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BRIC is just a stunt of medias.......
Welcome to the forum.Hello guys...
I'm Indonesian, and I registered here only to comment to some guys here who think that Indonesia is a most backward country in Asia ...
Hmmm, I want to share with you, who say that Indonesia doesn't have Research Institute and some other things...
If you don't know about Indonesia, please consider to visit Indonesia...
FYI here are some Indonesian research institutes:
LIPI(Indonesia Science Institute): It is science and research institute in Indonesia. It consists of 47 research centers in the fields ranging from social to natural sciences.
LAPAN(Lembaga Penerbangan dan Antariksa Nasional): Indonesia's National Institute of Aeronautics and Space
ICALRRD: Indonesian Center for Agricultural Land Resources Research and Development
and some other institutes from government and non-government organization.
you can search on google for more info: indonesian institute - Google Search
About the industrial base, I don't really know what industrial base you mean, if in terms of commodities, at least Indonesia has various industrial base of palm oil, natural gas, coal and other processing industry.
We Indonesian know that we are poor, backward and not an industrialize country, but even though we are poor country, our GDP per capita and our living standard are better than India..
We Indonesian know that we are uncivilized and backward country, but even though we are backward, we still know how to manufacture a car, a plane, a motorcycle, a sneaker, and many other stuff which can exported to other countries including India.
And we know as Indonesians, India has a better economic growth, less corrupt, bigger economy and a non-dysfunctional government, but even though we are more corrupt, have a dysfunctional government, smaller economy and weaker economic growth, we still posted 6.3% growth in Q1 2012, our GDP PPP in 2011 are $1,122 trillion, GDP nominal in 2011 are $845,680 billion, and we have per capita GDP of $3,509 for 2011 when India the superpower of Asia has a GDP per capita of $1,389...
we are still poorer than India for sure ...
Sorry for my bad English, because I'm a backward people... Thanks...
So sorry if I'm too sarcastic ...Welcome to the forum.
Lots of people have expressed different opinions on this thread - a couple of views may have been extreme. Counter them with facts and arguments, as you have done here. And no need to be so sarcastic in calling yourself "backward, uncivilized", and so on. No Indian considers Indonesia to be "uncivilized and backward", so no need to be sarcastically self-flagellating here.
My take on the subject is that there is no comparison between Indonesia and India in terms of the size and scale. You are right, Indonesia has a better per-capita figure at present. But the thing is - 8% growth of the Indian economy is 8% of 2 trillion - the Indian economy grows by a larger amount each year, than the total economic size of many nations!!
So, while Indonesia has its strengths, and might become a prosperous and rich country, it cannot replace India in any sense of the term, simply because the size and scale is so different!
Then educate us on the realities about your country! It will be great to have an Indonesian member here - I think you will be the first. If you are interested in geopolitics, defense and strategy, you will be able to contribute well here.So sorry if I'm too sarcastic ...
I'm sarcastic because some people here are too lazy to search for more information on other countries that they don't know for sure, and then they finally look down on the countries that they didn't know, only to justify their arguments...
Fact of the matter is, none of the Islamic country is doing yourself any favors. You are backward and regressive. You want our approval, earn it. Otherwise FOwellcome sir...and please dont mind the attitudes of people.They consider everything related to muslims or islam as backward of 7th century be it islamic country or be it muslim individual even when father of indian missile program is a muslim himself.
Don't blame others for your misery when your own people wish to bring back the glorious period of 17th century, and destroy everything which hurt your fragile sentiments.wellcome sir...and please dont mind the attitudes of people here They consider everything related to muslims or islam as backward of 7th century be it islamic country or be it muslim individual even when father of indian missile program is a muslim himself.
If you want to Troll, Troll in the Internal affairs. And stop masquerading as a Paki. If your love for Pukistan is so great, and move to that stupid country instead of being a pain in the ass here in India. I have only one thing to say to youwellcome sir...and please dont mind the attitudes of people here.They consider everything related to muslims or islam as backward of 7th century be it islamic country or be it muslim individual even when father of indian missile program is a muslim himself.
Lets just forget that despite posting 6.5% growth in the Q1 in 2012, Indian GDP is considered to be at its worst place while the Indonesian GDP with a 6.3% GDP growth is considered very good for it... Anyway, lets also forget that the size of Indian GDP is about Four times that of the Indonesian GDP...So sorry if I'm too sarcastic ...
I'm sarcastic because some people here are too lazy to search for more information on other countries that they don't know for sure, and then they finally look down on the countries that they didn't know, only to justify their arguments...
They are saying these things because India does not give into American demands like you and Pakistan does. We think long term unlike your planners or Puki planners.all developing countries are "cheap labor" compared to the developed world.
and it was fareed zakira who first came up with the idea that indonesia should replace india in the brics.
and it was jim o'neil who said that india was the most disappointing of the brics.
so there go all your conspiracies on this thread.
I completely agree.BRIC is just a stunt of medias.......
No one is doubting the integrity of Indonesia or its ability to do well. We are discussing point which states Indonesia has a economy which can outperform a bigger economy in GDP, PPP terms.Hello guys...
I'm Indonesian, and I registered here only to comment to some guys here who think that Indonesia is a most backward country in Asia ...
Hmmm, I want to share with you, who say that Indonesia doesn't have Research Institute and some other things...
If you don't know about Indonesia, please consider to visit Indonesia...
FYI here are some Indonesian research institutes:
LIPI(Indonesia Science Institute): It is science and research institute in Indonesia. It consists of 47 research centers in the fields ranging from social to natural sciences.
LAPAN(Lembaga Penerbangan dan Antariksa Nasional): Indonesia's National Institute of Aeronautics and Space
ICALRRD: Indonesian Center for Agricultural Land Resources Research and Development
and some other institutes from government and non-government organization.
you can search on google for more info: indonesian institute - Google Search
About the industrial base, I don't really know what industrial base you mean, if in terms of commodities, at least Indonesia has various industrial base of palm oil, natural gas, coal and other processing industry.
We Indonesian know that we are poor, backward and not an industrialize country, but even though we are poor country, our GDP per capita and our living standard are better than India..
We Indonesian know that we are uncivilized and backward country, but even though we are backward, we still know how to manufacture a car, a plane, a motorcycle, a sneaker, and many other stuff which can exported to other countries including India.
And we know as Indonesians, India has a better economic growth, less corrupt, bigger economy and a non-dysfunctional government, but even though we are more corrupt, have a dysfunctional government, smaller economy and weaker economic growth, we still posted 6.3% growth in Q1 2012, our GDP PPP in 2011 are $1,122 trillion, GDP nominal in 2011 are $845,680 billion, and we have per capita GDP of $3,509 for 2011 when India the superpower of Asia has a GDP per capita of $1,389...
we are still poorer than India for sure ...
Sorry for my bad English, because I'm a backward people... Thanks...
I think this a hole should be banned for bringing religion into this.wellcome sir...and please dont mind the attitudes of people here.They consider everything related to muslims or islam as backward of 7th century be it islamic country or be it muslim individual even when father of indian missile program is a muslim himself.
I second that. And it's a SHEI think this a hole should be banned for bringing religion into this.
even our mod/admin is muslim - yusuf bhaiwellcome sir...and please dont mind the attitudes of indian people here especially hindus.They consider everything related to muslims or islam as backward of 7th century be it islamic country or be it muslim individual even when father of indian missile program is a muslim himself.
Hello guys...
I'm Indonesian, and I registered here only to comment to some guys here who think that Indonesia is a most backward country in Asia ...
Hmmm, I want to share with you, who say that Indonesia doesn't have Research Institute and some other things...
If you don't know about Indonesia, please consider to visit Indonesia...
FYI here are some Indonesian research institutes:
LIPI(Indonesia Science Institute): It is science and research institute in Indonesia. It consists of 47 research centers in the fields ranging from social to natural sciences.
LAPAN(Lembaga Penerbangan dan Antariksa Nasional): Indonesia's National Institute of Aeronautics and Space
ICALRRD: Indonesian Center for Agricultural Land Resources Research and Development
and some other institutes from government and non-government organization.
you can search on google for more info: indonesian institute - Google Search
About the industrial base, I don't really know what industrial base you mean, if in terms of commodities, at least Indonesia has various industrial base of palm oil, natural gas, coal and other processing industry.
We Indonesian know that we are poor, backward and not an industrialize country, but even though we are poor country, our GDP per capita and our living standard are better than India..
We Indonesian know that we are uncivilized and backward country, but even though we are backward, we still know how to manufacture a car, a plane, a motorcycle, a sneaker, and many other stuff which can exported to other countries including India.
And we know as Indonesians, India has a better economic growth, less corrupt, bigger economy and a non-dysfunctional government, but even though we are more corrupt, have a dysfunctional government, smaller economy and weaker economic growth, we still posted 6.3% growth in Q1 2012, our GDP PPP in 2011 are $1,122 trillion, GDP nominal in 2011 are $845,680 billion, and we have per capita GDP of $3,509 for 2011 when India the superpower of Asia has a GDP per capita of $1,389...
we are still poorer than India for sure ...
Sorry for my bad English, because I'm a backward people... Thanks...