WikiLeaks Revelations

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Julian Assange and his leaks(no pun intended)caters to our base instincts of voyeurism.This nothing but an act of political voyeurism,where the motivation is not some higher moral satisfaction of bring about something that aides public well being,but just some primeval gratification that one derives from committing an act,just because you can,regardless of the fact whether he should.Moreover as its been pointed out,he is peddling with state secrets and information vital to the national security of other countries.
 

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Hmmmm, i am yet to get convinced if Assange is a tool of the White house for the leaks or is he actually publishing stolen info.

Either way its good that this has come out. It reveals some actual thoughts and shows us that "Haathi ke daant, khane ke alag, dikhane ke alag" in many cases. We all know behind the scenes people can have nasty thoughts. The declassified Kissinger comments on India and Indira Gandhi shows the thinking and the language used as well.
 

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yes i support him!!! He has exposed the real intentions of USA on India!!!!
 

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Julian Assange should be awarded Nobel peace prize, suggests Russia

Russia has suggested that Julian Assange should be awarded the Nobel peace prize, in an unexpected show of support from Moscow for the jailed WikiLeaks founder.

In what appears to be a calculated dig at the US, the Kremlin urged non-governmental organisations to think seriously about "nominating Assange as a Nobel Prize laureate".



"Public and non-governmental organisations should think of how to help him," the source from inside president Dmitry Medvedev's office told Russian news agencies. Speaking in Brussels, where Medvedev was attending a Russia-EU summit yesterday , the source went on: "Maybe, nominate him as a Nobel Prize laureate."

Russia's reflexively suspicious leadership appears to have come round to WikiLeaks, having decided that the ongoing torrent of disclosures are ultimately far more damaging and disastrous to America's long-term geopolitical interests than they are to Russia's.

The Kremlin's initial reaction to stories dubbing Russia a corrupt "mafia state" and kleptocracy was, predictably, negative. Last week Medvedev's spokesman dubbed the revelations "not worthy of comment" while Putin raged that a US diplomatic cable comparing him to Batman and Medvedev to Robin was "arrogant" and "unethical". State TV ignored the claims.

Subsequent disclosures, however, that Nato had secretly prepared a plan in case Russia invaded its Baltic neighbours have left the Kremlin smarting. Today Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said Nato had to explain why it privately considered Russia an enemy while publicly describing it warmly as a "strategic partner" and ally.

Nato should make clear its position on WikiLeaks cables published by the Guardian alleging that the alliance had devised plans to defend Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia against Russia, Lavrov said.

"With one hand, Nato seeks agreement with us on joint partnership, and with the other, it makes a decision that it needs to defend. So when is Nato more sincere?" Lavrov asked today. "We have asked these questions and are expecting answers to them. We think we are entitled to that."

Lavrov said his attitude towards the leaked US state department cables was "philosophical". "It is interesting to read, including what ambassadors write to provide a stream of information to their capitals," he admitted.

Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's hardline ultra-nationalist ambassador to Nato, also today voiced his support for the embattled Assange. He tweeted that Assange's arrest and incarceration on Monday at the City of Westminster magistrates' court demonstrated that there was "no media freedom" in the west. Assange's "fate" amounted to "political persecution" and a lack of human rights, the ambassador said.

In London, meanwhile, Russia's charg̩ d'affaires and acting ambassador in the UK, Alexander Sternik, said relations with Britain had improved since the coalition came to power. He complained, however, about the hostile reaction in the British media after Fifa's executive committee voted that Russia Рand not England Рshould host the 2018 World Cup.

In a briefing to journalists this morning, Sternik said: "While the English bid was technically a strong one, the Russian bid was in line with the well-known Fifa philosophy of opening new frontiers for world football. The vote result was therefore quite logical, and while the disappointment of many in England is understandable, the media outrage was a step too far. It's not cricket, as the English say."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/09/julian-assange-nobel-peace-prize
 

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Somehow I have doubts about his credibility (I could be wrong), however, big question is his sources? How he collected such a huge dump of info from all over the world from different sources? Nothing unusual about the leaks, everything was somehow known beforehand!

It was too easy for his organization to go with the leaks, I think something fishy is being cooked and we will get to know all about it in coming times!!

P.S: If these leaks would have exposed the contents of Area 51, I would have been impressed, till then it all looks like a preparation for the future for a larger propaganda and miss-information, lets be skeptical !
 

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It isn't an issue of free speech. He can say whatever he wants. Those documents are the property of the US Government.
The documents are the property of the citizens of usa.

Wikileaks has shown the hypocrisy of western govt's who proclaim themselves as enlightened and bearers of free speech, transparency and democracy whilst telling other countries how to behave.
 

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The documents are the property of the citizens of usa.
I would like to see some US citizen walk onto the airbase and say about the F-22 "Give me a ride, I paid for this bitch!"


Wikileaks has shown the hypocrisy of western govt's who proclaim themselves as enlightened and bearers of free speech, transparency and democracy whilst telling other countries how to behave.
US hasn't done anything to him yet.
 

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Can you please help set up the poll? I don't know how.
I am sorry, I don't know how to create a poll
. i am the new guy here and i dont see any option to add a poll to this thread. maybe the creater of this thread can do.
 

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I am still not sure that Wikileaks is a US propaganda tool.

I mean the Afghan war diary and Iraqi helicopter video , says some pretty damming things about the way the US and NATO conduct themselves in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hillary Clinton's comments on the G4 and here requests for Embassy surveillance, I mean their embassy staff will never have the same kind of free reign(if any) again.
Sure your right, most of the stuff that was revealed was stuff that we knew or suspected.

I think the US has been hurt just as much as anybody else by these reports , i think the US more than any.
I mean come on US has a lot of damage control to do.

That being said I think Assange could be the real thing.
What he has done and i hope continues to do , genuinely help's the world.
He and his people do what we always wanted , they have exposed the world of subverting their own principles , condoning and even supporting acts that they deny publicly.

We all know that the security council knows about Pakistan , ISI and terror groups. We know they know, yet they won't do anything for the sake of their own diplomatic relations.
That information is hidden , denied and kept from us , even as a open secret it still remains a secret that we have never been able to do anything about. Yet we all hope that one day if everyhthing was made public something would happen.

That's what wikileaks does , not just for our issue with pakistan but for thousands of such issue around the.

I wholly support Assange and what he is doing.
 

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Can you please help set up the poll? I don't know how.
The poll will not be representative of India.

It will only indicate what some posters of DFI opine.

There are many in India who have more important issues at hand than the Nobel Prize.

It is a Could Know issue and not a Must Know issue.
 

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Pakistan papers sorry after running WikiLeaks hoax

ISLAMABAD -- Leading Pakistani newspapers have acknowledged they were hoaxed after publishing reports based on fake WikiLeaks cables containing crude anti-Indian propaganda.

The reports - which featured prominently in several papers on Thursday - cited alleged U.S. diplomatic cables as confirming many right-wing Pakistani views and conspiracy theories about India and the disputed Kashmir region.

Much of Pakistan's media toes a pro-military, anti-Indian line.

The instigator of the hoax material remains unclear, though it appeared to have originated on a news website known for anti-Indian and anti-Hindu articles.

One paper, The Express Tribune, published an apology on Friday. Others admitted they were hoaxed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/10/AR2010121000262.html
 
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Since WikiLeaks has published just over 1,200 of its 250,000 State Dept. cables, it's hard for news organizations to counter claims of what other revelations may be be contained in the full trove.
But the Guardian, which had been given all the documents by WikiLeaks, is now calling out the Pakistani media for publishing fake cables that supposedly cast longtime enemy India in a negative light.
Four Pakistani newspapers published the un-bylined claims, attributing the information to the pro-military Islamabad-based news service Online Agency. In the fake cables, U.S. diplomats praised Pakistani generals while taking shots at Indian generals -- one being "rather a geek" and another likened to Slobodan Milosevic.
Declan Walsh, a Guardian correspondent based in Islamabad, described the publication as "the first case of WikiLeaks being exploited for propaganda purposes."
The actual WikiLeaks cables also have gotten plenty of media attention in the country too.
But Walsh notes that the Pakistani and Western media often focus on different issues. While the West worries about Pakistan's nuclear fuel, the Pakistani media play up negative views of the country's leaders. "Among ordinary citizens," he writes, "the coverage has hardened perceptions that Pakistani leaders are in thrall to American power."
Meanwhile, dozens of protesters hit the streets in Multan, Pakistan, on Thursday to burn U.S. and British flags and condemn the imprisonment of WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange.
"The brave man was arrested because he was exposing the real face of the big powers," said organizer Tariq Naeemullah.

 

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After Osama its Assange the New pakistani Hero....wired Failed State pakistanis. However, after their media reports proven to be a propaganda; what would they say about Assange's leaks on Failed State pakistan being Epitome of Terrorism?? :happy_7:
 

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one of the many fake wikileaks story published in pakistan

This fake story is taken from -The News International

Enough evidence of Indian involvement in Balochistan, Waziristan

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=2549&Cat=13

Thursday, December 09, 2010 -

WASHINGTON: A cable from US Embassy in Islamabad leaked by whistle-blower website WikiLeaks disclosed that there were enough evidences of Indian involvement in Waziristan and other tribal areas of Pakistan as well as Balochistan.

The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha's extension in services was termed as a good omen in one such cable and it was added that his further presence on the scene would enhance the agency's abilities to combat anti-terror war.

An earlier cable ruled out any direct or indirect involvement of ISI in 26/11 under Pasha's command while Mumbai's dossier, based on prime accused Ajmal Kasab's confessional statement was termed funny and "shockingly immature".

WikiLeaks revealed that a cable sent from a US mission in India termed former Indian Army chief General Deepak Kapoor as an incompetent combat leader and rather a geek.

His war doctrine, suggesting eliminating China and Pakistan in a simultaneous war front was termed as "much far from reality". Another cable indicates that General Kapoor was dubbed as a general who was least bothered about security challenges to the country but was more concerned about making personal assets and strengthening his own cult in the army. The cable also suggested that a tug-of-war between Kapoor and the current Indian Army chief had divided the Indian Army into two groups.

General Singh has also been described as "Pakistan, China centric", with an added aggression towards China. The cable mentioned General Singh as an egotist, self-obsessed, petulant and idiosyncratic general, a braggadocio and a show-off, who has been disliked (and barely tolerated) by all his subordinates.

An earlier cable described Indian Army involved in gross human rights violations in Indian-held Kashmir while some Lt Gen HS Panag, the then GOC-in-Chief of the Northern Command of the Indian Army, was equated with General Milosevic of Bosnia with regard to butchering Muslims through war crimes.

The cable urged Washington to secretly divert UN attention towards the genocide of innocent civilians in held Kashmir at the hands of Indian Army and also suggested that US should avoid holding any joint drill with Indian Army until it stops inhuman activities in Kashmir. The cable termed one Lt Col AK Mathur as "devil's advocate" at Srinagar.

Another cable indicated involvement of top Indian Army leadership in engaging Hindu extremist militants to carry out certain terror operations to keep Indian Muslims on the back foot and to keep pressure on neighbouring Pakistan's Army and intelligence agencies, particularly the Inter-Services Intelligence.

The cable confirmed the active presence of ISI in India but it refused to confirm any involvement of ISI in any terror incident across India and did confirm intelligence collection by its agents and operatives. Another cable confirmed that there was a nexus of top Indian Army officials and extremist Hindu outfits. This cable suggested that an Indian police officer, a counter-terror specialist with the name of Hemant Karkare, had exposed this nexus to some extent when he arrested a serving colonel of Indian army, Lt Colonel Purohit, for blazing a Pakistan bound train (Samjhota Express).

The cable suggested that Hemant Karkare held a secret meeting with a senior US diplomat in New Delhi during the national day reception of a friendly country and briefed him about the gravity and the growing depth of the nexus between top Indian Army leadership and the militant Hindu fanatic groups. Karkare sought security for him and his family from the said American diplomat as he feared that the army and establishment would eliminate him as he intended to move further to expose the network. He had further briefed the said US diplomat that a former commander-in-chief of the Central Command of the Indian army, Lt Gen PN Hoon, was heading the militancy wing of the Hindu extremists and was getting full tactical, logistic and financial support from senior army officers. The day, Karkare was eliminated in a pre-planned ambush during the Mumbai attacks, a cable sent to the US read "we have lost an important link and a vital evidence".

Another cable sent to Washington termed Hindutva brotherhood in general and Shiv Sena in particular, as ticking time bombs with regard to militancy and terrorism. It was suggested that fundraisers like Hindu Students Council of America etc should be banned to raise funds as they were generating funds for the Hindu militant outfits under the garb of charity. Another file dubs Hindutva Brotherhood as a far bigger threat to regional and global peace than Taliban, al-Qaeda and LeT and the later three were declared as "peanuts" if equated with Hindutva Brotherhood and Sangh Parivaar and Washington was urged to take up the issue with New Delhi. Another cable expressed grave concern over the Indian government's ability to handle Naxal insurgency movement as 80 per cent of Indian nuclear and missile facilities were present in the insurgency hit areas of India while the Indian security forces were totally helpless in ensuring the writ of the government in that particular area, known as the "Red Corridor of India".

A cable sent from Israel described the then Israeli Military Intelligence chief, Major General Amos Yadlin as an aggressive general. He was quoted in the cable as a dire seeker of "annihilation" of Islamic Republic of Iran. In a meeting with an American diplomat, General Yadlin dubbed Iranian, Syrian and Hezbollah's weapons as "tools of terrorism" and not war weapons. He also showed immense eagerness to attack Syrian nuclear facilities.

General Yadlin also told American diplomat that timeframe of Iran nuclear weapons preparation and timeframe to attack Iran were to be totally different issues. He also differed with Americans over the ability of Iran to prepare nuclear weapons and instead said that Iran had sufficient enriched uranium to manufacture a single nuclear device and may soon have enough for making another bomb.

Iran is busy setting up two new nuclear installations, Yadlin told the US diplomat adding that M-I has indications that work has began on the installations, but did not comment on the sources. Yadlin, who was later-on replaced by Brigadier General Aviv Kochav, also spoke of Iran as the greatest threat facing Israel, not only in the nuclear respect. "Iran is sending its long arms to aid anyone who is working against Israel," Yadlin said. "Such assessments are undoubtedly weighing on Prime Minister Netanyahu's mind as he considers the possible need for an Israeli pre-emptive strike on Iran," the cable said.

Mossad chief Meir Dagan very proudly told Americans that his special team had eliminated Hamas top military strategist Izzadin Sheikh Khalil through a terror plot. The cable informed Washington that in fact Dagan had established a number of "hit teams" through which he was getting engaged in non-intelligence operations and also used these hit men for certain personal vendettas as well.

Dagan, in a meeting with US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, William Burns, proposed Americans a five point agenda to fix Iran. The focus of the agenda was to change the regime at Tehran and to launch an ethnic movement throughout Iran to destabilise the country before launching the final attack.

A cable from Kabul termed Afghan President as the "patron-in-chief" of the Afghan drug mafia. The cable, citing certain verified UNODC figures, stated that Karzai was living at the mercy of Afghan warlords who, with the passage of time, had transformed into drug lords. The cable stated that there was an annual drug trade of 3 trillion dollars from Pakistan while the Karzai administration was keeping mum over the same.

Another cable stated that Indian involvement in Afghanistan was increasing considerably and all was going on with the consent and knowledge of President Karzai and his administration. The cable further reads that growing Indian influence and presence in Afghanistan was focused towards Pakistan and China, both simultaneously.

Saudi Arabia proposed setting up an Arab force to fight Hezbollah militants in Lebanon with the help of the US, UN and Nato, according to a leaked document. In a meeting in May 2008 with a US diplomat in Iraq, David Satterfield, Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said a "security response" was needed to the "military challenge" posed to Beirut by the Iran-backed militants.

The Saudi prince feared a Hezbollah victory against the Lebanese government, led by then prime minister Fuad Siniora, would eventually lead to Iran's takeover of the country.

There was a need for an "Arab force" to create and maintain order in and around Beirut, he argued, saying the Lebanese army was "too fragile to bear more pressure," according to the cable from the US embassy in Riyadh.

Such a force would be aided by UNIFIL troops deployed in southern Lebanon, while the "US and Nato would need to provide movement and logistic support, as well as naval and air cover," the cable added.

According to a leaked document, Saudi armed forces killed Yemeni civilians when fighting Shia rebels in a brief border war despite assurances that only rebel targets were hit.

Saudi Arabia fought Yemeni rebels for several months in a border war that ended with a ceasefire in February.

In public statements during the fighting, Saudi Arabia said that only rebel positions in the border area were attacked. But the leaked cables suggest civilians died.

"Obviously some civilians died, though we wish that this did not happen," the prince, who is also assistant defence minister, said in the meeting requested by the ambassador to relay US concerns about civilian casualties in the conflict.

Prince Khaled confirmed that Saudi forces hit a building the United States believed to be a clinic but the Saudis thought it was being used as a base by rebels.

He also said the Yemeni military had helped recommend rebel targets, the cable said.The Saudi military used "massively disproportionate force" in a campaign last year against guerrillas seen by the army as "embarrassingly long," according to another leaked cable.

"Day and night aerial bombardment and artillery shelling have been the main instruments of what is increasingly regarded within the Saudi military as an embarrassingly long campaign," said the memo from the US embassy in Riyadh.

The three-month operation against the lightly armed Huthi guerrillas on the border areas with Yemen was also seen as "poorly planned and executed" and "brought unexpectedly high Saudi casualties".

"Nonetheless, the conflict has been carefully spun as a heroic and successful struggle to protect Saudi sovereignty," the memo added.

Britain faced threats from Libya of dire consequences if the ailing Lockerbie bomber died in a Scottish prison. Threats included the cessation of all British commercial activity in Libya and demonstrations against British facilities, as well as suggestions Britons in the country could be put at risk, according to the cables.

And despite London's attempts to publicly distance itself from the decision to release Abdelbaset Ali Mohmet al-Megrahi — which was made by the devolved Scottish government — the cables show enormous British relief at the move.

Libyan officials warned their British counterparts that "consequences for the UK-Libya bilateral relationship would be dire were al-Megrahi to die in Scottish prison," read one dispatch from the US ambassador to Tripoli in January 2009.

And if Washington publicly opposed the release, "the US Embassy and private Americans in Libya could face similar consequences," read the cable from the ambassador, Gene A Cretz.

Megrahi was the only person ever convicted over the 1988 bombing of a Pan Am Jumbo jet over Lockerbie, Scotland, which killed 270 people, most of them US nationals.

He was released in August, 2009, on compassionate grounds after doctors diagnosed him with prostate cancer and gave him just three months to live, sparking outrage in the United States. More than a year later he remains alive in Tripoli, however, renewing anger in the US.

One cable showed Britain's then justice minister, Jack Straw, told US diplomats that although Megrahi might have up to five years to live, the Scottish government appeared inclined to release him. "Megrahi could have as long as five years to live," said the correspondence, cited in Britain's Guardian newspaper.

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If the country's birth and existence is fake, then the news emanating from such a country has to be FAKE.

Being FAKE is their staple!

The hair is real; it's the head that's fake. The body [map] they are real, but the flesh that makes it whole, is fake!

To fake it is to stand guard over emptiness.
 
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LOL this could have come from a country which is mired in conspiracy theories. The citizens are fed dime a dozen conspiracy theories by their leader, by the establishment and by the media. For the man on the street the so call FakeLeaks resonate well their mental frame conditioned by years of propaganda a la Goebbels.
 

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Surprised that they actually did publish a redaction. I think its time ISI fired the psyops chief. Clearly he is a fool of the highest order.

Pakistani media credibility has taken a big hit and are trying to restore it. Apparently DAWN and dailytimes are the only main ones who didnt run with the story. Something to keep in mind.
 

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