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You're grasping mate. You asserted that Pakistan gets subsidized military equipment FROM CHINA. I've said prove it, and you cannot. You said Pakistan gets equipment from China on credit, then defaults on those loans. I said, prove it, and you cannot bring up ONE REPORTED INCIDENT OF THAT...

Looks like someone's been frantically googling for a source and failed to find one. China has been forgiving infrastructure debt to African countries overburdened with IMF loans. Very true. Where does the article mention the writing off of bad debts for Pakistani defense equipment? Pakistan is...

"might"? You're still making things up with no evidence IH. I swear Indians lose all sense of logic where Pakistan is involved.

I'm denying that Gwadar was a swap deal for arms. If it was, there'd be extensive documentation to back-up that assertion if that were the case. Sovereign countries don't just lease land for arms hush hush with zero reporting. Pakistan BUYS defense equipment from China. Whether it be on a...

When India transferred USED helicopters from its own armed services to Afghanistan, it announced it to the world via diplomatic channels and news reports. Where are the Chinese or Western reports announcing Chinese donations of brand-new defense tech to Pakistan? Where are the reports of...

What's nationalistic is that YOU JUST MADE THAT UP. How can you conclude something with no concrete facts leading to that assumption? You're saying the Chinese government, just handed over Billions in defense equipment to another sovereign nation for FREE OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS. Prove it...

Pakistan opted for developing an Indigenous light weight fighter that could be produced em mass in Pakistan over a few dozen extra F16's. That's just a rational calculation. India had the same thought with the LCA, even tho it doesn't seem it will be deployed "en mass" anytime soon. Only...

The recent F35 deal with Israel was still counted as an export regardless of the fact that they where paid for with aid money. Cousin. You haven't provided any proof for your "Pakistan is getting defense tech for free" assertions. Give me a link to your source. Where is the memorandum of...

You're trying to draw a distinction without a difference. A $600 million dollar deal for tanks or corvettes from Bangadesh or Myanmar are still LEGITIMATE EXPORTS. Saying they bought it on credit does not diminish the fact that it is an EXPORT, that is being paid for by their governments. A loan...

That theory has been debunked over n over again on this thread. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Thailand, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan Egypt, Angola, Malaysia, the UAE etc etc have all bought high end defense equipment in the billions from China. Myanmar and Bangladesh are still legitimate defense...

WRT Pakistan. Can anyone claiming that Pakistan doesn't pay for its defense acquisitions give us proof? SOME (not all) Chinese military exports to Pakistan are on a credit basis, which means they PAY the balance over an agreed period, but at the end of the day, the defense contractors are paid...

And here comes the troll army armed with dusty articles from the last decade. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-defence-exports-idUSKCN0VU11Q Back to your 8 year old article: Let's see if that statement is valid. These articles are from THIS YEAR mate...

That's why I said that's a stupid measure of innovation. Because the US didn't "invent" stealth (by which you mean ships with reduced radar and IR signatures) ships or armed drones. The first armed drone usage in history was by the Austrian military in the 1800's. The first attempts at...

That's a ridiculous measure for innovation. Who invented the first jet, the first submarine the first tank? By that count of the top ten weapons exporters, only Russia, the UK, Germany and the US would count as innovators, and most of their weapons platform innovations being iterations of ww2 or...

The Global times is a TABLOID. Try to get on topic. The rest of your "China is afraid of India + a Trump phone call" is irrelevant to this thread.

You can't even answer the questions I asked you... If H6K's have been flying through the SCS and the ECS all year, how can a flight over the SCS be a message to TAIWAN? Why not fly H6K's over the ECS near Taiwan if that's the case? When the US was doing its FON ops, China raised diplomatic...

How are you measuring this "quality and innovation"? If its through R&D spending then I suppose you'll be quite surprised at the results of a bit of research.

Read your own source: An anonymous US official making ridiculous assertions? H6K bombers have flown so many long range flights in the East and South China Sea's through-out the Obama Administration that its illogical to assume that these exercises would be halted because Tsai called the...

Yes in 1987. And I've said before on this thread that the Chinese defense industry up to the 90's was quite under-developed. Since the year 2000 Chinese defense exports have grown exponentially and so have the quality of exported tech. The same Thailand just ordered AIP submarines from Chinese...

Tsai's Trump call violated 3 decades worth of protocol; and either way, the Chinese govt's response was quite nuanced considering that Trump is not the POTUS as yet. Where is your "blew chini minds" comment coming from? Indian Navy ships have docked all over ASEAN ports... Has there been any...