Z++ security for Rs 1,900 crore Shivaji statue

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  1. Bangalorean

    Bangalorean Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    I am the last person who can be called even remotely "socialist". Abusing jholawalas is in my blood.

    I am talking of a purely capitalistic principle. Every investment should have a "return". The return is usually monetary, for most investments - but it can take other forms also, such as instilling pride among people, knowledge of history, etc.

    With this statue, there are two things that you are expecting to achieve as "returns":

    1. Tourism revenue: This is a monetary return on investment. If it happens, great - it can only help. But I am quite certain that the baboons who run the tourism departments, the goons in the ASI and other govt. agencies, etc. will just not do anything of the sort. And this is precisely the same reason most PSUs end up as piles of unproductive shit - the babus can't even scratch their arse properly, let alone ensure promote a tourist attraction well, maintain it spic-and-span, and ensure footfalls. Look at the way they treat the Elephenta caves, nearby. Look at all the palaces, temples, forts, caves, sculptures, etc. all over the nation - behold what the baboons are doing to those national treasures.

    2. Intangible "revenue": Instilling pride in the people of Maharashtra about Shivaji. This is redundant, really - Shivaji is almost a God out there. Having this statue is not going to increase veneration for him anymore. Second point, about increasing awareness about Shivaji among Indians, and reflecting our history properly - of course that is required!! Will the statue achieve it? I don't think so. Will changes in our textbooks, and having a crop of interesting literature pertaining to our history, achieve it? Yes, I think it will.

    So, its all about the "RoI", which I feel, is not going to be worth the "investment". Neither tangible monetary returns, nor intangible returns.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with socialism.
     
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    abingdonboy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Of course. Every person that a university or hospital tangibly helps is a credit to Shivaji. A statue does no good for anyone,
     
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    if it was a small statue, it would mean nothing. since it is a 309 feet statue it would have the same effect as "Statue of liberty" of Newyork.
    And trust me on this , Maharashtrians and Mumbaikars love their Shivaji. It is better to allow them to build this now rather than 10 or 20 years later and there by cost become tripled or worse. They will anyway build it anyway, better to allow them to do it as they please.
     
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    Keep fighting for Maratha votes. No social good will come out of it.
     
  5. Mad Indian

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    But the point of tourism is not just about the tourism ministry though. The people who own the stalls, the travel agencies and a lot more people get employed in an informal way.

    Also, we should protect and preserve those national treasures, but no reason to not have more.

    And as I said, there is never really a right time for these things, there will never be a zero poverty point for us to wait. These things have a lot more "indirect benefits" and income generation than what is generally visible

    The thinking that govt should invest in schools and universities instead of monument building does arise from Socialism and thats why I said that we should get rid of all shades of socialism from our psyche.
     
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    Statue of Liberty, Mt. Rushmore etc of the USA does no good for anyone either. USA must have been run by morons at that time to have built something of that stature, instead of building Freedom university :rolleyes:

    Anyway, this is an interesting video on UK's monarchy-



    I hope that you get the parallel
     
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    You can stick your head into your own arse for all I care. Poverty IS relative and it is a fact. The entire middle class of India will fall below the poverty line as defined by the US. Do you think US govt with the level of socialist retards there could commission a project like Mt. Rushmore or Liberty Statue right now- when the US is several magnitudes richer than it was when those projects where conceived?


    SO ----ing what? They should earn their living. Govt and by extension, the hardworking middle class has no obligation to feed the unemployed drunk lowlives

    What do you know about India that you make such stupid claims? Do you know what the wage is here? What the unemployment here is? Have you ever dealt with the working class in India- the supposed poor here?

    Most of the poor these days are poor for a reason and that is not because of the govt's failure, If anytihng , the govt "benevolence" for those scum has only emboldened their sense of entitlement and has further ruined them and by extension India. What you people are suggesting is worsening the worst part of India further


    Later when? Poor will be defined as the no. of people who dont have cars and such in twenty years. So will the socialists rest then and allow monument building, which is a very important part of a nation's heritage?

    Strawman argument. I have said nothing about "idol worship"/"cult status"
     
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  8. Otm Shank2

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    30% of India lives in poverty is exactly why you need to create employment and give people reasonable waged jobs. This project will create scores of temp construction jobs then create scores of maintenance and hospitality jobs. I agree completely a statue alone would be a waste of money and land but creating jobs, strengthening your underdeveloped tourism industry and beautifying your cities are a better way to spend money than temporary unsustainable welfare schemes that hasn't worked for decades and turns poverty into a way of life.
     

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