Discussion in 'Subcontinent & Central Asia' started by HeinzGud, Mar 22, 2016.
you have no idea about history !
Who migrated? Vijaya was an Indian prince. He wasn't a Sinhalese.
If you say Sinhalese migrated please tell me what happened to the Sinhalese in India,
So you take note of the history from maps like these? Dude.......
Can we just stop with the whole egg and chicken show?
This thread was started to discuss whether Sri Lanka had any chance of economic survival and growth without India.
Again I would reiterate that Sri Lanka does not need Indian economic integration if it wants to remain an economic backwater without any real consequence in the world or the subcontinent for that matter.
Sri Lanka must accept it's position as a geographical satellite of India and also recognize that India is today the third largest global economy on a PPP basis with a PPP GDP 40 times larger than than the GDP of Sri Lanka.This gap will only increase as India's economic liberalization picks up steam.
Sri Lanka can choose to ride along with India ,we would be more than happy to use Colombo as one of our deep water entrepôts. Or it can choose to let the opportunity pass it by and simply be subsumed by the rise of a giant.
India will never invade Sri Lanka because we won't need to ,we simply aren't interested now. But if we are forced into hostility we'll just buy every political leader and military general you have,we will buy every election result you hold. Sri Lanka will be ours without firing a shot .
The only education I need regarding blood and soil nationality is on Ironmarch thank very much.....
Lol Sinhalese created civilization? They merely supplanted the one already created by Tamils. Sinhalese also migrated. Tamilians have own civilization history. They have been living in Sri Lanka for multiple Centuries, they have their own food,living style, rituals, language, religion, customs & script. That's Enough to be called civilization in Sri Lanka.
Genetically its indicated Sinhalese originated from Kalinga Area, so your genetic cousins would be modern day Odisha & Bengali people of India.
Veddha have been influenced by both Tamil and Sinhalese culture. Read: http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Vedda.aspx.
There is nothing as called "Holy Right". As I said if length of occupancy mattered, then Tamils and Vedda have more right than Sinhalese. I am basing my argument on your "holy right" hypothesis. If my theory is wrong, then so is your hypothesis., which would then prove the original point, that Tamils Vedda and all other lankan communities have equal rights over Sri Lanka as Sinhalese
What a childish thing to say. Take a hypothetical case of someone who migrates to Sri Lanka, marries a Lankan, gains citizenship, don't they have equal rights as equal citizens? do they have to wait for thousand years to have basic human rights? You treat people like that and you claim to be 'civilized'? where's the civility?
Where have you pulled out this twisted civilization theory from? I wonder if someone comes to your house and asks for some water do you ask him to go and come back when he forms a civilization of his own before he can get any water? What kind of Buddhism are you following? you are talking like a Buddhist Mullah.
He says its "Holy Right". Is he a Sinhalese or Paki masquerading as Sinhali?
You lost with your logic and as a last resort trying to play tricks, you are also denying the historic facts.
Lazy Sri Lankans have failed to develop their economic sectors and now whine about trade deficit and lack of service sector companies.
As far as bollywood "cultural invasion" is concerned, a superior culture will crush inferior and lazy culture anyday.
R.I.P. 30 character rule.
There's a piece of land in your backyard.
Why not conquer it?
So, Indians migrated there.
What Tamil civiliation was there before Sinhalese? Please explain.
Besides Sri Lankan Tamil culture and is no difference from Tamilnadu culture. Both are the same. It shows the recent arrival of Tamils in Jaffna.
It has not genetically proven that Sinhalese has Bengali blood. IMHO they should have more Tamil blood. BTW you seems that you have nothing to present here but baseless claims.
Veddha's have being influenced by Sinhalese and Tamils from very recently. Don't talk about things you don't know.
Again.. how Veddhas become Tamils?
You don't even know what happened to the Sinhalese in India if you point is correct. But you put forth the ideas like they are true. First do some research.
Of course Vijaya is a Indian. Is there any doubt? Are you denouncing his ethnicity?
I was talking about nation states. Not about individual people. Sri Lankan citizen have every right just like their Indian counterpart.
Are you people this stupid? You are a disgrace to your country.
Sri Lanka has developed well without any intergration with Indian economy for the past 65 years or so. Why do yo think we need to integrate into Indian just now? I think that's absurd.
Sri Lanka can develop itself on her own without assistance from India. But the issue is that India is forcing in to assist Sri Lanka without her approval. That is IMHO is bullying.
Sri Lanka need not to ride along India to develop. Sri Lanka has being an independent economy for eons in the past because of her geographic location. That's what Sri Lanka is capitalizing on.
@HeinzGud, you keep on repeating the same statement. I told you - hang your President from the lamp post who took Indian aid. You have no need of accepting the aid. Simply return it. Case closed.
Indian envoy takes on Sri Lankan Opposition over economy pact
India’s High Commissioner Y.K. Sinha has taken on former President Mahinda Rajapaksa and the Joint Opposition, an informal coalition of pro-Rajapaksa parties and groups, over the proposed Economic and Technology Cooperation Agreement (ETCA) between India and Sri Lanka.
Referring to reported observations of the former President and members of the Joint Opposition against the ETCA, Mr. Sinha, who did not mention the name of any Sri Lankan leader opposing the pact, told members of the Sri Lanka-India Society on Friday that he was “surprised” to come across Mr. Rajapaksa’s statements in sections of the local press on the issue.
Recalls CEPA talks
It was Mr. Rajapaksa’s government that held negotiations with India over the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA), which had included “trade in services.” He described as “quite amusing” the statements of members of the Joint Opposition, some of whom were Ministers during the Rajapaksa regime, when the CEPA, he said, was negotiated.
Mr Sinha’s response was in the context of views expressed in certain quarters that the proposed ETCA would deprive job opportunities for Sri Lankans in a host of fields including information technology and the Free Trade Agreement, effective since March 2000, had not been beneficial to Sri Lanka.
“Constrained to join the debate”
Qualifying his rebuttal, the diplomat said “I hesitate to get into the political controversy” but he felt “constrained” to join the debate because “I do not think we should let naysayers take all the public space on this issue without anyone else trying to put the facts.”
Emphasising that he had not seen any draft text of the ETCA, he said what he received “two days ago” was a draft text of the framework agreement, which might form the basis for further negotiations. He hastened to add that the draft framework agreement “is not necessarily an indication” of the nature and coverage of the discussions to be held in future.
Says 2005-2008 talks “almost concluded”
Giving an account of the CEPA negotiations during 2005-2008 (when Mr. Rajapaksa was President), he said the CEPA, “which is [now] a dirty word here,” was “almost concluded.” Sixteen rounds of negotiations were held, many of which were “detailed.”
Even the two countries had “tentatively” agreed on a draft. “At the last minute, the Government of Sri Lanka indicated its inability to sign that agreement,” which was subsequently “shelved.”
Opening two sectors against India’s 80
As part of the now-aborted agreement, under Mode 4 [of the General Agreement on Trade in Services] which pertained to “movement of natural persons,” Sri Lanka had agreed to open up two sectors -- marine ship building and information technology (IT)/ IT-Enabled Services, both of which were “very limited fields,” while India would throw open nearly 80 sectors.
Even in the respect of the two fields of the services sector, it was sought to be done at the request of the government of Sri Lanka, which felt that India could help it immensely. “We do not know what the ETCA will do because serious negotiations have not begun,” Mr. Sinha pointed out.
How the pact began
Tracing the genesis of the proposed pact, the High Commissioner said Sri Lanka’s Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe, during his visit to New Delhi in September, had set “very ambitious timelines,” according to which the framework agreement should be concluded by 2015 end or 2016 early and the final agreement by June 2016.
The diplomat expressed the hope that there would be an understanding over the framework of the ETCA soon.
Indian investment since 2003
On the rationale behind the fresh pact, he said there was no formal agreement in place to regularise “investment and services” even though India invested $one billion since 2003 and another $1.5 billion to 2 billion was in the pipeline, apart from the existence of three modes of trade in services and the issue of 350-400 employment visas by Indian High Commission to Sri Lankan nationals last year.
Terming “absurd” the argument that the 16-year-old FTA had not been beneficial to Sri Lanka, he said that in 1999, the value of Sri Lankan exports to India was $49 million and this went up to $645 million in 2015. Noting that there had not been much increase in the value of Sri Lankan exports since 2005, he raised the question whether this was due to “limited” base of the exports. He added that that the regulatory framework in India was “non-discriminatory.”
‘Ambulance service not linked to ETCA’
The Emergency Ambulance Health Protection Service, modelled on the lines of the “108 Emergency Response Services” of India and being implemented with Indian government’s grant of $ 7.55 million, has nothing to do with the proposed Economic and Technology Cooperation Agreement (ETCA), Mr. Sinha has said.
Expressing dismay over the controversy on the launch of the scheme, Mr. Sinha said the service was in response to a “specific request” made by Sri Lanka’s Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe to his counterpart Narendra Modi during the latter’s visit here last year.
“We were not that keen”
Admitting that originally, the Indian side was not “that keen” when the request was made, the High Commissioner said this was because India had already extended its portfolio and it was providing assistance of over $2.6 billion (grants and loans combined). But, the service eventually came through as Mr. Wickremesinghe had followed up the matter with a formal letter and some Sri Lankan Ministers had visited India to study how the service was working.
He clarified that ambulances would be registered in the name of the Ministry of Health and Indigenous Medicine in the government of Sri Lanka and not that of GVKEMRI of India, the implementing agency in the initial phase. The service would be offered free of charge as long as the Indian government was funding it, he added.
No to CEPA but nod for economic and technology collaboration with India: Ranil
‘India-Sri Lanka trade pact not on agenda’
Modi ‘persuasion’ leads Sri Lanka to rethink CEPA
~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~
Because North is the "undeveloped, war ravaged part, Tamil dominated" part of Lanka. If India were to receive Aid they will be used in tribal, undeveloped areas. Not in Madras.
I think you are oblivious to news that came out of Lanka due to ur biasedness of love towards Rajapakse. Hambantota port is running in losses and most of the ships still prefer Colombo port. And loans are at higher cost than Indian loans. Check out yourself.
Like I said you can remain an economic backwater if that suits you.
Also good you brought your ports up just who do you think gives your ports business?
Most of the business handled by Sri Lankan ports is for India( by some accounts upto 70%), you are already integrated into our economy whether you want it or not.
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