World's largest solar park to light up Pakistan's future

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@Mad Indian - You make some good pseudo science now please allow me to enlighten you with some facts!
1) yes the earth has been through multiple cycles of cooling and heating however this is different.how you ask well read on!Also no matter what you say all reputed scientists agree that global warming is a fact today.
Earth has experienced climate change in the past without help from humanity. We know about past climates because of evidence left in tree rings, layers of ice in glaciers, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. For example, bubbles of air in glacial ice trap tiny samples of Earth’s atmosphere, giving scientists a history of greenhouse gases that stretches back more than 800,000 years. The chemical make-up of the ice provides clues to the average global temperature.
Using this ancient evidence, scientists have built a record of Earth’s past climates, or “paleoclimates.” The paleoclimate record combined with global models shows past ice ages as well as periods even warmer than today. But the paleoclimate record also reveals that the current climatic warming is occurring much more rapidly than past warming events.
As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.
Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.
In the local sphere you must have noticed the shifting patterns of the Monsoons and the global climate chaos, this is due to abnormal heating of ocean and wind currents(which by the way feed of each other), apart from these the rapidly increasing desertification of areas combined with receding glaciers and melting ice caps all point towards climate change and global warming being interrelated.
As far as the point raised by @ezsasa about Bangalore and Hyderbad and the change in climate in both cities, that is a completely different topic called UHI(Urban heat islanding) whish is only tertially related to global warming. simply put cities trap heat and the hotter it gets(due to global warming) the hotter cities get( in some case upto 2 degree hotter than the surrounding countryside).



2) Coming to the point you made about Carbon dioxide and Methane Levels and i quote
If you cook with wood inside your house , it will fill your house with smoke, CO2 and some poisonous gases like CO. But when that reaches the air, its concentration becomes so minuscule to affect the climate in any meaningful way. Thats my position now.
No you are wrong the levels are increasing far more rapidly than can be explained
Since the Industrial Revolution began in about 1750, carbon dioxide levels have increased nearly 38 percent as of 2009 and methane levels have increased 148 percent.This is not a minuscule increase by any parameter.We need to control CO2 levels and pronto.


3) You say that developing countries should not have to pay as big a price as developed nations, here i somewhat tend to agree with you. The developed world having caused the largest chunk of global warming must now help to pay for it there is no doubt on that.
There is no doubt on the fact that India and China have little choice but to use Fossil Fuels/Nuclear power as primary energy generation sources as solar/wind/tidal can be little more than a filler at the moment.I totally support using more nuclear Energy .Cold Fusion could be the Holy Grail we're all waiting for here.
However there is no easy solution out of this one simply because global warming while being global is localized as well. simply put if Germany has now turned many of their villages over to "Green energy" these areas will have a better climate than similar regions in India where we have a coal power station.This is due to localized heating and localized pollution around the plant.

4) You speak of Oceans being unaffected as the primary generator of Oxygen for the planet , however that too is under threat due to two totally differing reasons
a) Biological runoff from Farming zones enters oceans and creates a nutrient rich zone where algae and bacteria flourish causing a population explosion that depletes that local zone of oxygen, there are some 400 such zones worldwide today.
b) Scientists point to two reasons to expect a worldwide drop in ocean oxygen. One is the simple fact that as water gets warmer, it can hold less dissolved oxygen. The other reason is subtler. The entire ocean gets its oxygen from the surface — either from the atmosphere, or from photosynthesizing algae floating at the top of the sea. The oxygen then spreads to the deep ocean as the surface waters slowly sink.

Global warming is expected to reduce the mixing of the ocean by making surface seawater lighter. That’s because in a warmer world we can expect more rainfall and more melting of glaciers, icebergs, and ice sheets. Since freshwater is less dense than salt water, the water at the ocean’s surface will become lighter. The extra heat from the warming atmosphere will also make surface waters expand — and thus make them lighter still. The light surface water will be less likely to sink — and thus the deep ocean will get less oxygen. Instead, more of the oxygen will linger near the surface, where it will be used up by oxygen-breathing organisms.

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/a_looming_oxygen_crisis_and_its_impact_on_worlds_oceans/2301/
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/how_long_can_oceans_continue_to_absorb_earths_excess_heat/2860/
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/resilience_a_new_conservation_strategy_for_a_warming_world/2893/
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page2.php
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Energy-and-Environment/Climate-Change---The-Science/
https://www2.ucar.edu/news/how-much-has-global-temperature-risen-last-100-years
http://www.c2es.org/docUploads/India-FactSheet-09-08.pdf
 

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You make some good pseudo science now please allow me to enlighten you with some facts!
1) yes the earth has been through multiple cycles of cooling and heating however this is different.how you ask well read on!Also no matter what you say all reputed scientists agree that global warming is a fact today.
Earth has experienced climate change in the past without help from humanity. We know about past climates because of evidence left in tree rings, layers of ice in glaciers, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. For example, bubbles of air in glacial ice trap tiny samples of Earth’s atmosphere, giving scientists a history of greenhouse gases that stretches back more than 800,000 years. The chemical make-up of the ice provides clues to the average global temperature.
So far no argument has been made against what I have said.

I never denied global warming. I am asking what evidence do you guys have man made changes caused global warming. The difference between both is quite staggering.

Global warming has been happening before humans were in their ape form and will happen after their arrogant forms die out.The question here however is not whether it is happening or not, but rather are the Humans causing it.

As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.
Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

Actually, the global temperatures have been stable for the past 3 decades. There has been no significant rises in temperatures in the globe. Also, the supposed predictive models of the global warming has not yet proved to be reliable in actually predicting anything. If anything, those predictions are way off the mark by the way of 3-4 degrees of Farenhiet, which is actually more than 100% variation in what they were saying. This is happening all the while CO2 emissions are higher than ever and the rate of co2 emissions are also higher than ever

In the local sphere you must have noticed the shifting patterns of the Monsoons and the global climate chaos, this is due to abnormal heating of ocean and wind currents(which by the way feed of each other), apart from these the rapidly increasing desertification of areas combined with receding glaciers and melting ice caps all point towards climate change and global warming being interrelated.
Again, 33 ice ages and warm periods have happened before Human apes even appeared on the planet. If the animals living at the time in "harmony" with environment at the time had thought that their pathetic existence at that time was what caused the global warming, they should have committed collective suicide. But hey, lets not get into strawmans. We are not talking about currrent global trends in warming- we are not discussing if global warming is happening or not. Globe has been warming for the past 10000 years, since the end of the last ice age. What we are talking about is whether Human activities are causing the global warming. Now come up with explanations for that instead of writing generic statements which we both agree on.


As far as the point raised by @ezsasa about Bangalore and Hyderbad and the change in climate in both cities, that is a completely different topic called UHI(Urban heat islanding) whish is only tertially related to global warming. simply put cities trap heat and the hotter it gets(due to global warming) the hotter cities get( in some case upto 2 degree hotter than the surrounding countryside).
Thats because the urban centers have more people- more respiration - mroe water vapour. IN case you dint know, water vapour is the most important green house gas in the atmosphere- not CO2. Co2 concentration is so small , about 0.03% of atmosphere to make that significant of an effect in the global temperatures. Compare that to the % of water vapour in the air. The long wave radiation absorbed by the atmosphere is by the water vapour. That is the reason why hill stations are colder than the plains- because water vapor there is lesser than the plains. And so what you are talking about has no conclusive evidence or even logic to suggest that urban heating is due to global warming. Next.


2) Coming to the point you made about Carbon dioxide and Methane Levels and i quote
No you are wrong the levels are increasing far more rapidly than can be explained
Since the Industrial Revolution began in about 1750, carbon dioxide levels have increased nearly 38 percent as of 2009 and methane levels have increased 148 percent.This is not a minuscule increase by any parameter.We need to control CO2 levels and pronto.
And again, Co2 forms only .03% of the atmosphere, 38% of .03% is still .03% .ie still minuscule. Also, has 38% increase in co2 resulted in 38% increase in the atmospheric temperatures? It wont because Co2 is not even the biggest green house gas on the planet. That would be water vapour.

Also, Co2 levels are also raising more rapidly than ever during the past four decades, and yet for some strange reason the earth''s temperature has remained static for the past three decades. Why? Let me tell you why, because the climatologists still have no conclusive model to predict the earth's temperature changes and climate changes. yet. They themselves dont understand what is causing the global warming. Till they do, lets leave this poppy cock of global warming to where it belongs- among scientists until they come up with a conclusive proof for their BS.

In case you forgot- thats how science is supposed to work - based on brutal logic and facts and reproducible models, not based on half hunches and fear mongering.

3) You say that developing countries should not have to pay as big a price as developed nations, here i somewhat tend to agree with you. The developed world having caused the largest chunk of global warming must now help to pay for it there is no doubt on that.
There is no doubt on the fact that India and China have little choice but to use Fossil Fuels/Nuclear power as primary energy generation sources as solar/wind/tidal can be little more than a filler at the moment.I totally support using more nuclear Energy .

agreed

Cold Fusion could be the Holy Grail we're all waiting for here.
Cold fusion is another fancy poppy cock which no scientist takes seriously except those working on it and have their khana and khapda linked to it. I think you mean to say the Fusion reactor which is being built by the conglomeration of 16 nations in France?

However there is no easy solution out of this one simply because global warming while being global is localized as well. simply put if Germany has now turned many of their villages over to "Green energy" these areas will have a better climate than similar regions in India where we have a coal power station.This is due to localized heating and localized pollution around the plant.
Again, there is difference between pollution and global warming. A nearby coal plant emitting soot and So2 into air = pollution. But the Co2 emission from such plant resulting in Global warming is something else entirely. While we can reduce pollution by using advanced technology for fossil fuel utilisation, we dont have to give two shits about Global warming till there is conclusive proof for "man made climate change"

4) You speak of Oceans being unaffected as the primary generator of Oxygen for the planet , however that too is under threat due to two totally differing reasons
a) Biological runoff from Farming zones enters oceans and creates a nutrient rich zone where algae and bacteria flourish causing a population explosion that depletes that local zone of oxygen, there are some 400 such zones worldwide today.
You do realise that the algae growth in the oceans is actually the source for O2 from the Oceans right? Where do you think the O2 from ocean comes from? By utilisation of the Co2 by plant life(and photosynthetic algae) in the oceans which release back O2

Also, this biological run off you are talking about- another way of saying "polluting the environment". Different from man made global climate change. Totally different.

And, seriously dude, you think nutrient rich water entering oceans is bad for the ocean life?

b) Scientists point to two reasons to expect a worldwide drop in ocean oxygen. One is the simple fact that as water gets warmer, it can hold less dissolved oxygen. The other reason is subtler. The entire ocean gets its oxygen from the surface — either from the atmosphere, or from photosynthesizing algae floating at the top of the sea. The oxygen then spreads to the deep ocean as the surface waters slowly sink.
Acutally warmer oceans would be better for the animal life and plant life there. As you know, 37 degree celcius is the most optimum temperature for the growth of algae and other animal forms to live in.

And as I said, climate change is not the same as man made climate change.

Global warming is expected to reduce the mixing of the ocean by making surface seawater lighter. That’s because in a warmer world we can expect more rainfall and more melting of glaciers, icebergs, and ice sheets. Since freshwater is less dense than salt water, the water at the ocean’s surface will become lighter. The extra heat from the warming atmosphere will also make surface waters expand — and thus make them lighter still. The light surface water will be less likely to sink — and thus the deep ocean will get less oxygen. Instead, more of the oxygen will linger near the surface, where it will be used up by oxygen-breathing organisms.
Water does not mix eh

And any oxygen breathing organisms can go suck an egg if Humans have to survive.

WE Humans are where we are today only by making the environment comfortable for us. This new environmental BS is so crap that I dont even know where to start addressing it. If the early Human had been tree huggers and refused to light fires from the woods, we would still be living in the caves. May be another global warming and ice ages would have occured just like the 33 times the ice age , warm age cycle occured without the super egoistic thinking apes were [present to obscess over how they can somehow affect something as big as climate with their puny existence
 

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Worlds largest terrorist park to light up Pakistans future :lol: (jk)
ontopic- That's a very nice development from our neighbor. Wish we would compete more on these levels instead of army d!ck measuring contest.
 

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Worlds largest terrorist park to light up Pakistans future :lol: (jk)
ontopic- That's a very nice development from our neighbor. Wish we would compete more on these levels instead of army d!ck measuring contest.
If you watch their television debates, comparisons with india on developmental issues are usually discouraged especially since modi came to power. On the other hand their lawyers use Indian laws as reference point in their courts, our ex-election commissioners are called there to give inputs on their election process. Also to be noted that Musharraf during his rule reportedly called one of our journos to ask how martial law has been defined in Indian constitution.

On the other hand, we don't think Pakistan has nothing that we can learn from.
 

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World's largest solar park to light up Pakistan's future
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Entrance to Quaid-e-Azam Solar Power Park - Photo courtesy Zofeen T. Ebrahim.

Some 400,000 solar panels, spread over 200 hectares of flat desert, glare defiantly at the sun at what is known as the Quaid-e-Azam Solar Power Park (QASP) in Cholistan Desert, Punjab, named after Pakistan’s founding father, Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

The 100MW photovoltaic cells (PV) solar farm was built by Chinese company Xinjiang SunOasis in just three months, and started selling electricity to the national grid in August.

This is the first energy project under the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a key part of China’s ‘new silk road’, linking the port at Gwadar in southern Pakistan with Kashgar in China’s western region of Xinjiang.

The 100MW plant is the pilot stage of a more ambitious plan to build the world’s largest solar farm. Once completed in 2017, the site could have capacity of 5.2 million PV cells producing as much as 1,000MW of electricity – enough to power about 320,000 households. Construction of the next stage is already underway, led by another Chinese company Zonergy.


One of the main access roads inside QASP - Photo courtesy Quaid-e-Azam Solar Power (Pvt) Ltd.

Eighteen months ago, the site was nothing more than wilderness. Now a mini city has emerged in the middle of the desert, with over 2,000 workers accompanied by heavy machinery, power transmission lines, blocks of buildings, water pipes and pylons.

Reducing emissions, providing livelihoods

The Cholistan desert is an ideal spot for solar power, said Muhammad Hassan Askari, operating manager of the solar park. The area gets 13 hours of sunlight every day while the huge expanse of flat desert is ideal for a large commercial project like this one.

The big advantage of solar power, he said, is that a large park can be completed faster than thermal or hydropower projects, which take much longer and require a lot of maintenance.

The solar park will also shrink Pakistan’s carbon footprint, said Najam Ahmed Shah, the chief executive officer of QASP, displacing about 57,500 tonnes of coal burn and reducing emissions by 90,750 tonnes every year.


An aerial view of QASP. - Photo courtesy Quaid-e-Azam Solar Power (Pvt) Ltd
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Pakistan aims to reduce its reliance on hydrocarbons, especially imported coal, oil and gas, to around 60 per cent by 2025 from the present 87pc. The country has a target to produce 10pc of its total energy mix from renewable sources (excluding hydro-power, which already constitutes 15pc of the total energy mix). The current generation from renewable energy is around 1-2pc.

While Pakistan contributes less than 1pc to global Green House Gas (GHG) output, the country’s carbon emissions are growing by 3.9pc a year. By 2020 it will spew out 650 million tonnes of Co2e (carbon dioxide equivalent) if the current trend continues, said climatologist Qamar-uz-Zaman Chaudhry, the UN secretary general’s special advisor for Asia with the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO).

The solar park will also eventually generate 15,000 to 33,000 jobs for locals and attract investment to the region.

Unprecedented scale

Some experts worry the project is too ambitious. Former director general of WWF-Pakistan Ali Hassan Habib, who now runs a company providing rooftop solar solutions, welcomed the project but was uneasy about the government “jumping into untested scale”. The plant will be double the size of the existing largest solar PV generating facilities worldwide, he said.

“It may have been better to build the equivalent remaining 900MW closer to where electricity is consumed — on say the rooftops of large parking lots — rather than installing it in remote locations,” he said.

Environmental impact of clean energy

Because solar energy is still finding a foothold in the energy mix and technologies are evolving, not enough is known about the park’s impact on the environment and natural resources.


An aerial view of QASP. - Photo courtesy Quaid-e-Azam Solar Power (Pvt) Ltd.

Some negative impacts have already become apparent. For example, solar power consumes lots of water. PV panels may require little maintenance, according to QASP, but they need to be kept squeaky clean. An estimated one litre of water is used to clean each panel. Water consumed to clean the eventual 5.2 million panels built will be colossal for a country that is fast becoming water stressed. Currently, 30 people take 10 to 15 days to clean the 400,000 cells.

“This year we’ve been very lucky as there have been unprecedented rains and so panels were cleaned automatically,” said Askari, who said they were looking for more efficient ways to clean panels.

At the same time, increasing human activity will disturb the arid region’s rich biodiversity and wildlife, such as the Indian gazelle, caracal cat and houbara bustard.

The construction of a new road network and supporting commercial activities associated with large solar PV projects do leave a substantial “footprint” on the land, agreed Habib.

Shah justified the project, saying it was built on “uninhabited” “waste” land. “An Initial Environmental Examination was carried out and we got a nod from the Environment Protection Department before embarking upon the project,” he explained.

To offset any negative impact, Habib suggested the government set up an “environment and social fund”.

Environmentalists are also concerned about the fate of the millions of PV panels which will wear out within 25 years. The panels will have to be recycled to extract the silicon used to make them, and then replaced.

Pakistan’s energy crisis

Pakistan has been in the grip of severe energy shortages for many years with some rural areas left without power for up to 20 hours a day. There has been little local or foreign investment in the industrial sector because of the extensive power cuts, and a number of factories have had to close down.


An aerial view of QASP. - Photo courtesy Quaid-e-Azam Solar Power (Pvt) Ltd.

With an installed electricity generation capacity of 22,797MW, the country’s total production stands at just 14,000MW. In recent years, demand has risen to 19,000MW.

While the 1,000MW of solar energy will help ease energy constraints, Askari said government investment in several other hydropower and coal projects should also help alleviate power shortages.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif promised power cuts would end by 2018 at the inauguration ceremony of 100MW solar project in May, earlier this year.

Not everyone is happy

But some critics say it is the investors who will get rich from the solar project, while consumers will have to pay more in the long run.

“Hydropower can produce energy for less than half the price of solar and about the same as wind so why a fixation on solar?” said an Islamabad-based energy expert working with the government, who spoke to thethirdpole.net on the condition of anonymity.

He is sceptical of solar for a number of reasons.

First, the solar farm will actually produce far less than the much touted 1,000MW of electricity. “On average, solar power plants deliver only about 20pc of installed capacity, and the peak production is during the day, while the peak demand is in the evening when the plant does not produce anything,” the expert pointed out.


Quaid-e-Azam Solar Power Park - Photo courtesy Zofeen T. Ebrahim.

Alternative arrangements have to be made to draw upon hydro or thermal sources at an “extra cost”. But the project’s owners say the 100MW solar plant could produce near to capacity at 85MW at its peak.

Second, solar energy is more expensive than other energy sources. QASP claims it is selling solar power to the grid at $0.14 per unit. Sources within the National Transmission and Dispatch Company (NTDC) say they have signed a deal to buy electricity at $0.24 per unit, which will drop later to perhaps $0.17 per unit after a period of seven years when loans are paid off. In either case, this price is far higher than the $0.07 for hydropower, $0.11 for fuel oil and $0.12 for imported LNG.

“And these figures are only for generation; another 25pc must be added to it for cost of delivery to be borne by the consumer, accounting for losses and theft,” he pointed out.

“The financial justification for solar was approved when oil prices were at $110 a barrel,” he said, lamenting that the government refused to heed to advice that oil prices would drop.

Others argue that solar prices will fall over time, making it competitive. Vaqar Ahmed, deputy executive director at the Islamabad-based think tank, Sustainable Development Policy Institute, said: “For every new technology the fixed costs are higher in the initial years and diminish over time as economies of scale are achieved.” And learning from China, efficiency will rise and prices for solar cells will continue to fall, he said.

Wind could be a much bigger contributor to Pakistan’s energy need, said WWF’s Habib, given its potential of 120,000MW. “Unlike solar, wind energy maintains production at night,” he pointed out.

Political risks

With just a little over two years left in his term, the success of the solar project is important for Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

“The project has huge political implications for the ruling Pakistan Muslim League (N),” said Lieutenant Colonel (Ret) M Hassan Malik, who is responsible for the security arrangements of the entire QASP area.


An aerial view of QASP. - Photo courtesy Quaid-e-Azam Solar Power (Pvt) Ltd.

”Through this project the government also wants to send out the message to the outside world that it has the capacity to undertake mega projects and will provide foolproof security to investors.”

Working in an area known as a hotbed of criminals and extremists, Malik’s job is challenging. “Not only is the park a national asset, we have foreign nationals working at the plant, so the sensitivity is two-fold,” he said.

There are 800 to 900 men guarding the site, where around 400 Chinese workers and over 2,000 labourers work at any given time.

Cultural shock

For Alexander Halbich, a German engineer who has been at the park for over a year, getting used to “gun-toting” security men following him around was most disconcerting aspect of his new job. “The food is good, the people are extremely hospitable and we do go out to the city once in a while tailed by armed guards, but there is little to do after dark,” he added.

“There isn’t much to do in the evenings,” agreed Muhammad Hasan Askari, who heads the technical team. Hailing from Lahore, he keeps himself busy with work and looks forward to going home at the weekends.

Foreign workers get to go home less often. “I go every three months for ten days or more,” said Zhang Ting, a young Chinese engineer. “I’m quite ready to go home by two months but when I do go back, I miss Pakistan and the work,” she added.

Ting had to deal with a language barrier and hostile weather when she arrived to work at the site. The Chinese engineer also had to adjust to a “whole new work culture”.

“We resolved the issue by getting more Pakistanis on our design team to crease out the differences and conflicts,” she said.


View of the infrastructure developed alogside the solar park to connect it to the national grid. -Photo courtesy Zofeen T. Ebrahim.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1205484/
@Neo @blue marlin
atleast you pakis got something other than terrorism and jihad,

even if pakis dont have software companies,space programme atleast there is solar park for you,

now tell your politicians and terrorist dont thrash this project.
 

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@Neo @blue marlin
atleast you pakis got something other than terrorism and jihad,

even if pakis dont have software companies,space programme atleast there is solar park for you,

now tell your politicians and terrorist dont thrash this project.
great, just great, im guessing rock127 been giving you training, well your comments are stupid, make them better and next time say your worst, and smile.
 

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great, just great, im guessing rock127 been giving you training, well your comments are stupid, make them better and next time say your worst, and smile.
stupid ???
how it is stupid can you explain ???
 

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stupid ???
how it is stupid can you explain ???
your post was so arrogant and ill minded it was just not worth giving a reasonable reply. i suggest you do some research before you post something.
 

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your post was so arrogant and ill minded it was just not worth giving a reasonable reply. i suggest you do some research before you post something.
me suggest you and your bunch of fool pakis instead of posting stupid,foolish stuff on the forum,
go to some toy store buy some drone toy and play with your paki friends and think that paki country is superpower.
 

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Might be wrong question but is India working Fusion cycle for energy??
 

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me suggest you and your bunch of fool pakis instead of posting stupid,foolish stuff on the forum,
go to some toy store buy some drone toy and play with your paki friends and think that paki country is superpower.
rock127 has taught you badly, add pictures next time, and be creative!
 

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Looking at Pakistan they should invest more on Hydro power, which is cheaper in the long run.

I do not know about the status of wind power in Pakistan, maybe @Neo can shed some light on this.
Total installed capacity from Wind Power Parks in Pakistan stood at 256MW in 2014 and its expected to double within two years.

China, Turkey, Malaysia and South Korea along with Pakistani subcontractors are working on several projects throught the country including Sawat.
 

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Just checked the pic, how come there are no power plants south west of quetta? is it that there is no water source in that region?
Sardars in Balochistan have been blocking most of the development projects for years. Otherwise there's a huge potential in this western province.
CPEC includes plans to build a lot of infrastructure, some of them have aready started.
 

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