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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    You just cannot say anything for the sake of saying. Explain how Vikrant's design will be obsolete in a decade while it's possibly best after R08 & 9 in existence among all large STOBARS built till date. There has been a lot of changes since this aircraft carrier was designed and if 2011...
  2. Indx TechStyle

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Vikrant design is anything but obsolete in next 2-3 decades. These are aircraft carriers, not automotive.
  3. Indx TechStyle

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    3rd Aircraft Carrier is Official Now - Alpha Defense Proposal already submitted to MoD. Approved by Defense Procurement Board already. DAC approval pending. Most likely will be a second ski jump carrier INS Vikrant and not a nuclear flattop like INS Vishal was planned earlier. (Tonnage of 50k...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Ignore October date in link (article has been updated two days ago for IAC-II). Indian Navy Proposes 2nd Aircraft Carrier To Bolster Self-Reliance In Defence (DD News)
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    India needs 50 submarines and not 6 aircraft carriers given current phase of navy. Repeating the order for an improved 45k tonne STOBAR carrier adds up experience and provides adequate time to planners to design and plan a better thing for long term. By then, India will be in a position...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    That is not a why so since army's control over Pakistan ensures it doesn't pull off any stunt like that again given its condition and power differential. And unlike Kargil where India had international pressure of not crossing LoC, doesn't exist anymore. War will immediately escalate to level...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    You are again putting completing "what if" scenario with zero consideration of "why so". That doesn't help to contradict my point that Pak still brutally lags behind in every other aspect of war too which is far beyond PGM either. Given that India produces both indigenous guided bombs and...
  8. Indx TechStyle

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    It's not just about weapons nor just India buying weapons from US is going to make their economy touch skies (India itself produces sufficient ammo for Pak though). US indeed keeps an eye on its potential rivals and tries to keep them defanged. And military build up done against China won't...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Both of the threats are overrated. Pakistan is not a threat and China has to more loose. China won't start a direct war at least and Pak can't do anything beyond its borders, even barely can defend an attack.
  10. Indx TechStyle

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Abolition of Soviet hard power would have made them decay even faster. It was their superior military which fended off Nazis and kept directly hostile western powers at bay despite their faultlines. Nor money internally ever solved their problems. Soviet literally gave freedoles to its citizens...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Problems, solutions and budgets for India's social, internal security and external threats are separated and different in nature. It's a lame argument usually from people with lack of insight. One doesn't come at cost of another. Skipping $5 billion for an AC or $2 billions isn't going to bring...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    It won't, China has a quite large submarine fleet. 12 nuclear subs don't create that of a dominance over 70 subs even if just few of them are conventional. As far as US concerned, I didn't say that gap between powers of US and India will not thin soon. What I'm implying that once US will be...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    IMO there is a concensus in USA that it is going to be surpassed or neutralised by China or India in long term. Given India's future is yet relatively uncertain unlike China and it has a position of relative weakness, and China has reached a position that it isn't willing to compromise, US could...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Or Vishal may be altogether cancelled while India would be having sufficient funds to plan a 100,000 tonnes nuclear carrier by then. We would be having mature tech to make ships and fighters, fighters in production for carriers and probably would have bought a aircraft carrier too (British...
  15. Indx TechStyle

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Navy wants one in south Indian ocean too for power projection while two defend east and west coasts. Clearly, not only a third carrier but a supercarrier of 65k-100k tonnes would be needed to stay as dominant force in IOR. SSN too is going under construction next year. So basically, navy is...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    Third aircraft carrier absolutely necessary, air power at sea is required here and now: Navy Chief PTI Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Karambir Singh Synopsis The acquisition of a third carrier – India has the INS Vikramaditya in service and the INS Vikrant under construction – has been a sore...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    They would also need aircrafts to fill them as well. And aircraft carriers are more expensive and precious ships to lose to. AC sinkers like submarines and destroyers need more investments than ACs.
  18. Indx TechStyle

    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    We neither have sufficient budget to spend on a costly project stalling all other nor sufficient time to wait even much longer for this ship. Best option is to developed another 40-50k displacement aircraft carrier with an aim to commission it with minimal deplays like Vikrant. Expertise in...
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    INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

    First get enough planes. I don't think we have enough even for Vikrant we are going to commission very soon. Leave alone for a supercarrier with large deck.
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