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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    The difference is the non-terrorist follows the laws of war, which permit collateral damage as long as it's in proportion to the military advantage gained by the attack. You cannot attack just to "cause terror" and defeat a more powerful opponent. They also operate under international mandate...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    Actually we can go back in history using texts and soon using genetics we will be able to see just how many converted during periods of invasion or stronger enforcement of sharia (i.e. aurangzeb) etc. Many in the West are also converting out of Islam. By far the biggest contributions to...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    Oh cry me a river, the world is not at all silent on the burma situation. When a few hundred Muslims are killed, usually in communal violence (like Burma if you read carefully) its immediately called "genocide". When Israel even speaks of being a "Jewish state" it's immediately called...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    Bhagat Singh was not a real terrorist, he intentionally threw his bombs so they didn't kill anyone. The IRA were both terrorists and freedom fighters, like the Tamil Tigers. That they were the latter does not excuse using the tactics of the former. Terrorists are those who attempt to achieve...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    According to you there is nothing offensive, but it's not your choice what someone else finds offensive. My parents and many friends are Hindu, and they find it very much offensive when muslims talk about "idol worshippers" and destroy priceless idols. According to me drawing a Mohammed cartoon...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    I wouldn't feel any such shame, beliefs are a purely personal matter, it's none of my business if my friend/family wishes to change his or her beliefs. We live in the 21st century, not the 7th. As I've said, it doesn't matter to me what you choose to believe, in fact I'd prefer not even to...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    That's why I'm an atheist, I don't believe any religion is true. I think different religious texts may have philosophical and/or ethical insights, as do many non-religious philosophies but I don't "believe" or have "faith" in anything. You say some sensible things, but the problem is many...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    Regarding genetics, most studies show minimal contribution of recent persian/arab/turkish dna to modern Pakistanis. The subcontinental genome is roughly 50/50 split of two ancestral groups that merged from around 3500bc to 500bc. It's graded from north-west to south-east, so Punjabis, Rajputs...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    You seem like a sincere person, so I'll try to respond in kind. I didn't say that Islam doesn't teach the "oneness of God", I said that monotheism doesn't in practice mean "one god", it means "one religion". The Bhagavad Gita & other sanskrit texts claim the "oneness of God". But Islam goes...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    There is no such thing as "pure blood", every living human being, including the most "nordic" Norwegian and the most "negroid" Nigerian, exists on a continuum. We're all descendants of rape babies at some point over the last 200k years, so get over yourselves (both Indians and Pakis).
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    Ask yourself this: why is it that only Muslims living in non-Muslim countries, like India or the UK, get to have "multiple identities"?
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    I didn't say they'd return to "practicing" the pre-Islamic religion, I said it would open their eyes to a greater world of philosophy & thought. The problem with Islam and Christianity is that they claim to be a solution for everything, to have the answer to every question .. you don't need...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    Ideas aren't anyone's to own for themselves. Here's a quote from my favorite US president, Thomas Jefferson: "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    That's ok, let them start reading/following these ancient texts and it will help break the spell Islam has over them. Muslims think "one god, one prophet, one book", which is why they are so backward. If they read the vedas, which are far more sophisticated than the muslim texts, they will see...
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    Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

    Why do we need to "counter" this? Hopefully a few Pakis will look into it and realize their pre-islamic past was much grander. Perhaps they will be tempted to return to "jahiliya" and India can recruit them as subversive agents for our own purposes. Seems like a good development, much like...
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