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I thot saner ppl visited DFI. Why on earth is the BJP & the whole media silent if what Swamy speaks is gospel truth.
I assume you are one of sanermost among all of us .

Swamy is a sick schizophrenic. God save you if you start believing in what he says.
Rather than calling him a schizophrenic please counter the legal points that he made. Remember he is the main force behind unearthing 2 G scam.
 

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Dr Swamy is a loose cannon as per many.

Now, if he slandering shouldn't people take him to court, more so the rich and famous, who have the money an inclination to save their reputation?

I should think so, because that would be what should be done to a slanderer!

Now, if it is not done. then who are we to believe.

Has any rebuttal given about Rahul Gandhi being admitted in the US College on an Italian name, that he was taken in Harvard because of Hinduja's donation quota and then told that he does not make the cut, that he was admitted in St Stephens on the Christian and shooters quote, that he has an Italian citizenship and has not renounced it etc etc?

Quite damning I would say and the Gandhis should take them to court or else it will be taken as the truth!
 

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Rahul why open your mouth and clear all doubts that you are a born loser.that bugger has no stature to represent India he's such a mama boy
 

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go file a PIL SHASH2K2 if u believe so much in him. you will know the truth.
In a country where media even counts how many breaths you take & the opposition accusing you for even your farts, swamy's talks if had ne credence BJP wud have been the first to grab it with both hands and the media wud have the best TRP material for a month. If Sonia's Italian antecedents can be made such an explosive issue y on earth do u think the BJP is silent on swamy's accusations. He also calls Atal Bihari Vajpayee an informer of the British - will you believe that too.

Title: "Vajpayee an informer in '42"
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Publication: The Pioneer
Date: August 12,13, 1997
Vajpayee was an informer in '42: Swamy
Date: August 12th, 1997
Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy on Monday said BJP leader Atal
Bihari Vajpayee should dissociate himself from the golden jubilee
celebrations of the country's Independence, 'alleging that Mr Vajpayee had
acted as a 'police informer' during the Quit India movement in 1942. In a
statement here, Dr Swamy said he was shocked to see Mr Vajpayee in Mumbai
on August 9 as guest of honour at the commemoration of the Quit India
movement.
He claimed there was documentary proof at the national archives to show
that as a police witness, evidence tendered by Mr Vajpayee on August 21,
1942, before a Bateswar (near Agra) magistrate had led to the conviction of
seven satyagrahis' to life-imprisonment on a false police FIR that they
were engaged in arson and destruction.
"Mr Vajpayee should apologise to the people for this."
 

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happy birthday 'kasab'! You are 2 years old now. You can continue to be our guest. India's proud culture is "atithi devo bhava". Your stay expenses are on us. Your lawyers are free. You have more security than 99% of indians in this country who everyday see bomb blasts, murders, rapes and discrimination. We will feed you well, three times a day. When many among us have no food for days and more children die daily of malnutriton than you ever thought of killing. Everyone click *share* below to post this on your wall.
guys saw that say thanks to congress and cheers
 

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go file a PIL SHASH2K2 if u believe so much in him. you will know the truth.
In a country where media even counts how many breaths you take & the opposition accusing you for even your farts, swamy's talks if had ne credence BJP wud have been the first to grab it with both hands and the media wud have the best TRP material for a month. If Sonia's Italian antecedents can be made such an explosive issue y on earth do u think the BJP is silent on swamy's accusations. He also calls Atal Bihari Vajpayee an informer of the British - will you believe that too.

OK I accept that Vajpayee was a spy and was working against the country. Does that changes the fact that Rahul has Italian password and has not surrendered it ?
 

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go file a PIL SHASH2K2 if u believe so much in him. you will know the truth.
In a country where media even counts how many breaths you take & the opposition accusing you for even your farts, swamy's talks if had ne credence BJP wud have been the first to grab it with both hands and the media wud have the best TRP material for a month. If Sonia's Italian antecedents can be made such an explosive issue y on earth do u think the BJP is silent on swamy's accusations. He also calls Atal Bihari Vajpayee an informer of the British - will you believe that too.
Actually, the Indian public is very indifferent to all this shenanigans since all have become immune and conditioned by the awful system that we have and which we can't get rid of.

However, the 2G scam has woken all. It has merely woken all and that is about all.

None have the time or the money to file PILs. In fact, they don't have the time or money or inclination to file cases in the Consumer Courts against spurious products and false advertisement!

At least in the Vajpayee issue, it was rebutted through the media.

Mischievous report
Date: August 13th, 1997

This refers to the news report, 'Vajpayee was an informer in '42: Swamy'
(August 12). Similar mischievous reports have appeared in different
newspapers over the last two or three days, alleging that had turned
approver before a British court during the "Quit India" movement to secure
my release. Needless to say, these allegations are nothing but lies
fabricated to malign Me and my party. This campaign of calumny has been
raked up at periodic intervals with a view to damaging my personal and my
party's reputation. It is hardly surprising that frustrated elements should
utilise an important event like the curtain-raiser of the Golden Jubilee of
our Independence held at Mumbai on August 9, 1997, to revive this
contemptible campaign. According to the copy of the final judgement, I have
not been mentioned at all, either as a witness or as an
accused-turned-approver.


Atal Bihari Vajpayee
44, Parliament
House
New Delhi: 100 001

Pioneer Editor's note: The impugned item was filed by a news agency from
Madurai and was published inadvertently. We deeply regret its publication
and apologise to Mr Vajpayee for the damage this unfounded allegation may
have caused him.
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The Gandhis should at least do the same.
 

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Sometimes i wonder how many crores Congress leaders looted from India to place in Swiss coffers
 

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The more I think about this statement from our 'future PM' as touted by the sycophants of the Congress leadership including men old to be his granddad and better politicians, the more I get disillusioned.

If indeed this Wikileak is correct, then Rajiv Gandhi is not only a twit, he is a twat.

Communalism and terrorism are both disgusting. should be loathed and action taken ruthlessly against it.

Terrorism of all hues is dangerous.

However, to state that Hindus terrorism is the greater danger to India than the Let (that was the question asked by Roemer) is being a twat and indicating that he has no clue about terrorism.

If this statement is true then he is unfit to hold the office of an MP, let alone have dreams of being a PM.

As I see it, sycophancy is a great danger to ensuring the sovereignty of this county too if it leads to kowtowing to foreign powers to appear as very 'intelligent' and in grip of things!

A prized twat!

Even the Americans feel that he is so, if Wikileaks are anything to go by.
 
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The more I think about this statement from our 'future PM' as touted by the sycophants of the Congress leadership including men old to be his granddad and better politicians, the more I get disillusioned.

If indeed this Wikileak is correct, then Rajiv Gandhi is not only a twit, he is a twat.

Communalism and terrorism are both disgusting. should be loathed and action taken ruthlessly against it.

However, to state that Hindus terrorism is the greater danger to India than the Let (that was the question asked by Roemer) is being a twat and indicating that he has no clue about terrorism.

If this statement is true then he is unfit to hold the office of an MP, let alone have dreams of being a PM.
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He will get a clue when his Z Plus security will be removed. He will know who is more dangerous LeT or some loony stick stone frustrated hindus.
 

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He will get a clue when his Z plus security will be removed.
It is the Z cat allows such fools to act smart.

They know that it will remain with them for life and will conjure situations to ensure so.

They think they are ordained to rule by birth.

So long as sycophants exist, these families will exist.

It is because of such rotten fish that the regional parties are growing from strength to strength and making this nation weaker for governance. The people of the States are losing faith in National Parties because of such twats.

Raja cocks his snoot at Manmohan and he fiddles like Nero and India burns!

Quo Vadis India?
 
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25% of previous posters don't seem to have read the actual cable , the remaining 75% are likely the same but you have also sidelined the discussion with your own view on UPA and the Ghandi family post Indira.

5. (C) Responding to the Ambassador's query about Lashkar-e-Taiba's activities in the region and immediate threat to India, Gandhi said there was evidence of some support for the group among certain elements in India's indigenous Muslim community. However, Gandhi warned, the bigger threat may be the growth of radicalized Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community. (Comment: Gandhi was referring to the tensions created by some of the more polarizing figures in the BJP such as Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi.) The risk of a "home-grown" extremist front, reacting to terror attacks coming from Pakistan or from Islamist groups in India, was a growing concern and one that demanded constant attention.
That line is very similar to something else i read on this thread
http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php?t=17136

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India is home to a wide variety of extremist groups, including religious extremists (Hindu, Muslim and Sikh), ethnic separatists, and extremists from the political left (Naxalites) and right (primarily Hindu fascists), all of whom recruit children.
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Attacks by Hindu extremists on innocent Muslims and periodic bouts of bloody communal rioting, have led a small number of Muslims to cross the line from sympathizing with violence to engaging in terrorism. Some Kashmiri terrorist groups argue that only attacks outside of Kashmir will shake the Indian state and convince the GOI to withdraw. Members of these two small slivers of the Muslim community provide recruits for groups prone to acts of violence and terrorism, many of which are supported from outside India. The numbers are small, especially outside of Kashmir, but they remain capable of periodic bombings and other acts of violence.
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In Gujarat and Western India, particularly in Mumbai, many Muslims were traumatized by anti-Muslim rioting following the destruction of Babri Mosque in 1992, and the Godhra train violence of 2002. We speculate that their principal motivation is revenge for senseless and painful attacks inflicted on them, their families, and their communities by Hindu extremists.
None of you seem too unhappy with that assessment made my the Americans ?

Why are you all jumping on RG for doing the same thing.
________________________________________________________________

The entire cable is here
SUBJECT: REACHING OUT TO RAHUL GANDHI AND OTHER YOUNG PARLIAMENTARIANS

1. (C) Summary: In a candid conversation with the Ambassador during the July 20 lunch hosted by Prime Minister Singh for the Secretary, Indian Congress Party General Secretary Rahul Gandhi described his focus on upcoming state and local elections, expressed concerns regarding the challenges surrounding the UPA coalition's ability to implement its programs, and speculated about radicalization among Hindus and Muslims. Gandhi was interested in engaging with the Ambassador and could become a key interlocutor, along with other young members of Parliament, as we pursue a Strategic Dialogue with India. End Summary.

2. (C) During the Secretary's July 20 meetings in New Delhi (see reftel), Prime Minister Singh hosted a lunch in honor of the Secretary. Among the invitees was Indian Congress Party General Secretary Rahul Gandhi, as well as other prominent figures from politics, business and civil society. Gandhi, who was seated next to the Ambassador, shared his views on a range of political topics, social challenges, and electoral issues for the Congress Party in the next five years.

Rural Strategy

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3. (C) Gandhi stressed that his focus in the upcoming months would be on state assembly elections in Maharashtra and party building efforts at the local level. He was busy trying to recruit more appealing candidates to run for Member of Legislative Assembly (MLA) positions nationwide. Gandhi's focus was on finding younger party members who would not carry some of the baggage of older Congress candidates. He aimed at rebuilding party structures in small towns and rural areas to attract voters and believed the main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was vulnerable there. He did not seem to be as focused on electoral efforts in bigger cities, such as Delhi and Mumbai.

Honeymoon is Over

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4. (C) Noting that the Congress Party victory in this past spring's parliamentary elections had put the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government in a comfortable position, Gandhi still expressed concerns about the numerous challenges regarding the UPA's ability to implement its programs in Parliament. He said that the honeymoon period had been short and he now expected the BJP and Left Parties would be unrelenting critics of the government's program. Speaking while the budget session of Parliament was ongoing, Gandhi touched on the difficulties in keeping the UPA coalition on the right track. (Note: This conversation took place before the full scope of opposition to the July 16 Indo-Pakistani joint statement in Sharm el Sheikh had become apparent. End Note.)

Creeping Radicalization?

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5. (C) Responding to the Ambassador's query about Lashkar-e-Taiba's activities in the region and immediate threat to India, Gandhi said there was evidence of some support for the group among certain elements in India's indigenous Muslim community. However, Gandhi warned, the bigger threat may be the growth of radicalized Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community. (Comment: Gandhi was referring to the tensions created by some of the more polarizing figures in the BJP such as Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi.) The risk of a "home-grown" extremist front, reacting to terror attacks coming from Pakistan or from Islamist groups in India, was a growing concern and one that demanded constant attention.

Comment

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6. (C) Gandhi was forthright in describing the challenges faced by the Congress Party and the UPA government in the months ahead. Over the past four years, he was an elusive contact, but he could be interested in reaching out to the United States, given a thoughtful, politically sensitive and strategic approach on our part. We will seek other opportunities to engage with him and with other promising

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young members of the new generation of parliamentarians. Gandhi mentioned that in the recent election 60 members of the new Parliament were 45 or younger. In a system long viewed as relatively static, the influx of new faces and the rising profile of young leaders like Rahul Gandhi provides us an opening to expand the constituency in support of the strategic partnership with a long term horizon.
Don't get me wrong , i ain't a big fan of Rahul for PM.

His foreign is mess , the exact opposite of her grandmother.
Yhea he did talk about this with foreigners. even if they were his personal views. And even if he is only an MP and not even a minister.

but i do consider his domestic view to be more like his fathers. If that's good or bad i really don't know.
He is too young and new in politics to be a PM either way.

But why is that discussion getting into this thread ?
 

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responding to the Ambassador's query about Lashkar-e-Taiba's activities in the region and immediate threat to India, Gandhi said there was evidence of some support for the group among certain elements in India's indigenous Muslim community. However, Gandhi warned, the bigger threat may be the growth of radicalized Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community.
Over the past four years, he was an elusive contact, but he could be interested in reaching out to the United States, given a thoughtful, politically sensitive and strategic approach on our part. We will seek other opportunities to engage with him and with other promising
Gandhi mentioned that in the recent election 60 members of the new Parliament were 45 or younger. In a system long viewed as relatively static, the influx of new faces and the rising profile of young leaders like Rahul Gandhi provides us an opening to expand the constituency in support of the strategic partnership with a long term horizon.
Analyse each!

The answer stares in your face!!!!!!
 

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Just as I feared, here starts the dangerous confrontation that can have serious consequence and while the political parties will reap the harvest, the common man will suffer unimaginably.

These politicians and quasi political organisation must learn to be more mature and not so cavalier and irresponsible when they open their mouths to pretend they are very savvy.

BJP RSS Activism

"His statement is a symbol of vote bank politics which the Congress is playing," VHP''s national Vice President Ashok Chowgule told reporters here.

He said that Congress is not demanding the execution of terrorists like Afzal Guru and Ajmal Kasab but are interested in casting allegations against Hindu saints and organisations.

Chowgule said VHP''s convention in Goa scheduled on January 4 will extensively deliberate on the issue of ''saffron terrorism''.
VHP
This type of deliberation will once again raise the ghosts of the past that was somewhat lying buried in peace.


Terrorism of all types threat to India, says Rahul Gandhi
Too little, Too Late]


Too little and too late and to clichéd to have the desired effect.

Most dangerous is this comment:

Does it mean that the US already has and is planning to entice the young leaders in their bag?
 

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We are still under the foreign rule............

I think this what Mahatma Gandhi fought for. He fought for another foreign rule. Specifically by italians. If he had not stood with Indra to marry Feroz khan, then may be INDIA would have been in a better LEADER'S hand, also Indra gandhi should not have given her leadership to Rajiv, instead she should have given this to her elder son Sanjay gandhi. This would have been better. Due to some mistakes, we the people of INDIA are facing shame and are being given bad names by the foreigners who are ruling us..............
 

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Analyse each!

The answer stares in your face!!!!!!
the old gaurd is being replaced with new faces.
who have have different views opinions and ideals.

its obviously an opportunity for anyone to change the status quo.

Yet without determining whether that is a positive or negative shift.

People are jumping to all sorts of conclusions.

So if your a politician under 45 , are more liberal , more open to the idea of greater American relations. Considering most of them were not in politics during the cold war.
You are all of a sudden an American puppet.

Ray this is delusional. For most of these people they will see a years of politics before they are in any position to make real decisions.
Just because the Americans try to do something does not mean it has to work.

The Americans said it in the same quote
In a system long viewed as relatively static, the influx of new faces
This is just change to a system that has relatively been unchanged for a long time.
 

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the old gaurd is being replaced with new faces.
who have have different views opinions and ideals.

its obviously an opportunity for anyone to change the status quo.

Yet without determining whether that is a positive or negative shift.

People are jumping to all sorts of conclusions.

So if your a politician under 45 , are more liberal , more open to the idea of greater American relations. Considering most of them were not in politics during the cold war.
You are all of a sudden an American puppet.

Ray this is delusional. For most of these people they will see a years of politics before they are in any position to make real decisions.
Just because the Americans try to do something does not mean it has to work.

The Americans said it in the same quote

This is just change to a system that has relatively been unchanged for a long time.
To feel that the 'old guard' are a bunch of nitwits and the 'young blood' are the hope would be a trifle naive. Amongst the old guard, there are highly educated people and well versed in the arena of statecraft, having slogged at it through their years.


There is no status quoism in India today. The canvas is changing almost on a yearly basis. And it is the old guard which is at work. Do compare the astuteness of Narashimha Rao with the impetuousness of say, Rajiv Gandhi, who also had dreams of a resurgent India. The comparison would be as incongruous as chalk and cheese.


One does not have to be under 45 to be liberal or be open to having better relation with the US or for that matter, any other country. Narshimha Rao opened up the country to the much vaunted liberalisation for which all and sundry wants to take credit. He opened up ties with Israel and at the same time, ensured that the Middle Eastern countries did not baulk. It is during his time that Iran became India's close friend. And he started Looking East! And, he was no spring chicken!


No one is jumping to any conclusions.


All one wants is a bit of maturity to understand that no matter how close your friend might be, you don't take him into your bedroom!


There was no requirement to open one's heart out to a foreigner.


Do you also support the view of Rahul Gandhi that the so called 'saffron' terrorism is a greater threat than LeT?

If it is so, one would surely like to be educated, rather than succumbing to believe someone's mere gut feeling as the real Gospel Truth!


As far as the American feeling that an influx of new faces will change Indian polity for the better, Omar is a new face. So is Rahul Gandhi. Must I say more?

I sincerely like the US; but from what the US means from the Indian point of view. I daresay anyone thinks that I am a US puppet!

Much that I would like to believe, I just cannot reconcile to your point of view that experience does not count. If it did not, then all CEOs should have been new graduates of B Schools and Premji and others should have been put to pasture long ago.
 
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