Why Zaid Hamid is a success in Pakistani Society?

DaRk WaVe

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Its funny that Emo Girl as a Pakistani knows this guy is BSing but chooses to ignore rather than counter him.

In fact lets assume millions of Pakistanis know he is BSing but they are not speaking out against him, Could this be because he is popular and they choose to avoid being ridiculed by the masses by opposing him ?
a big LOL, there are people who are literally making fun of him & countering him, Don't assume things & don't give him that much importacne

http://blog.dawn.com/2010/02/18/awards-night/
 

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you know Media is all about business & they really give a Sh!t about national interests, He got people's attention with his conspiracy theories & he got famous, Channels invited him & went on & on....

I don't still don't see any 'governmental connection'
Why did he get famous ? Are Pakistanis a bunch of conspiracy theory consumers ? If, so then this confirms are worst fears.

I believe it was Hasan Nisar who said that in Pakistan the govt can make you can in a day make you a hero or a traitor.
His spectacular overnight rise is suspicious.
 

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a big LOL, there are people who are literally making fun of him & countering him, Don't assume things & don't give him that much importacne

http://blog.dawn.com/2010/02/18/awards-night/
To counter you with your logic -> how many elections NFP has won ??

I am a big fan of NFP and inspite of the fact that NFP writes anti-Pak articles, his popularity both in Pak and India is insignificant when compared to Zaid Hamid's popularity in both India and Pak.

The liberal voices of Irfan Hussain, NFP, Cyril Almeida etc. are drowned out in the din of the BS spewed by Zaid Hamid. Pakistan is hurting, Zaid Hamid's a shot of morphine.

* Not to say Zaid Hamid is popular in India.
 
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here you go..........


Clear and present danger



Belief in conspiracy theories focusing on Pakistan is not only new, it is on the increase judging by the content of public blogs and TV talk shows.

One comes across a staggering number of people who are unwilling to look inward, instead placing all the blame on any combination of the CIA, the Federal Reserve, Mossad, RAW, the US, etc.

One natural reaction to this is to dismiss conspiracy theories as a folly present in every society. Still, in developed countries conspiracy theorists and their subscribers remain at the fringe.

In Pakistan’s context, conspiracy theories are on a different scale with different implications. Going by blogs, television and anecdotal conversations with educated and illiterate people, I would surmise we are talking about a frighteningly large proportion of the mainstream. Indeed, it is common to blame the Hindus and Jews for Pakistan’s security problems; the US, Blackwater and CIA for suicide attacks. And there is a total absence of introspection.

Why is the problem on such a large scale in Pakistan considering there are parallel demagogues in other countries? Why is the Pakistani public more susceptible than its western counterparts?

The answer can only be based on common sense since studies on the issue do not exist. The country is underdeveloped, lacks a decent social and physical infrastructure, its people don’t have access to economic or educational opportunities. Living in a war theatre, they face food and water insecurity and see themselves as victims.

Victims of whom, though? Not of themselves, no not even in part, but of the perfect villain (the US, Israel, India…), they are told by our local demagogues. And the reason? Pakistan is a Muslim country, and all the villains are waging a war against Islam. These conditions make for a fertile ground for the breeding and dissemination of conspiracy theories.

Once the black and white of it has been established, and the foreign culprits, states and agencies identified and accepted as the villains, any cooperation by the government with the evil forces is seen in the same light. This extends to fighting terrorism. Well-known proponents of conspiracy theories are continuously reducing complex geopolitical issues the country is in the middle of to simply a matter of Islam vs the West (also Israel and India). And on this canvas depicting the epic battle between Islam and the West/Zionism, our political and military leadership is being painted as ‘agents’ of CIA and the US.

The implications are grave. The common man is being prevented from seeing homegrown jihadism as a fundamental part of the problem. A housewife recently phoned in to a popular television programme on a day that a suicide bomber killed scores and, piously expressing her grief without condemning the act, said, ‘but first tell me who is behind all this?’ This attitude is typical.

As the spectre of imminent doom (the Taliban’s entry into Buner) receded some months ago, thanks to the current government and the armed forces undertaking to decisively push back the extremist insurgency, people started to lapse into their dimly lit comfort zone of conspiracy theories. Why? Because neither have the enabling conditions changed, nor have the leaders and proponents of conspiracy theories been confronted.

Demagogues like Dr Israr Ahmed and Zaid Hamid are playing the game unchecked and unchallenged. The political and military leadership, including President Asif Zardari, Interior Minister Rehman Malik and army chief Gen Parvez Kayani, is being painted as a traitor for fighting militancy. The implication is that by pitting the public against these symbols of the state, and the state’s battle with militancy, conspiracy theorists are turning the public against the state itself.

This is not the Pakistan of yesterday when great games were played and deals struck behind the public’s back, when the media was largely gagged and underdeveloped and, therefore, public opinion did not matter. If a war had to be fought, it was fought, and only sold as a jihad later on to the unknowing public, as Gen Ziaul Haq did in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Today public opinion matters, as was evident in the case of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry’s reinstatement, the demise of the National Reconciliation Ordinance, the repeal of governor’s rule in Punjab and the current reshuffle of some members of the federal cabinet. For this reason, the implications of conspiracy theories pitting the public against the state on a wide scale are grave.

In the media, there are two parallel universes operating, seemingly unaware of the existence of the other. That section of the media and analysts that carries on a rational debate on issues completely ignores conspiracy theorists. The other section, made up of specific anchors, columnists and programmes, carries on with these theories as if a rational world does not exist.

There are rare exceptions, for example Dawn columnist Nadeem Paracha’s solid response to Zaid Hamid’s theories, or Fasi Zaka’s excellent pieces on the subject about a year ago. But sadly, their words would have only reached the already converted.

The widespread culture of conspiracy theories, increasingly taking on an anti state complexion, is the ticking time bomb of today. It cannot be ignored. The two parallel universes of the Pakistani media must collide, and it is the rationalist section that must catalyse the confrontation — it is not in the interest of the other to do so.

It is imperative that space is reclaimed from conspiracy theorists, for the security of the state is threatened by it. Conspiracy theories are a clear, present and internal danger and the media must take direct action. For only the media and rational elements within civil society, be they defence analysts, politicians, lawyers, retired or serving servicemen, retired judges, cabinet ministers or ambassadors, can fight it. Such credible rationalists from civil society must be invited by the media to help fight this monster. This is an enemy that the security agencies cannot fight off.

Elements in our political leadership, like Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah of the PML-N and Senior Minister NWFP Bashir Ahmed Bilour of the ANP, would also do well not to fan the ‘blame India’ trend for the sake of political expediency. Unfortunately, India is an easy target as it provides a ready excuse for security lapses, absolving to an extent the provincial and federal governments of the responsibility to ‘do more’.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...ws/pakistan/19-clear-and-present-danger-hh-03
 

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There are rare exceptions, for example Dawn columnist Nadeem Paracha’s solid response to Zaid Hamid’s theories, or Fasi Zaka’s excellent pieces on the subject about a year ago. But sadly, their words would have only reached the already converted.

That is the key point! They are not having the same impact as the clown. Nowhere near that.
 

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And what was the impact of this article of Dawn English newspaper ? Do you know how big Wake Up Pakistan has become since 14th December 2009 ? An article tucked in a middle page in an English Newspaper vs prime time Urdu TV in Pakistan. Take your pick. Is that the sort of feeble attempt Pak society can come up with ? And people feel there is hope....
 

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There are rare exceptions, for example Dawn columnist Nadeem Paracha’s solid response to Zaid Hamid’s theories, or Fasi Zaka’s excellent pieces on the subject about a year ago. But sadly, their words would have only reached the already converted.

That is the key point! They are not having the same impact as the clown. Nowhere near that.
may be because the mentioned people don't get much 'Media Coverage', Around the world if you will come with Masala Dar Theories you will get famous, its a fact, a sad fact
 

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I don't agree with the Dawn story, the details are mostly right but in essence all it is, is someone already re-hashing what is happening with regards to new trends, but with no further insight. The current and future governments are actually made to be the victim here. It seems that Dawn, known to be an official spokespiece for many circles, is already exercising plausible deniability and it's hitting no one's ears.
 

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may be because the mentioned people don't get much 'Media Coverage', Around the world if you will come with Masala Dar Theories you will get famous, its a fact, a sad fact
Fundamental difference in being famous and being an Agent provocateur. Rakhi Sawant is famous, what's her influence ?
 

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may be because the mentioned people don't get much 'Media Coverage', Around the world if you will come with Masala Dar Theories you will get famous, its a fact, a sad fact
Exactly what I and some others have been saying so far!

He is not only famous, he is molding the Pakistani society. He provides them the escape that they desperately need.

Won't the daily problems of life seem so minor when they can dream of Gazwa-Tul-Hind and Radio Pakistan Delhi.
 

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U didnt got my point, I am saying that if he entered the politics then he will certainly have the agenda, which we all know, The parties which have some what similar agenda have not even got 5% votes

i still think you are giving him extra attention
Parties are in politics to win power. Zaid Hamid's aim so far has not been to usurp power. He is happy backing the PA-ISI.
 

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hindus,jews,raw ,mossad,cia agents,blakwater in peshawar stopped zaid zaman hamid from entering college.
Amn Tehrik protest in Peshawar


We strongly condemn arrest of Amn Tehrik leaders; Governor NWFP should be removed immediately because of his support for a pro-terrorism cleric. Members of Amn Tehrik and leaders of various students organisations who opposed Zaid Hamid’s entry into the Islamia College University were locked up.

Zaid Hamid, a pro-terrorism speaker, came to Islamia College University Peshawar today. He was however forced to stop his way into college premises by the pro-peace movement students organisations. The Amn Tehrik has a secular program, which aims to promote peace and fight terrorism and extremism in the region.

It has been learnt that Governor Pukhtunkhwa Owais Ahmad Ghani granted permission to Zaid Hamid to deliver a lecture in Islamia College University. The administration of the University were ignorant about his arrival an the University.

About 13 Students belonging to pro peace federation and student societies were arrested, prominent among them were Tariq Afghan, Majid Khan, Riaz Marwat, Imtiaz Wazir, Ayaz Khan, Zohaib, Dosat Mohammad these students opposed to militant Agenda in region. The students were in the lock up of the university police station for more then 8 hours, and finally were released by the intervention of Amn Tehrik . Amn Tehreek leader rush to Islamia College University and protest against Zaid Hamid and their supporters, chanted slogan against the administration and the Governor NWFP.

The Amn Tehrik Convener Idrees Kamal and other leaders including Dr. Said Alam Mahsud, Qaiser Khan Advocate, Arbab Tahir, Asad Mayar, Zahid Buneri, Gulzar Khan, Tariq Khan, Aziz Buneri participated in protest in Islamia College University. Students of Islamia College University chanted slogan against the administration.

Amn Tehrik demanded of the federal government to dismiss the Governor who favored a terrorist religious cleric who is engaged in promoting an agenda of terrorism and extremism in the region especially among students of schools, colleges and universities in Pakistan with strong support from Secret Agencies and Pakistani establishment. Amn Tehrik and students organisations will hold a joint press conference in Peshawar Press Club shortly
 

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Parties are in politics to win power. Zaid Hamid's aim so far has not been to usurp power. He is happy backing the PA-ISI.
Yep, and thats because the PA(and as a corrollary ISI) are backing him. I dont expect Zaid Hamid to be ever in a position to challenge PA, because he has a very very interesting past which will be immediately in focus if he tries to go against PA.

EDIT: Zaid Hamid may become a leader of Pakistan but that would largely be dependent on PA's will and not on Zaid's talent or fan following.
 

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He's an ISI agent through and through, no surprises here. I wonder if anyone can find us his various references to commanding a Mujahideen unit in Afghanistan. Only those sanctioned by ISI were allowed the easy access of men, arms, and logistics to use Pakistan as a springboard into Afghanistan. There was no ifs ands or buts...even Northern Alliance had contacts with ISI no surprise either (though ISI turned their backs on them in 1989). So just a conclusion, Zaid Hamid is no doubt Inter Services Intelligence Senior Field Operative possibly even officially Retired. He has following of notable idiots like Hamid Gul. It is possible he is one of those "rogue" agents so feared by the West, because with the bureaucracy in Pakistan I am sure even this much is not clear what aims this man could really be working for.
 

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So I still don't understand why people ignore the government connection and act ignorant. I'm not making anything up here, using his own words and history to verify what he really is. May his stupid image of Pakistan and disgrace to Muslims everywhere RIP.
 

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He says two things mainly.
1. Pakistan is under threat from the whole world and all Pakistanis must defend it .Fine.
But basically it is Pakistan army which will defend it. So he is creating an environment
where people WANT PAK ARMY to take over.
2. Pakistan will defeat India soon . Fine. Who CAN do it .Again PAK army.
Now this is the most long standing desire of the people. People's wishes must be fulfilled.

Since according to him ,It is written in the holy scriptures that India will be beaten up
people will AGAIN WANT THE PAK ARMY TO PLEASE DO THIS .And this job is to be done in 2012.

He is an agent of Pak army . Simple.
 

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http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/1693

By Nadeem F. Paracha

19 November 2009

Islamabad, November 18: Famous anti-India TV personality, Zion Hamid, was caught yesterday watching Shakuntali, a popular Indian TV soap opera. The discovery was made by one of his fans who Hamid thought was his milkman.

When Hamid opened his door, the fan heard and saw the TV in the background where episode No. 5, 904 of Shakuntali was running. Talking to this reporter, the fan said that he first thought it was a conspiracy, but after noticing the genuine red cap of Hamid, he was astonished.

Shaken, the fan, 23-year-old Abdul Karim, said: ‘I couldn’t believe it! What would Muhammad Bin Qasim think when he gets to hear about this?’

When told by this reporter that Qasim died hundreds of years ago, the fan accused him and his newspaper for working for Blackwater.

‘What you think you fool Mossad, CIA, Raw agent Qasim alive in our minds, hearts and lungs so oh you shut up!’ he added.

Talking to the media after the episode, Hamid accepted that he sometimes watches Indian soaps and that even though he is of the opinion that Hindus are paleed (dirty), there is no harm in watching them on TV because they can’t touch you and can’t cast their shadow over you.

He added that he also watches Indian soaps to decode the hidden plots of the Hindus to destroy Pakistan and Islam.

‘It was by decoding the dialogue of one such Indian TV soap that I was able to discover that the Mumbai attacks were actually planned and executed by Raw and Mossad,’ he explained.

He also said that he predicted the 9/11 attacks as a Zionist conspiracy back in 1996 by watching Dil Walay Dullaniya Lay Jain Gey on his VCD player over and over again.

‘It’s all there,’ he claimed. ‘And the songs aren’t all that bad either.’

Hamid was surrounded by a vocal group of fans at the press conference.

One Barkat Ali told the reporters: ‘What this happening? Attacking great man Zion, oh so brilliant genius zindabad, zindabad you kafir Western conspiracy US agent traitors fool, fool, fool!’

Another, Sharmeen Khan, a 25-year-old university student added: ‘What this nonsense of democracy because it only Hindu, American, Zionist, Papua New Guinnean plot to destroy beloved Pakistian zindabad, zindabad, zindabad!’

Kamran Ghani, a seven-month-old toddler also addressed the press conference. He said, ‘Goo goo gagagaga goo goo … burp!’

The fans then lifted Hamid on their shoulders and carried him to a nearby McDonald’s outlet where they all chanted slogans like ‘Amreeka ki ghulami namazoor’ over a couple of Big Macs, large Cokes and a romantic song sung by Wali Azmat called, ‘I hate Jews Yea, Yea, Yea,’ a song from Azmat’s forthcoming album, ‘Zionists ate my Homework.’

The album is dedicated to all the Taliban who died in American drone attacks. When asked why didn’t he also dedicate the album to all those who’ve died from Taliban’s suicide attacks, Azmat said, that there were no suicide bomb attacks in Pakistan and that all those people we see slaughtered and dismembered on our TV screens actually died from dengue fever. When asked how he can prove this, he said that one should watch the third season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

‘It’s all there,’ he claimed. ‘And the chicks aren’t all that bad either.’

Meanwhile in Lahore, Tehrik-e-Imran chief, Insaaf-e-Khan lauded Zion Hamid’s efforts for decoding vital truths about Hindu conspiracies from Indian soap operas.

Talking to a group of rabid rightwing columnists at his residence, the great Khan said that Pakistan was in great danger from all kinds of plots being hatched by its enemies, especially Asif Zardari Bhutto Zardari Bhutto, Bilawal Zardari Bhutto Zardari, and the ghost of late Benazir Bhutto.

‘This government is sucking the blood of poor Pakistanis,’ he told the rabid rightwing communists all of whom then started to sing the national anthem in unison.

‘This government has sold Pakistan’s strategic and political interests to America!’ Khan added, to which the rabid rightwing columnists started burning George Washington and Abraham Lincoln’s effigies.

Praising the columnists’ bravery, Khan promised them to meet again after he returned from New York where he will undergo a cheekbone operation.

The columnists informed him that they too will be in New York for sightseeing, except for one, who got up and started burning Henry Truman’s effigy. He was the one who failed to secure an American visa.

Khan termed this to be racial discrimination and a CIA conspiracy.

Later in the day, the issue was discussed on a famous TV talk show on a local news channel.

Participating in the show were the incensed columnist, a rabid rightwing reporter, a PPP Minster, and a woman in a burqa.

‘This is an outrage!’ said the reporter. ‘Blackwater is behind this,’ he announced.

When asked how he knew, he picked up a Class One children’s nursery rhymes book and claimed: ‘It’s all here. And the rhymes aren’t all that bad either.’

The PPP Minister, Rehman Malika Zardari Bhutto Zardari, promised that his government will look into the issue, to which the reporter landed a swift punch on Malika’s face.

When Malika’s bodyguards tried to stop the reporter, the talk show’s host accused the government of curbing the freedom of the press.

‘This is an outrage!’ he said. ‘I implore the Army to intervene, overthrow this incompetent government and impose martial law!’

Mr. Malika apologised and started to land punches on his own face saying that the government too believed in the freedom of the press.

This made the reporter very happy who asked Malika to raid book stores and confiscate all secular literature because solutions to Pakistan’s problems lie in jihadi literature.

‘It’s all there!’ he claimed. ‘And the topics aren’t all that bad either.’

Turning to the woman in a burqa, the show’s host asked if she agreed.

‘The real problem lies in women wearing jeans,’ she said.

The host asked her to elaborate, to which she said: ‘The real problem is in women wearing jeans.’

‘Yes, but can you please elaborate?’ asked the host.

‘The real problem lies in women wearing jeans!’ she said again.

‘Please elaborate,’ the host insisted.

‘But that’s all I was asked to say,’ she said.

‘By whom?’ inquired the host.

‘By you!’ she said.

‘This is an outrage!’ said Mr. Malika, and in response, the host punched him and proceeded to burn an American flag. He burned half of it and announced that the other half will be burnt later because he had to catch a flight.

‘To where?’ asked Mr. Malika.

‘California,’ said the host. ‘I have to attend my son’s graduation ceremony.’

Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com.
 

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Its amazing that DFI has dedicated a thread for this guy. Do speeches of this really matters? I only listen to him on youtube to laugh and pass away my fun time.......... Anyways all my opinion. Carry-on for the sake of providing a fixed place for guy like me to enjoy.
 

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With Zaid Hamid exposed, check his admission of links with a controversial sect, it appears Mr. Zaid Hamid's time is limited. Bring on the next Conspiracy Theorist PA-ISI. TIA.
 

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^^ Agreed his character is under mass attack by some of the same elements that are termed "liberal extremists" but also from the most conservative of society...the crowd that gave birth to Zaid Hamid's initial forays in religion when he was a member of a Taliban group during the Afghan war and Civil War... and this guy is also bashing all "Maulvi" (he distances himself at the same time clap) because they are usually non-alligned with the government's objectives, he wants to monopolize on the Maulana sector and at the same time market himself to the younger, dumber generations, get everyone cheering and pumped and strap on vests to everyone's back and have them rush into Kashmir while his crazed zombie students force Shariat and remove the current government. If Zaid Hamid's theories are allowed for discussion I would also like to put forth good theories to counter his silly ones. I also don't like the Misfortunate Gavarmant of Pakishtan but I hate the portion of the establishment that likes Afghan Taliban and thinks they are saviors of Afghanistan and bringers of Khilafat. Their garbage should be SPAT ON in open, verbal and written.
 

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