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p2p, Should we even discuss the F22 anymore? The plane is dead. The assembly line was dismantled in 2011. Of the 180 odd in service nearly half the fleet is grounded to check for the the issues around raptor cough etc. I do not see the F 22 playing any active part in an American war doctrine as...

The Phaztron Zhuk AE has been around for 5 years now. Now please pass the peace pipe. You cant take it any more.

I thought I saw some vids on the 5th Gen fighter Pics thread. Or were they fake?

You just cant stand Russian success can you? :lol: Videos of the PAKFA weapons trials have already been posted. This plane is well on schedule if not ahead of it Armand. France does not even have a 5th Gen fighter apart from your bragging that France plans to skip directly to 6th gen fighters...