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I know who's stuff is half-baked that you feel the need to change argument at every turn. My initial argument: The Ka-226 deal is political. And you begin your baseless argument like this: > "There is unique requirement for twin engine helo", and when unable to prove that... > "It's for...

I know very well who doesn't know sh!t and constantly tries to divert the topic because of that :laugh: LOL, so what about the ship itself? Or what about the Kuznetsov that constantly keeps breaking down every other month? Another example of superb Russian engineering? Do you know why we...

Ah, you're back for more kicking. Good, I was getting bored. Keep telling yourself that. There's a difference between owning & having leverage. Russia doesn't own us, but it sure has a LOT of leverage. Enough leverage that they can sell us a rustbucket of a ship for over $2 billion...

Lol, so its possible to buy this because of politics but not Ka226. Yea right :crazy: Own my sh!t? Dude, I owned you !! :rotfl: Yeah in your dreams. Whatever helps you sleep at night unkul. This is getting funny now. That's where the difference is! They actually selected Rafale as L1...

Lol, by who. Nobody give a damn about what some other country order. Their requirements are different & their politics are different. Already explained in detail what was the dynamic here. If you can't be bothered to understand the real story, that's your problem. Lol, ok then. Show me in...

No, but I wonder if @abingdonboy does.

Lol, as of now even Ka226 is a big fat 0 whether its for LUH or NUH. At least HAL LUH actually got order for 6 airframes. https://swarajyamag.com/defence/iaf-to-procure-six-indigenous-light-utility-helicopters-heres-everything-you-should-know-about-it So don't talk about "for now". The only...

No. of ALH inducted in Armed Forces - 300+ No. of Ka226 inducted in Armed Forces - 0 https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/hal-rolls-out-300th-advanced-light-helicopter-dhruv-ground-run-of-lch-also-done/articleshow/78385543.cms?from=mdr It's not a proposal, its an official RFI...

I'm the one making up stuff? Arey forget Navy NUH. They're competition not getting anywhere and right now their looking at leasing Airbus Panther. Nope, such terrible comparison. :pound: What next? You will imply LUH and Mi-17 are in same class? The point is, the RFI was perfectly okay...

What I wanted was for us to have 384 utility helos of a single type. When it is crystal-clear that neither IAF nor AAC stipulated any requirement for a twin-engine helo, it is pointless to procure a costlier helo for fulfilling the role which as per RFI could have been done by a cheaper one...

Lol, thanks for showing your true colours. It was never about there being 2 distinct requirements that could only be fulfilled by 2 different types. It was just about drooling over any non-HAL product. :laugh: I've been critical of DPSUs in my own right, but never so mindlessly as this.

Then buy all 384 Ka226 :pound: Talking about buying 2 platforms for same role and asking me to raise worthy argument. Huh.

Elementary english? Are you understanding elementary anything? If you fail to see how these acquisitions hurt IAF (mostly made in IG's years), its a waste of time to talk with you. I already gave the perfect examples: What you are proposing with buying 2 types of helo to perform the same role...

So if the twin-engine thing is not even that important then what's the point in buying 2 types doing same role :rotfl: Should we also buy... Rafale AND Typhoon Su-30 AND F-15 Tejas Mk2 AND Gripen E Mi-28 AND Apache ...and so on? You must be joking, or thinking we are Qatar, or think money...

Arey I'm asking how many VIP helos do you need because you were proposing VIP transport as a possible role for twin engine helo. I'm asking why you need Ka226 for VIP role when you already have proven twin engine helo for that role? The problem is that you are not addressing the core LUH...

Oh you need 200 helos for VIP transport? Are we transporting whole of Lok Sabha? And forgetting twin-engine ALH which is capable of transporting personnel & load even to Siachen? And which has repeatedly proven to be much more crashworthy and in terms of crew survivability than any Russian...

Sorry but this is not how requirements are stipulated. You're making up things as you go. You will find many advantages of Ka226 over LUH if you look, similarly you'll find many advantages of Mi-26 and Mi-28 over CH-47 and AH-64 respectively. But that does not justify purchase of both. Are...

The former.

I would substitute the word obsession with compulsion. ALH rotors do fold (but not under power, have to be done manually, I think I read something about this being mitigated, not sure don't quote me on that), even the tail-folding is currently being demonstrated to IN. Any arguments...

True - but not of the kind you mention below: None of these deals are capable of changing the strategic balance in the region, even the RD93s powering JF-17s don't, and Russia would never sell/lease anything to Pak that will do so (like nuclear submarines or ballistic missile tech). This I...