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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    and preorder is not just a monetary payment it is also a commitment
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    when you say Su30MKI means Su30MKI complete with the same configuration as HAL built Su30MKI remember Dasault says it will charge extra for integrating Russian / Indian Missiles / weapons on 36 rafales that india wants to buy and that it WILL COSTr EXTRA and WILL PUSH UP DEAL PRICE here we...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    the point is even if it costs 440 crores by HAL in 2015 where as the 335 crore figure from russia is that of 2007 which is not omparable the comparable figures would be both of 2015 make that comparision do you have the Russian prrice for 2015 ?
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    see if a dea is made at 384 then there is no scope of escalation - esecially due to delay by supplier infact there is a penalty paid by HAL to IAF due to late delivery of Su30MKI the penalty amount was of some 100+ crores that is mentioned in last years CAG report My question is why are we...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    that is exactly the point the article is comparing Russain price from 2007 to HAL price of 2014 why ? to malign HAL and sying it is inefficient the september 2014 price of HAL for Su30MK was Rs 358 crores as per Def Min Manhar Parrikar which is almost teh same to what i have shown by...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    The CAG report ce=learly menitions swap of older M version Bird with newer version of Birds so it is not a simple case of old aircraft swap with new aircraft but there is a difference in version too which means upgrades these can be minor also such as EW pod , better display, layout...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    first and foremost you still dont get the point the article quotes Rs 225 crores as pricing of Su30MKI made in russian - BUT DOES NOT SAY IT WAS PRICING APPLICABLE IN 2007 At the same time the articel Quotes pricing of SU30MKI made by HAL as Rs 445 crores - which itself is wrong as Def Min...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    the CAG report very clearly mentions that the swap arrangment was for giving back the older M version (giving back means we were having them and we were exchanging them ) so there cannot be any confusion over what was the swap arrangement pl reread your own posts on CAG reports and the CAG...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    so you mean to say we gave back 40 Su30 M versions back to russia for not only FREE but essentially paid 25 crores more to them to take them back ? the report clearly says that it was a swapdeal where India gave back 40 m version and got latest Su30MKI version what was the buyback price for...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    ok so this cost 225 crores is for the Su30MKI supplied by russia for a batch of 40 SuMKI in 2007 you forget to account for 1 more thing in this - the buy back price of the older M version which was swapped with the new Su30MKI pl read the below "The price negotiation with the Russian...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    pl check it there was no offset policy in india at the time of Su30MKI deal the russian plant in india can be a part of contract commitments (instead of offsets) when we talk about costing what we talk about genreally is only the HAL plant that integrates SU30MKI at nasik (i dont know...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    bhai read and understand what is posted he never said 0 economy of scale what he said was he economy of scale applicable in russia is higher than that applicable in indian plant
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    cost will remain the same throughout the contract period (unless the contract allows for annual appreciation ot escalation ) the cost excalation has nothing to do with the no of years but with contract clauses india did not buy or contract 272 Su30MKI all at one go but they did so in...
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    reliance is involved in scams in each and every deal in the sector it operates in eg Oil & gas pertochem Telecom Power
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    the deal with russia for Su30MKI was signed at a time when offsets requirements were not a part of DPP so for Su30MKI there are no offsets what localisation / indigenisation you see is the result of contracted levels not offsets THE ABOVE IS MY OPINION
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    Manihar parrikar has said that Su30MKi costs rs 358 crore to IAF which means it is available to IAF at Rs 358 crores which means it is selling price of HAL & buying price of IAF which includes all mfg costs + taxes + licensce fees + profits of HAL
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    nobody has quoted sukhoi costs or HAL costs what they have quoted is costs to india / IAF = selling price of both sukhoi as well as HAL
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    the income tax is paid on the profits that the company makes if a company makes profit less than 18% of its turnover / sales then it pays MAT - minimum Alternate Tax- which is 20% of its turnover
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    HAL made a profit of 4400+ crores in 2013-2014 since then it has increased HAL paid a dividend of rs 885 crores to Govt of India in 2013 -14 and paid a DDT of 155 crores on this dividend on top of all taxes it paid the govt
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    Is HAL inefficient? Should Govt. split it?

    rs 358 crore is not the cost of manufacturing Su30mki it is the price at which HAL sells the su30MKI to govt second when a co pays a tax to govt that is recovered from the customer by increasing the price of product
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