ZDK-03 AWACS in Kashgar bounding for Pakistan

[niceguy2011]

we and Russian will wait to see how much more cash you will pay for it.LOL

Soon, We will be operating Novator K-100 (AWACS Killer) equipped with MKI. May be we are already operating ??

We can destroy Pakistan AWACS anywhere in Pakistan from our borders areas only as K-100 range would be 300 Km+

Novator K-100 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Galaxy]

we and Russian will wait to see how much more cash you will pay for it.LOL

We will be operating soon if not inducted yet.

What do you mean by YOU and RUSSIA ?? Russia won't sell such tech to you as you are known for Copy-Paste. We need such Missiles and Russia will get the price for that and in between Chinese/Pak AWACS will be destroyed in Air. Fair Enough deal for us as well as Russia.

 

[niceguy2011]

Do u like the fair deal with Russia for your aircraft carrier too?LOL

We will be operating soon if not inducted yet.

What do you mean by YOU and RUSSIA ?? Russia won't sell such tech to you as you are known for Copy-Paste. We need such Missiles and Russia will get the price for that and in between Chinese/Pak AWACS will be destroyed in Air. Fair Enough deal for us as well as Russia.

 

[mahesh]

we and Russian will like to see you pay cash for it.LOL

india and russia are funding & developing it, where you come in the middle ????
no one gives weapons freely or cheaply, by the way how is your cheap j-17, found any buyers?

 

[mahesh]

Do u like the fair deal with Russia for your aircraft carrier too?LOL

LOL comparing with other countries deals and relationship, the fair deal with Russia is always on the cards....

 

[Blackwater]

I think Niether Sir,.......They actually acquiring 4 for these AEW for 300Million, Big Discount!!

Turboprop aircrafts perfectly suits PAF requirments, The operating cost is less than Turbo Jets. The aircraft supplied to Pakistan reportedly are equipped with turboprop engines produced by Pratt & Whitney Canada in place of their Chinese counterparts.

Chinese sources claim that the KJ-200 and ZDK-03 have superior range compared to the Saab 2000

who will pay these 300 million. They dont have money to feed their own economy, their PIA has gone, railway is finished, steel mill has gone too.

despite of all those thing still this beggar country maintained its military arsenal..good going

 

[J20!]

Depends on test results suffered & calculated by Pakistanis.

Not true. We wouldn't treat our Pakistani brothers with such disdain. The KJ200 is already in service with the PLAN-AF but not in the rotodome configuration:

 

[p2prada]

This is based on the Y-8, so we can say in terms of upgrade capability it can match the Erieye. But without knowing the specs and number of operator consoles, there is nothing we can say about it. So, any specs out yet? At least we know this one does 360deg every few seconds unlike the Dorsal fin arrangement on Erieye, so that's an advantage.

we and Russian will like to see you pay cash for it.LOL

People were rubbishing it existed in the first place. One K-100 will be cheaper than the aircraft. So, don't worry about costs. If the K-100 brings down the ZDK, then the return of investment will be greater than 300 times.

 

[J20!]

This is based on the Y-8, so we can say in terms of upgrade capability it can match the Erieye. But without knowing the specs and number of operator consoles, there is nothing we can say about it. So, any specs out yet? At least we know this one does 360deg every few seconds unlike the Dorsal fin arrangement on Erieye, so that's an advantage.

This craft is based on the Y-9 which differs from the Y-8. Couldn't find any specs on the AWACS's platform, but this is what I could find on the Y-9:

Yun-9 (Y-9) Multipurpose Transport Aircraft - SinoDefence.com

At the September 2005 International Aviation Expo held in Beijing, Shaanxi Aircraft Industry (Group) Co. Ltd unveiled its Y-9 multi-purpose transport aircraft design. A substantial redesign of the Shaanxi Y-8 (Chinese copy of the An-12 Cub), the aircraft was initially revealed to the public at the 2002 Zhuhai Air Show under the name of Y-8X concept transport. It is said to be comparable to the U.S. Lockheed Martin C-130J transport in general performance.

The development of the Y-8X began in 2001 to meet the requirements of the PLA Air Force for a capable and advanced medium-size tactical transport aircraft to replace the ageing Y-8. The project aims to develop a multi-purpose turboprop transport aircraft that approaches or in some aspects exceeds the performance of the U.S. C-130J. The development is believed to have been assisted by The Ukraine-based Antonov Aeronautical Scientific-technical Complex (ASTC) aircraft company.

During the 2005 Beijing International Aviation Expo, Shaanxi revealed more details about the Y-8X, now re-designated Y-9. Compared to the Y-8, the new aircraft features a more spacious cargo cabin, fast loading/uploading system, improved WJ-6C turboprop engines, six-blade propellers, and a "glass cockpit". The aircraft can be used for both military and civil flights.

The Y-9 's wings are high-mounted with four turboprop engines mounted under the wings' leading edges. The aircraft utilises six-blade JL-4 propellers made of composite materials. The rear cargo door, which also serves as a ramp, allows cargo to be quickly loaded/unloaded. The tail flats and fin are mounted high. The aircraft has a two-wheel nose landing gear and two four-wheel main landing gears.

The payload requirement of the Y-9 includes a range of military vehicles, helicopters, cargo containers, pallets, and paratroopers. The Y-9 can air-drop paratroops and equipment either by parachute or gravity extraction. It can perform wither single or multiple airdrops of paratroopers and cargo. The aircraft can carry nine international standard pallets of 108'' X 88'' or eight 125'' X 96'', or 132 armed paratroopers.

Specifications

Flight crew: 4
Cargo cabin size: (length/width/height) 16.2m/3.2m/2.35m
Empty weight: 39,000kg
Maximum take-off weight: 77,000kg
Overloading take-off weight: 81,000kg
Payload: Normal 25,000kg; Maximum 30,000kg; or 132 armed paratroopers; or vehicles and weapons
Cruising speed: 600~650km/h
Cruising altitude: 9,000m
Range: Ferry range with max payload 7,800km
Flight endurance: 12 hours

 

[J20!]

Apparently this system is very different to the KJ200 used by the PLAAF and PLAN-AF. The ZDK-03 has a back to back rotating AESA array like the latest E-2. it was develped by Hefei not 14th Institute in Nanjing, where 2000 and 200 systems are developed.

I'm guessing that the KJ200 must be way too similar to the Erieye and the KJ2000 is just too ambitious for the PAF, being too big and too expensive for their liking, so the ZDK-03 is a good compromise, with back-to-back, rotating, large AESA's, it is said to have a larger detection range than the Erieye, a platform for the Pakistanis to build on in the long term.

With 4 Erieyes to work with their mirage's, F16's, F7's and the 4 ordered ZDK-03 to work with their 250+ plus planned JF17 block 1's and 2's, the Pakistanis have a very balanced AWACS inventory. Maybe they'll even increase ZDK-03 numbers, who knows, they must be very affordable relative to capability.

 

[sayareakd]

Apparently this system is very different to the KJ200 used by the PLAAF and PLAN-AF. The ZDK-03 has a back to back rotating AESA array like the latest E-2. it was develped by Hefei not 14th Institute in Nanjing, where 2000 and 200 systems are developed.

I'm guessing that the KJ200 must be way too similar to the Erieye and the KJ2000 is just too ambitious for the PAF, being too big and too expensive for their liking, so the ZDK-03 is a good compromise, with back-to-back, rotating, large AESA's, it is said to have a larger detection range than the Erieye, a platform for the Pakistanis to build on in the long term.

With 4 Erieyes to work with their mirage's, F16's, F7's and the 4 ordered ZDK-03 to work with their 250+ plus planned JF17 block 1's and 2's, the Pakistanis have a very balanced AWACS inventory. Maybe they'll even increase ZDK-03 numbers, who knows, they must be very affordable relative to capability.

what you are saying in bold part is that PAF is not mature enough and incapable of handle KJ2000, because of their inexperience and immaturity. Plus they dont have money to afford any first rate AWAC therefore this platform (of their standard) for their third world airforce long with JF 17 and other aircraft they will have somewhat balance force. (in simple English)

 

[J20!]

what you are saying in bold part is that PAF is not mature enough and incapable of handle KJ2000, because of their inexperience and immaturity. Plus they dont have money to afford any first rate AWAC therefore this platform (of their standard) for their third world airforce long with JF 17 and other aircraft they will have somewhat balance force. (in simple English)

Don't twist my words. What I'm saying is, the Pakistani air force went for a system that is more capable than the Erieye, with much more room for growth, rather than going for 4 KJ2000's which are much larger and much more expensive. I'm sure the Pakistan Air Force is more than capable of operating the KJ2000, but would its acquisition, operation and maintenance costs justify not going for a less capable, more affordable system that could be bought in bulk? Could they afford to buy 4 brand new KJ2000 systems?

 

[p2prada]

So, this has 2 arrays on the Y-9 and it rotates. So, yeah it is similar to the E-2D. Any idea about the arrays? Specs and stuff. It will be difficult to obtain this but there could be something known already. At least how many operator consoles in the PAF version.

 

[sayareakd]

Don't twist my words. What I'm saying is, the Pakistani air force went for a system that is more capable than the Erieye, with much more room for growth, rather than going for 4 KJ2000's which are much larger and much more expensive. I'm sure the Pakistan Air Force is more than capable of operating the KJ2000, but would its acquisition, operation and maintenance costs justify not going for a less capable, more affordable system that could be bought in bulk? Could they afford to buy 4 brand new KJ2000 systems?

I'm guessing that the KJ200 must be way too similar to the Erieye and the KJ2000 is just too ambitious for the PAF, being too big and too expensive for their liking, so the ZDK-03 is a good compromise, with back-to-back, rotating, large AESA's, it is said to have a larger detection range than the Erieye, a platform for the Pakistanis to build on in the long term.

You are the one who said it not me. It is used in negative sense, they cannot reach the stage were they can operate that platform, if this is not the case then PRC would have granted the wish of PAF.

 

[J20!]

So, this has 2 arrays on the Y-9 and it rotates. So, yeah it is similar to the E-2D. Any idea about the arrays? Specs and stuff. It will be difficult to obtain this but there could be something known already. At least how many operator consoles in the PAF version.

That's all I got friend. The only info I have left is a few tidbits on the KJ200, but it's in the PLAN-AF inventory and is unrelated to the ZDK-03. Will keep looking though.

 

[J20!]

You are the one who said it not me. It is used in negative sense, they cannot reach the stage were they can operate that platform, if this is not the case then PRC would have granted the wish of PAF.

You're hell bent on making the PAF look bad aren't you? The KJ2000 is too ambitious for the PAF in MONETARY TERMS. Plus, there are no reports of the PAF having a request for the KJ2000 denied. They simply don't have the funds for it. If you can operate the P3c Orion and the ZDK-03, surely operating the KJ2000 isn't too much of a stretch with PLAAF training at hand.

 

[sayareakd]

You're hell bent on making the PAF look bad aren't you? The KJ2000 is too ambitious for the PAF in MONETARY TERMS. Plus, there are no reports of the PAF having a request for the KJ2000 denied. They simply don't have the funds for it. If you can operate the P3c Orion and the ZDK-03, surely operating the KJ2000 isn't too much of a stretch with PLAAF training at hand.

If Pakistan can afford nuclear weapons by eating grass when on earth you think they cannot afford your KJ 2000 by drinking water only. They have worlds fastest growing nuclear weapons programme. Surely they can afford to get some planes with radar.

 

[J20!]

If Pakistan can afford nuclear weapons by eating grass when on earth you think they cannot afford your KJ 2000 by drinking water only. They have worlds fastest growing nuclear weapons programme. Surely they can afford to get some planes with radar.

Its simple. Every millitary works within a budget. Could the PAF have been able to buy 4 KJ2000 systems for the same money they bought the 4 ZDK-03 systems for? No. Even China only operates 5 KJ2000 systems thus far. It has nothing to do with being a "third world airforce" as you so eloquently put it, just economics. With the ZDK-03 they reallly are a ballanced modern airforce.

 

[Drsomnath999]

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well the diffrence is 360 degree view advantage for the latter

the detection range may also vary for latter

 

[Drsomnath999]

So, this has 2 arrays on the Y-9 and it rotates. So, yeah it is similar to the E-2D. Any idea about the arrays? Specs and stuff. It will be difficult to obtain this but there could be something known already. At least how many operator consoles in the PAF version.

buddy specs can be manipulated ,like detection range ????
so can u trust it