ATC: EJECT IMMEDIATELY CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: WILL CLEAR POPULATION ATC: C FIRM (confirm?) ATC: C FIRM ATC: C FIRM CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: CLOSE TO JUNGLE ATC: TIME SHORT ATC: DROPPING ALTITUDE FAST ATC: EJECT ASP CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: الحمداللہ (Praise be to...
  15. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    I’m curious if the pilot was performing a Pakistan sanctioned maneuver or just being incredibly reckless all on his own accord? For most ceremonies around the world pilots just do formation flying. Did the Pakistanis really plan to do a high speed, low altitude loop for their ceremony...
  16. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    But but you peddled a conspiracy that SU-30 pilots that you claimed were “shot down” were mysteriously killed in car accident. (Which you have avoided providing evidence) then you claimed GC Luthra was killed and now he is injured and not flying :pound: By the way I have yet to see a single...
  17. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    To me it appears the crash was spectacularly boneheaded and unsafe. Pakistani bravado and machoism got the best of their F-16 and not the enemy. It calls into question just how professional Pakistani pilots are. Remember American pilots were shocked at how unprofessional and poorly trained...
  18. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    That F-16 seemed like it was traveling excessively fast especially while pulling out of the loop. Pilots do black out from time to time but it’s rare because they wear G suits and are conditioned for high G turns. It’s strange that Pakistan has lost so few F-16 over so many decades while...
  19. Neptune

    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    It’s their ‘kill mark’. It’s well know that Pakistani intelligence monitors online forum activity. I remember when Indians speculated a bearded Pakistani pilot was the one that was beaten, he quickly posted a picture on-line of himself. When Indians speculated 606 was the F-16 that was shot...
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    IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

    When did Pakistanis upgrade the 606? Most pictures of the 606 doesn’t have those antennas. I actually only found two pictures of the 606 with them.
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