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  1. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    That is not what 5-10 means. It meant combined number of NGD & NGF could be somewhere between 5 and 10. But this was a very vague estimate with huge bracket. By no means is 10 vessels to be treated as upper cap for NGD+NGF combined. This was ofcourse several years before the numbers of NGD were...
  2. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    NGD requirement is for either 5 or 6 as per MDL chairman (says 5 in transcript but 6 in media interaction). NGF, no idea yet. My thoughts on that: https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/indian-navy-developments-discussions.2/page-441#post-2130562
  3. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    Yes and as per currently expected timeline (according to MDL chairman) the first NGD build could start by ~2028-2029. So 3-4 years of idle time.
  4. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    As I said multiple times before, by mid-2030s. No idea - current plans will have both MDL & GRSE sitting with unutilized major surface combatant-building capacity for about ~4 years time. Result of terrible planning, piecemeal orders, and delays. Unless some miracle happens like additional...
  5. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    Kolkata, Vizag both draw their lineage from Delhi-class which has same propulsion layout (older Zorya turbines) because Soviets had a big hand in its design & development. This is the only reason why our DDGs continue to use said Zorya turbines. Our frigates on the other hand were always...
  6. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    NOTE: It may actually be 6 x ships.
  7. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    If we go for Rolls Royce MT30 turbines with IEP, then 100% the p15 design lineage will HAVE to be junked. If we stick with Zorya-Mashproekt turbines, then no.
  8. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    of what? bhai please provide context :tongue:
  9. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    An interesting tid-bit regarding the NGD that I've missed so far...from the Mazagon Dock Ltd. (MDL) investors' conference call transcript: The current requirement seems to be for 5 x ships of the NGD class. In conceptual stage as of June 2021. Program estimated worth Rs. 50,000 crores ($6.7...
  10. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    Rocket motor vs Ramjet - not fair. More apt comparison would be ESSM vs QRSAM or VL-SRSAM...but strangely, the data on the latter is very sparse.
  11. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    People seem to view a 10-13,000 ton ship as some exceedingly rare asset that only two or three countries have. The reality is far different. This is actually going to be the standard for the top-end main surface combatants of a lot of Navies. List of countries that already have Combatants in...
  12. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    Made a thread on Twitter regarding my 'vision' for NGD, incorporating stuff from previous posts of mine on this thread, plus some new additions.
  13. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    Then let's obfuscate :hat:
  14. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    Bhai ye kya laga rakha hai. What does it matter what its called, what matters is what capabilities it delivers. First of all, we have no confirmed information regarding how big it will be (only source mentioning displacement is IDRW which is sh!t-tier as far as defence sources go). Second of...
  15. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    They will more than likely have BMD - which means long-range/high-altitude SAMs & a powerful radar. Not ballistic missiles. Even if you can find the space for it, 1-2 BMs are next to useless against any type of target (ship or land) unless carrying nuclear warheads. There are enough pics of...
  16. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    Far as I know, this is the first official word on true UVLS. If there was some news before, do let me know (unofficial word of mouth se kuch matlab nahi). Note that the term "UVLS" or "UVLM" was in use in Indian Navy parlance for a long time because of the L&T-built 'UVLM' module that sits on...
  17. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    Not sure if discussed earlier, but Interesting implications for NGD & NGF: from Page 61 of this, penned by Dr. Satheesh Reddy himself: http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/57797 Looks like what I "envisioned" :tongue: is indeed happening...
  18. Gessler

    P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

    16 individual cells of the Mk.41 vertical launch system for missiles. Each system can carry either 1 big missile or 4 smaller missiles (quad-packed). So the same set of 16 cells can be configured to carry either 16 Harpoon/Tomahawk type cruise missiles or 16 large surface-to-air missiles like...
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