Zardari's Visit to India

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Pak media reports: Bilawal Bhutto invited Rahul Gandhi to Pak which he accepted. Dates not finalized. Bilawal says would like to involve youth towards peace :rofl:

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Zardari invited Indian cricket team to Pakistan, PM was positive but said respective cricket boards need to work it out: Sources

Pakis want their azzes handed back to them again in pureland itself :rofl:
Conversation between Rahul and Bilal.

Bilal:- my dad is known as Mr 10%

Rahul:- Ha, my dad ate it all.

Bilal:- My mother was PM

Rahul:- My mother controls it all, PM, President, Defence. He has the remote.
 

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All the talks about his visit is not going to produce any favourable result for our Bharatvarsh unless they meet our demands. That is during each and every official level visit we should demand the with drawl of Pakistani forces from occupied territories and handing over of each and every terrorists including PA and ISI thugs for their trial in India. Till these to basic demands are met no agreement on Visas, trade or cricket diplomacy. Their policies change with change of Government and it depends on flavour of the month.
 

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NDTV on the luncheon banquet

...a cuisine brought about by a shared Mughal heritage...
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We need our own Razzie Awards..for media
 

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Omar Abdullah tweeted that Kashmir is off the agenda.
So no 4 point formula, Siachen for discussion
 

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India links progress in ties with Pak action against Saeed, others - India - DNA

Linking the progress in bilateral ties to Pakistan taking action against Hafiz Saeed and others responsible for Mumbai terror attacks, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Sunday plainly told President Asif Ali Zardari that this was important for normalisation of relations between the two neighbours.

Zardari, who made a stopover in the capital for little over two hours on his way to pilgrimage to Ajmer, heard from Singh a reiteration of India's commitment to engage with Pakistan but was left in no doubt that action on terrorism was an essential step towards that.

Singh brought up the issue of terrorism "affront" and activities of LeT founder Hafiz Saeed, mastermind of 26/11 terror strikes in Mumbai, on whom the US announced a $10 million bounty although Pakistani leader had said in Lahore yesterday that he did not expect Singh "will make me sit (and discuss only) this issue."

"Taking up the issue of terrorism, the Prime Minister told Zardari that it was imperative that perpetrators of the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack be brought to justice and prevent activities aimed against India from Pakistani soil. He also discussed the activities of Hafiz Saeed," Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai told reporters here.

"The problem of terrorism which is a major issue by which the Indian people will judge progress in bilateral relationship," Mathai quoted Singh as having told Zardari.

The 40-minute one-on-one meeting between the two leaders covered a wide gamut of bilateral, regional and global issues and in brief comments to the media, Singh and Zardari termed their talks as "constructive" and "fruitful" where they agreed to continue with step-by-step approach in addressing issues like Kashmir, Siachin and Sir Creek among other matters.

Singh played host to Zardari and his son Bilawal along with few other members of 40-strong entourage at his Race Course Road residence.

External Affairs Minister SM Krishna, Home Minister P Chidambaram, Rahul Gandhi, BJP leaders LK Advani and Sushma Swaraj and Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik were among the 20 guests at the lunch.
 

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Ejaz they are saying this is a private visit
Well they are saying its a private visit because they don't want any declaration or MoUs signed after this meet.

From what Najam Sethi has been saying on this in his last few shows, there is almost full PA/ISI backing (after lots and lots of lobbying by the Pakistani business community) to open up trade and give full MFN status to India. The details will be finalised by November/December and it will require a ministerial or PM level visit to sign it into place. According to Sethi, he felt that this was a big "gift" for India for which Zardari would be asking the signing of agreements on Siachen / Sir Creek.

But from the reports, it seems that the PM has basically pushed back and said some action on the Mumbai terror attacks has higher priority and that without action on that, he will not visit Pakistan. It remains to be seen what Zardari can offer on that.
 

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Well they are saying its a private visit because they don't want any declaration or MoUs signed after this meet.

From what Najam Sethi has been saying on this in his last few shows, there is almost full PA/ISI backing (after lots and lots of lobbying by the Pakistani business community) to open up trade and give full MFN status to India. The details will be finalised by November/December and it will require a ministerial or PM level visit to sign it into place. According to Sethi, he felt that this was a big "gift" for India for which Zardari would be asking the signing of agreements on Siachen / Sir Creek.

But from the reports, it seems that the PM has basically pushed back and said some action on the Mumbai terror attacks has higher priority and that without action on that, he will not visit Pakistan. It remains to be seen what Zardari can offer on that.
That means this whole visit is futile
 

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India's MEA on youtube!

The first one by the Foreign Secretary has more "real" info


 
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That means this whole visit is futile
Well depends on what the objectives were. Maybe Zardari had some secret message to deliver to India which he wanted to do personally. It could be anything because he had also requested a 1 on 1 - no note takers/scribes for 1 hour with MMS.

For all we know he could be talking about doing a Gorbachev on Pakistan with India's help. He has been given a tough time by the Pakistani Punjabi establishment and both his son and he himself have made some very provocative statements castigating the Punjabi establishment just before coming to India.
 

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Well depends on what the objectives were. Maybe Zardari had some secret message to deliver to India which he wanted to do personally. It could be anything because he had also requested a 1 on 1 - no note takers/scribes for 1 hour with MMS.
It depends on the info may be something about delivering Gilgit-Baltistan to us to some personal one sided favour
For all we know he could be talking about doing a Gorbachev on Pakistan with India's help. He has been given a tough time by the Pakistani Punjabi establishment and both his son and he himself have made some very provocative statements castigating the Punjabi establishment just before coming to India.
Doing a Gorbachev is simply not possible in Pakistan.Now a confidential one on one is intresting
 

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Apologies, it seems that it was the Indian side that requested the 1 on 1
No structured agenda for Zardari-Singh meeting | The Nation
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Indian sources said this meeting at the PM's Race Course Road residence has been arranged at New Delhi's insistence and Islamabad readily agreed to the prime minister's suggestion. This opens up the possibility for a 'more candid conversation', they said. More so when there is no 'agenda', no outcome documents to be signed.
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Well depends on what the objectives were. Maybe Zardari had some secret message to deliver to India which he wanted to do personally. It could be anything because he had also requested a 1 on 1 - no note takers/scribes for 1 hour with MMS.

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@Ejazr n others what is meeting with 1-to-1have . does PM shares details of his meeting with cabinet , Foreign Secretary ,cocern ministries . what happens when PM OF INDIA CHANGES . does outgoing pm shares with incoming PM
 

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I believe Zardari has made a huge contribution at Ajmer Sharif.
 

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From what Najam Sethi has been saying on this in his last few shows, there is almost full PA/ISI backing (after lots and lots of lobbying by the Pakistani business community) to open up trade and give full MFN status to India.
Could the active trade and business become a medium for China to indirectly dump its shitload into India via Pakistan?
Sorry I'm not very good in these Trade and Business things. Just want to understand the possible risks for us.

I believe Zardari has made a huge contribution at Ajmer Sharif.
Pata nahi kyu Ajmer ja ke sab Sharif ban jate hai :laugh: :laugh:

Regards,
Virendra
 
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Let us not have any expectations on any big announcements in the next 2 years, assuming UPA II gets to complete its term. This being the last year of the PPP in government in Pakistan, and then next year being the last year for UPA II, any thing significant is not happening on Indo-Pak front, and definitely nothing on Siachen.

Apologies, it seems that it was the Indian side that requested the 1 on 1
Had GoP asked for such an arrangement, it would have raised a lot of eye brows within the Pakistani establishment, and would have sent the alarm bells ringing but coming from GoI, it would raise some eyebrows there but not many. We can be reasonably sure the call came in private from Zardari's confidants and GoI then asked for such an arrangement, the need is on part of Zardari and PPP to have such a dialogue in private than the Indian side looking for such a dialogue.
 

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Hafiz Saeed, and the perils of Indo-Pak 'tandoor' diplomacy

MMS and others of his generation including LK Advani, have a fatal attraction for their `janmabhoomi`, let us hope MMS et al do not make any foolish gestures/concessions.

Hafiz Saeed, and the perils of Indo-Pak 'tandoor' diplomacy

Among the constituency of the liberal peaceniks, there is a wistful longing for India to break bread (or, more appropriately, tandoori roti) with Pakistan at whatever cost. The ISI and the Pakistani military may be waging proxy war in Kashmir and elsewhere, but these bleeding hearts will hold candle-light vigils at Wagah and let out soulful sighs over what might have been. And, worse, they will blame Indian officialdom for failing to make the effort to make magnanimous peace with the "younger brother".

The news that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will host visiting Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari for lunch on Sunday has given cause for yet more misplaced bhai-bhai bonhomie. In their exuberance, they have overlooked the fact that even as the lunch menu is being drawn up, everyone from Pakistan's Prime Minister to its opposition leaders is speaking up in defence and borderline praise of Hafiz Saeed, the Lashkar-e-Taiba chief who masterminded the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks along with his Pakistani handlers.


Lasting peace must await a time when Pakistan stops sponsoring jihadi snakes like Hafiz Saeed.
Their defence comes in the context of the US announcement of a $10 million bounty for information that will lead to the trial and conviction of Saeed, which came barely days ahead of Zardari's visit. That US announcement was, of course, inconvenient for peaceniks, but it didn't take the bounty offer to show up the Pakistani establishment's double dealing on terrorism, particularly in relation to the LeT and Saeed.

Saeed is, as commentator Sadanand Dhume observes in the Wall Street Journal, the Pakistan army's favourite jihadist. Retired officers of elite Pakistani army units, including the Special Services Group, train LeT, who is prized as an "asset" in Pakistan's proxy war on India. LeT training camps are located near Pakistan army bases, and both the Army and the LeT recruit from pretty much the same villages.

India has long sought the arrest and trial of Saeed for his role in the Mumbai attacks, but Pakistani authorities have resisted anything but the most cosmetic – and fleeting – action, which mostly manifested itself in periodic bouts of showpiece house arrests.

If there is one hurdle to normalisation of relations between India and Pakistan, it is the latter's cussed and continued support for terror groups directed at India. The near-unanimity of political support within Pakistan for Saeed, who only on Friday gave a call for jihad against America, establishes that anti-Indian sentiment runs deep. Ironically, even leaders of the party of Imran Khan, the man whom Indian peaceniks see as the Great Hope for Indo-Pak reconciliation, have come out in support of Saeed. "If anything happens to Saeed (arising from the US bounty offer), every Pakistani will become a Saeed," one thundered on Friday.

It is doubtless true that in recent years, the Pakistani civilian administration, which is waging its own battle with the ISI and the military establishment at home, has toned down its rhetoric on Kashmir in international fora – much to the agony of secessionist leaders like Syed Ali Shah Geelani (he of the "Hum Pakistani hai, Pakistan hamara hai" fame). Yet, so long as Pakistani leaders, from the Prime Minister downward, speak up in defence of venomous jihadi terrorists like Saeed – and the Pakistani military-ISI establishment breeds terrorists for use against India – any talk of peace in the near term is reckless.

Writing in the Indian Express on Friday, Sanjaya Baru, who served as media advisor to Manmohan Singh for four years from 2004, recalls how his intervention in 2005 changed the government's mind on inviting President Pervez Musharraf (who was angling for an invitation to witness a cricket match in Delhi). Baru's point – on the need to downplay the importance of visits by the leaders of both India and Pakistan – is well made. But when he cites the example of Europe, where heads of government travel to each other's capital without too much protocol, he oversimplifies the problem. Indicatively, if any of those European states were actively sponsoring terrorist groups to carry out attacks on another's territory and people, it would hardly create an atmosphere conducive for congenial visits.

The John Lennon-esque "imagine there's no country" sentiment for peace has a certain romantic quality to it. But the yearning for lasting peace must await a time when, at the very least, Pakistan no longer spawns terrorist snakes like Hafiz Saeed in its backyard – and slips them across the border.

When Manmohan Singh hosts Zardari for lunch on Sunday, one hopes that in his eagerness to secure his legacy as a peacemaker, he doesn't overreach himself – in the way he did at Sharm-el-Sheikh. If he would only spare a thought for the victims of the Mumbai attacks and other jihadi monstrosities that Pakistan has unleashed in India, he would surely choke on his tandoori roti.
 

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does PM shares details of his meeting with cabinet , Foreign Secretary ,cocern ministries .
MMS Singh does not share anything with his Ministers or others because he is a shy chaps.

That is why he loves to listen and be told what to do!
 

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He looks so happy. Did he win something today ?
 

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