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  1. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    It doesn't work because India is also nuclear power. So even when Pakistan faces another 1971 moment it will have hard choices to make to accept division of Pakistan or to accept nuclear annihilation at the hands of India. Given paki track record division is more likely. Nuclear is self...
  2. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    I agree with this response. May be I'm mis linking scale to policy response. But your view point raises certain deeper questions A) you said air strike / surgical strike will be part of cold start . I don't think that's true. What does cold start say about such random strikes by different...
  3. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Yes Pakistan is miscalculating since 1947 .that is why it's half the size now . It's terror strategy is also miscalculation as India grows unabated while Pakistan sinks deeper into hell of its own Making. I don't see India using cold start to attack Pakistan unless Pakistan pulls out something...
  4. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    And how does that fit with new narrative of " non military preemptive strike " on terrorist camps? How would whole IBG enter Pakistan and attack a non military target without engaging Pakistan military? That's why I questioned relevance of cold start today. At the very best presence of armed...
  5. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    None taken . I got carried away with lca topic. Cold start has been mentioned again and again after 2001 parliament attack stand off. It's been 20 years already. In fact Pakistan even claims that it developed and operationalized nasr missile to counter cold start. A doctrine towards which our...
  6. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Cold start is quite old doctrine now. It's original purpose was to thrust in Pakistan swiftly and brutally in case of s paki misadventure. Now after Uri and balakot we learn that paki aren't going to retaliate militarily. Paki won't give us an excuse for proper war. So the probability of cold...
  7. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Not really. Iaf wanted 126 mirages since 2003-04. That was always a separate requirement. Tejas delay only added to urgency of mmrca. Sent from my C103 using Tapatalk
  8. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Lca was supposed to be primarily air defence replacement for mig21. Multirole capacity is add on bonus. Yes rafale is much better for strike but that is in place of mig27 or jaguar. I still stand by my point iaf should have gone for 250 mk1/mk1a as complete replacement for mig21s. Anyway...
  9. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Now you shifted the goal post to stealth fighter and strategic bombers like B2. Well then rafale is useless too. So is everything which is not stealth. Sent from my C103 using Tapatalk
  10. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Threat has changed in terms of avionics , bvr missile and electronic warfare. And lca mk1a takes care of all of that. It also has air to air refueling for additional range. For ground strike standoff weapons have evolved which lca can fire with precision thus again reducing the need of extra...
  11. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Lca first flight was 2001. How was is supposed to be inducted in 1990s when the lca program wasn't even properly funded. For the sake of argument even if we inducted 1st lca in 2000 then 250 lca will be produced and inducted by 2010. And they will operate till 2040-50 with mid life upgrade...
  12. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Lca mk1)mk1a are perfect as they are . This usual criticism of their range and payload is nothing but excuse for import by iaf. Why does Tejas has 4 ton payload and 2000km ferry range and not f16 level 7ton , 3000km ?? Because it's a bloody small airframe! And who asked its size to be...
  13. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Nope there is no second strike without long endurance nuke submarine. All surface vessels will be decimated. US Russia China India all developed nuclear triad for same reason . Your understanding of nuclear warfare seems nascent. Sent from my C103 using Tapatalk
  14. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    That's all good. Now here is the problem. You will need to spend billions for any conventional match up with India. In your airforce 300 birds are 3rd gen ( mirage 3 &5 + f7 ) . Replacing them alone even with jf17 will cost 20 billion $. Also as indian BMD advances you will have to renew your...
  15. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    There is a difference in underestimating an enemy and looking at enemy position realistically . You don't go to war with a nuclear power just to support a failed state . Unless the failed state is worth risking your own existance . Chinese are not fools. War with India will be akin to soviet...
  16. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Indian forces outnumber Chinese at lac as of now. Chinese will have to amass massive numbers to put any kind of serious pressure on India . Regarding India ocean Chinese don't have a leg to stand here. As of now India overwhelmingly dominates any Chinese presence in indian ocean. Sent from my...
  17. IndianHawk

    India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

    Chinese when challenged directly at doklam chose to tuck tail. That they fill fight a battle to support Pakistan is a far fetched scenario. Also any analysis of Indo pal war must include financial cost on Pakistan. A war will cost billion dollars a day . For a short 7 day battle cost on...
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