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  1. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Maybe. Maybe not. US products are war proven. Chinese ones absolutely not. See the results of west weapons in Ukraine, versus non exported russian ones.... And China weapons remained of a russian inspiration, if not more.
  2. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    By using a less rich powder booster, or with less powder in the booster. But the difference in range (145km vs 300km) is indeed a BS news. In the west it is common to see an export weapon or weapon system but 10 to 20% less capacity. Never a cut of 50%. But China is not the west....
  3. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Are they russian made engine or chinese copy ?
  4. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Maybe now, but tomorrow? It's not so complicated.
  5. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    The chinese offer was the less costly and with the higher ToT.
  6. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Not in combat, but in several field tests, againt supersonic targets, and with electronic counter measures used.
  7. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Indeed, but if I have to go to war, I will take in this order : 1) A weapon war proven, 2) A weapon tested by several customers in differents field tests, 3) A weapon tested only by a single country, not know to be a world wide technical leader
  8. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Meteor is the whole european missile industry state of the art missile. It was heavily tested by at least 4 country. Its seeker for exemple is of the same family than MICA RF or ASTER. ASTER was used to destroy supersonic missile under heavy electronic counter measures.
  9. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    The chinese HQ9 groud to air missile on proposal in Turkey was a copy and paste of S300.... and once again, nothing war tested.
  10. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    What is the real efficience of PL15 ? As all chinese weapons, they are not war proven.
  11. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    JF17 is mainly a point defense fighter, low cost. It's nice for defense of a small country as Pak. China needs more range fighter, because they are preparing offensive actions, and because the country is huge. A small J10 batch in the Pak air force is something natural. JF17-J10 is a low/med...
  12. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    It is more a point defense fighter. It may act as an interceptor but as a F104 : with short logs. As LCA is.
  13. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    JF-17 is the last son of Mig21. Not a bad plane (I only speak of the frame + engine combo. We know nothing about the weapon system), but a short leg nearly made for point defense only. You can try to compare it to M2000, but never to Rafale. They played in two very differents league.
  14. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Easy ! you just use your radar in emission far less ! Except, in some extent, with GaN, there is no magical solution to avoid heat. P = RI² , even in China.
  15. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    It's a proof of the strange game that the russian are playing ! - selling MiG and Su to India, - delivering engine to Pk.
  16. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    How were indians able to mesure the RDC of very secret chinese planes? All this kind of planes are flying during peace time with a Fresnel lens...
  17. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    I didn't underestimate it ! I just found it is late. Some years ago, I thought about an Indian-french deal : some tejas for the french air force (so as to replace old Mirage F1 and Mirage 2000 to operate in Africa or for peace time air defense mission over France) against Rafale for India...
  18. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    and of course you have a source. Please give it.
  19. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    OK. You are patriotic, and it's a quality. So I will follow the great history of the smaller fighter of the world, F22 like potent. :pound:
  20. BON PLAN

    JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

    Absolutely not. Just to say that india made a big mistake developping simultaneously a new frane AND a new engine. Just to say that the LCA program was never short and full of success as some said and wrote it. Just to say that it takes time but you will success developping an aero industry.
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