Discussion in 'International Politics' started by bhramos, Jul 26, 2010.
why you tripping dude?
these puny countries need to be taught a lesson. but every govt/party in India is corrupt.
Nobody here's trying to prove anything, dude ! I am just answering what Jay was asking. I forgot about the Wikileaks thread, will keep that in mind. If you are not interested, then don't spoil the discussion, and take a chill pill.
To these countries nuclear disarmament apply to only developing countries, they are happy to share american nuclear weapon but don't accept nuclear armed states which are not dominated by white. We Indian are more peace loving than those white but at the same time we don't want to become colony again so we needed nuclear weapon which were already possessed by P-5 of UNSC. They should rather insist all the nuclear armed states for universal disarmament. If they are biased, their objective will never work.
We all wish that happens in our lifetime, but there's a remote chance that it may ever happen, mate !!
China Could Ask for U.S. to Get Out of Korea, WikiLeaks Cable Warns
Timed with the U.S. visit by Chinese President Hu Jintao, WikiLeaks unveiled huge volumes of U.S. diplomatic cables about China. The Norwegian daily Aftenposten published the diplomatic cables on Wednesday. According to the cables, "A peaceful resolution of the threat posed by North Korea might cause China to call for an end to the U.S. base presence on the Korean Peninsula."
The forecast is part of a report written in January 2009 by the U.S. Embassy in Beijing titled "Looking at the Next 30 Years of the U.S.-China Relationship" marking the 30th anniversary of bilateral ties.
President Barack Obama and President Hu Jintao of China begin their working dinner in the Old Family Dining Room of the White House on Jan. 18, 2011. /Courtesy of White House
"Over the past thirty years, Chinese officials have come to begrudgingly acknowledge the benefits to East Asia resulting from the U.S. military presence in the Pacific," the report claims but adds, "Perceived threats to China's security posed by Japan's participation in missile defense or by future high-tech U.S. military technologies might cause tomorrow's Chinese leaders to change their assessment and to exert economic pressures on U.S. allies like Thailand or the Philippines to choose between Beijing and Washington."
China's diplomatic work in the six-party talks or through the Shanghai Cooperative Organization shows that it "plays a leading and often responsible and constructive role in both of these multilateral groups. Future U.S. policy-makers might usefully consider additional international mechanisms that include both U.S. and Chinese membership." Launched in 2001 in Shanghai, the SCO is a regional organization of China, Russia and four Central Asian countries aimed at boosting ties and cooperation.
On economics, the report said, "More and more experts see the utility of establishing an Asia-Pacific G8, to include China, Japan, and the United States plus India, Australia, Indonesia, South Korea and Russia." It added, "While still reluctant to claim China is a global leader, Chinese officials are gradually gaining confidence as a regional power." The report said China "might choose to pursue some uniquely Chinese path" 30 years from now, rather than be included among the ranks of the world's advanced countries.
Upset by the handling of his first visit to the U.S. in April 2006, when he was treated to a working lunch, Hu sacked then foreign minister Li Zhaoxing, according to another cable written by the consul general in Shanghai on May 14, 2007. According to a U.S.-China specialist, Li "was hastily replaced because President Hu Jintao had become dissatisfied with Li's management of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Hu blamed Li for his less than perfect visit."
"There were no flags between the White House and Blair house and no state dinner at the White House," while the master of ceremonies at the welcoming ceremony referred to China as the "Republic of China," the name for Taiwan, rather than the "People's Republic of China." Also, the Chinese Embassy in Washington failed to prevent Falun Gong protesters from being present during Hu's speech in front of the White House lawn.
"Three diplomats defected and at least 60 [ministry] officials were subjected to disciplinary investigations" over the protocol blunders in the year after Hu's U.S. visit, according to the cable.
[email protected] / Jan. 20, 2011 12:37 KST
Funny, what makes you think that the US is going to oblige?
well , we all know how NK always keeps its word and how peaceful its is .. never going to happen. defense shield is coming up..
Pak training 'whites' for terror in Europe: Tehelka.com, Quoting Wikileaks
Lookie here, straight from Tehelka.com . The Pakistanies favorite India mouthpiece.
Pak training 'whites' for terror in Europe
The disclosure comes in the latest set of the classified US diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks about former NSA Narayanan's meeting with Russ Feingold and Bob Casey in Delhi in 2008
By Iftikhar Gilani
Former National Security Advisor MK
The Indian intelligence agencies' discovery of â€œwhitesâ€ getting trained in Pakistan to unleash terror in south and northeast Europe, Somalia, and West Asia, but not in the United States (US) was shared with two American senators in 2008 by then National Security Adviser (NSA) MK Narayanan, who is now the governor of West Bengal.
The disclosure comes in the latest set of the classified US diplomatic telegrams released by the whistle-blower website WikiLeaks.org about Narayanan's meeting with Russ Feingold and Bob Casey in Delhi on May 30, 2008.
This and other inputs of the former NSA were so sensitive that American ambassador David Mulford, who was present at the meeting, lost no time in cabling Washington on the new dimensions to Pakistan's terror tactics.
Another highly sensitive information shared by Narayanan was on the threat of a nuclear attack against India by a non-state actor in a terrorist operation from Pakistan.
The leaked cable says he pointed to the increase in "white recruits" detected by the Indian intelligence in terrorist training camps along the Pakistan-Afghanistan borders. "Those recruits will not be used against India or Asian nations, he pointed out, adding that he has warned his counterparts of the development."
Narayanan also disclosed that India has found a "manifest attempt to get fissile material," though terrorist groups have not yet acquired any. He noted that the Jihadi groups have attempted to acquire fissile material and have the technical competence to manufacture an explosive device beyond a mere dirty bomb.
He lamented that other nations' intelligence agencies lack a common understanding at a time when an incident such as the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai involved planning and fund-raising in up to 11 different countries.
This is the first time a top Indian official has explicitly acknowledged the threat of a nuclear attack against India by a non-state actor. India has consistently refused to talk publicly about any possibility of Indian cities becoming targets of crude nuclear bombs, ostensibly for fear of creating panic among people, especially when cross-border terrorist operations are common.
Narayananâ€™s revelation to the Americans, however, shows that such a threat is real and that Indian security agencies are aware of the danger.
Narayanan also expressed his scepticism about Pakistanâ€™s President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister (PM) Yousuf Raza Gilani by pointing out that cross-border infiltration increased after they came to power.
However, India deliberately down played cross-border infiltration at that time to persevere with the dialogue with Pakistan, and it did not formally protest to Islamabad, hoping that it would be a "temporary aberration."
Referring to the presidency of General Pervez Mushrarraf, Narayanan "remembered that hostility between India and Pakistan had dropped to such an extent that Pakistan had at one time withdrawn some of its military from the India-Pakistan border in order to focus on the threats along the border with Afghanistan."
He regretted, however, that "those forces have since returned to the Indian border."
These disclosures show that the former NSA differed with PM Manmohan Singh's Pakistan policy as he saw more threats emanating from Islamabad to make any attempt of resuming the composite dialogue process. It is possible that these differences made the PM transfer Narayanan to the Kolkata Raj Bhawan and made former foreign secretary Shiv Shankar Menon as his new NSA.
The leaked cable also shows Narayanan's frustration in dealing with Washington beneath the facade that India and the US are "natural allies." Pointing out his dealings with the Americans on terrorism for five years, he told the two senators that he had pleaded in vain during his visits to Washington for greater information sharing, even of bits and pieces.
In what appears prophetic in retrospect over the US bungle over Pakistani American terrorist David Coleman Headley, Narayanan said he had urged his interlocutors in Washington that "what might not make sense to you might make sense to me." But he lamented from the experience of a life-long intelligence man that â€œwe keep our cards close to our chest. It is extremely counter-productiveâ€.
British officials described Zardari as numbskull: WikiLeaks
LONDON: In a damning assessment, Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has been described by British officials as "highly corrupt" and a "numbskull".
The assessment of Zardari was made by officials and military leaders in the months after his election as president in September 2008, The Daily Telegraph reported citing documents leaked by whistle-blower website WikiLeaks.
Sir Jock Stirrup, then chief of the defence staff, told American diplomats that Pakistan was already in an "arguably worse" state a month after Zardari's election.
He said Although Zardari had made "helpful political noises", he's clearly a numbskull.
His comments were echoed by high-ranking British officials who said Zardari had "not much sense of how to govern a country" and "no goals beyond hanging on to power".
A leaked record of the talks with US officials indicated that Sir Peter Ricketts, the permanent secretary to the Foreign Office and now David Cameron's national security adviser, said the British government "would like to believe in Zardari" but added: "I fear he talks and talks but not much happens."
Zardari took over as leader of the Pakistan People's Party after his wife former prime minister Benazir Bhutto was assassinated in 2007.
He was elected president after military government of Gen Pervez Musharraf collapsed.
In a cable sent to Washington from the US embassy in London in April 2008, diplomats disclosed that the British government "makes no attempt to hide from us its disdain for Zardari".
According to the cable: "Most in the government see Zardari as highly corrupt and lacking popular support simply having benefited from his wife's unfortunate demise."
Privately, such expressions are not rare.
See what Nixon and Kissinger said about Mrs Indira Gandhi, possibly the best PM of India.
Yeah, I read that quite some time back about Kissinger cursing Indira Gandhi. They surely were pissed of that their cold war ally got beaten back and blue by a suspected Soviet ally.
India stood up for dear friend Iran: WikiLeaks
India stood up for dear friend Iran: WikiLeaks
India lobbied the US against imposing sanctions on Iran for trying to develop nuclear weapons while it expressed concern over the emergence of Bangladesh and the Gulf countries as terrorist-funding routes into India, according to a latest batch of US diplomatic cables leaked by whilstleblower site WikiLeaks.
The two countries also explored the possibility of an Indian troop deployment in Afghanistan to prevent the country falling again to Pakistan-based elements, the documents revealed.
â€œThe imposition of sanctions punishes ordinary people, who then turn their anger outward.. We are cautious about adhering to a broad attack on Iran,â€ Indiaâ€™s national security adviser MK Narayanan told senators Russ Feingold and Bob Casey, according to a cable sent from the New Delhi embassy to the secretary of state in 2008. The issue of the alleged Iranian nuclear weapons programme had been a sore point in diplomatic relations between the two, with considerable speculation in international and domestic circles about whether the Manmohan Singh government had secretly capitulated to the US efforts to bring on economic sanctions against Iran, a traditional Indian ally.
Contrary to fears, however, Narayanan came across as trying hard to disabuse the Americans of their notion that Iran was yet another hot-bed of Islamist terrorism.
According to the cable, Narayanan told the senators that Shia clergy are more â€œsophisticated and eruditeâ€ than their Sunni counterparts and sanctions on Iran will only worsen the USâ€™s case. Pointing to the self-flagellation ritual performed during Muharram, Narayanan said the Iranian psyche had â€œa tremendous capacityâ€ to absorb punishment. â€œSelf-flagellation comes to them naturally,â€ he is quoted as saying, while trying to discourage the senators from advocating sanctions.
Another cable reveals Indiaâ€™s deep-seated fears of a US â€˜abandonmentâ€™ of Pakistan and the â€œdeep troubleâ€ that it will cause to India itself.
In a chat with US counter-terrorism official Virginia Palmer, former Indian high commissioner to Pakistan, G Parthasarathy and other officials are portrayed as being extremely worried about any US scaling down in Afghanistan. They, however, were all for the US exit from Iraq.
â€œThe cost of losing Afghanistan is too great for India,â€ Parthasarathy is quoted as saying. When asked if India would consider putting troops on the ground in northern Afghanistan, Parthasarathy responded that it would depend on â€œhow itâ€™s politically played,â€ acknowledging that the idea has some strategic value, the cable went on.
I like this leak by wikileaks.
We should have cordial relations with iran in middle east since its the only country in the region that can be helpful to us (and to itself) both economically and strategically.
Nato unimpressed by Russia's military: WikiLeaks
BRUSSELS: Nato was not impressed by Russia's 2008 victory over Georgia.
The operation, in which Georgia's US-trained army was demolished within a week after it tried to invade the breakaway province of South Ossetia, set off alarm bells in Nato nations bordering Russia.
At the time, eastern European diplomats expressed extreme concern over the Russian army's lightning response to a surprise attack by Georgian forces on the province's capital. The Nato report appeared to be an effort to reassure its allies in eastern Europe.
``The exercises (in 199) demonstrated that Russia has limited capability for joint operations with air forces, continues to rely on aging and obsolete equipment, lacks all-weather capability and strategic transportation means, ... has an officer corps lacking flexibility, and has a manpower shortage,'' the cable said.
The document was signed off by US ambassador Ivo Daalder. The report claimed the Russian military still appeared prepared to use short-range battlefield nuclear weapons even in small conflicts. Russia is believed to have over 1,000 tactical nuclear warheads in its arsenal. These are not banned under international treaties.
Nato has condemned the release of the secret diplomatic cables by WikiLeaks. It regularly refuses to comment on their veracity.
Relations between Nato and Moscow hit a post-Cold War low after the Russo-Georgian war. But they have improved significantly since President Barack Obama announced a ``reset'' of US-Russia ties in 2009.
Today, the two sides cooperate closely in the war in Afghanistan, where Russia provides a vital overland supply link for Nato forces. The alliance and Moscow also work closely on counter-piracy and anti-terrorist operations, and the two sides are considering setting up a joint anti-missile shield.
The Russian military is in the process of reforming and cutting its military strength. In 2009, its defense budget of about $50 billion was about one-twentieth of total defense spending by Nato's 28 nations.
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