Why India and China not happy with each other and how could we settle it?

kickok1975

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Ignorance is no excuse. Considering that you obviously have access to the internet, and hopefully your government has not censored those thousands of webpages documenting the Chinese-Pakistani nuclear nexus, it should not be hard for you to do some research and get the right information. Not only did China provide Pakistan with nuke designs, your govt also tested a nuclear weapon for Pak in 1980.



You have to make up your mind. If you feel that the world has become more peaceful after nuclear weapons have introduced, and you don't know why Pakistan should not have nukes, then by that logic, obviously every country should have nukes. Why just Pakistan or India or China? So should Vietnam, Japan, Mongolia, North Korea, Somalia, Afghanistan etc. So China should have no right to feel offended if India gives nukes to these countries.

If on the other hand, you think extremists should not have nukes, then obviously states with extremist ideologies should also not have nukes. So countries like Pakistan, Iran or Libya, which are warmongering religious nutcases, should also be barred from having nukes.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
You didn't get it. Pakistan develops Nuclear weapon because India developed it. Isn't it true whenever India has something, Pakistan will have same thing as well. It's nation's survive instinct. Pakistan tested nuclear bomb right after India did it, not helped by China, but by Pakistan's own nuclear scientists. If India and Pakistan don't find a way to get along with, such military rivalry will continue for years to come.
 

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Pakistan tested nuclear bomb right after India did it, not helped by China, but by Pakistan's own nuclear scientists.
You can close your eyes to reality all you want, but that doesn't change it.

Since I haven't commented on the 2nd part of your topic, "How we could settle it", it is rather simple. China should end its strategic partnership with Pakistan and work with India to establish a strategic relationship. It is rather a simple choice. You can either be friends with a terrorist nation-an unstable, Islamic Republic of 170 million which is ruled by its army, or a democratic, secular, progressive nation of 1.2 billion.

Which side your government will pick will decide the future course of peace or conflict in Asia.
 

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It's nation's survive instinct. Pakistan tested nuclear bomb right after India did it, not helped by China, but by Pakistan's own nuclear scientists.
Are you trying to say that Pakistan were sitting like a holy cow before and built a nuclear bomb from scratch just in a month's time after India conducted tests?
What difference does it make if their tests came a month after ours?

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You can close your eyes to reality all you want, but that doesn't change it.

Since I haven't commented on the 2nd part of your topic, "How we could settle it", it is rather simple. China should end its strategic partnership with Pakistan and work with India to establish a strategic relationship. It is rather a simple choice. You can either be friends with a terrorist nation-an unstable, Islamic Republic of 170 million which is ruled by its army, or a democratic, secular, progressive nation of 1.2 billion.

Which side your government will pick will decide the future course of peace or conflict in Asia.
That's my proposal as well. China and India should establish strategic relationship to cooperate in world stage. However, I still hope India-Pakistan no longer treat each other as enemy and normalize relationship once for all.
 

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You can close your eyes to reality all you want, but that doesn't change it.

Since I haven't commented on the 2nd part of your topic, "How we could settle it", it is rather simple. China should end its strategic partnership with Pakistan and work with India to establish a strategic relationship. It is rather a simple choice. You can either be friends with a terrorist nation-an unstable, Islamic Republic of 170 million which is ruled by its army, or a democratic, secular, progressive nation of 1.2 billion.

Which side your government will pick will decide the future course of peace or conflict in Asia.
if you solve your problem with pakistan then may be possible.

china cannot "ditch" existing ally
 

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India was the only country which made Pakistan to have nukes. Instead of complaining about China allying with Pakistan, India should take the bitter consequences caused by her recklessness in setting off the first nuclear bomb in the subcontinent.

China didn't provide nuclear technology to Pakistan, because they were fully capable of developing their own. You Indians can do it, so can the Pakistanis. So stop flattering yourself by underestimating others.

China is willing to improve relationship with India without any premise attached, for example, China will not appease India by abandoning Pakistan. Neither will China request India to make any major adjustment to its current foreign policy.
 

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India was the only country which made Pakistan to have nukes. Instead of complaining about China allying with Pakistan, India should take the bitter consequences caused by her recklessness in setting off the first nuclear bomb in the subcontinent.
This is really amusing considering that China was the first country in Asia to get nukes, thus beginning the Asian arms race.


China didn't provide nuclear technology to Pakistan, because they were fully capable of developing their own. You Indians can do it, so can the Pakistanis. So stop flattering yourself by underestimating others.
Give me a break. Pakistanis can't even make their own car. You expect them to make nukes?


China is willing to improve relationship with India without any premise attached, for example, China will not appease India by abandoning Pakistan. Neither will China request India to make any major adjustment to its current foreign policy.
We don't need to ask you to abandon Pakistan. Your friends are abandoning themselves.
 

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i think it is impossible to convince them, luckily the status quo is favorable for us.

maybe indians can ask themselves, if they did not host tibet exile govt, and did not forward policy on to chinese land, would china and pakistan be such good friend after 1960's?

action lead to reaction
You are right, Action lead to Reaction, if China did not exile them why are they here? India was the first country that recognizance Tibet,this is not like Kashmir where Pakistan does not recognizance it. Dali Lama was never armed to go and fight China like what Pakistan and China did against India. Lets put things in the past and move on, disputes are there in every walk of life, even in our personal life but we dont resort to hate and killing then do we?
 

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how easily you forget that i also said forward policy

host tibet exile govt, and forward policy leads to sino-indian war

next time you ask why china arms pakistan, ask yourself why we did not arm them before 1960s
China conducted its nuclear test in 1964 so how would you give pakistan something you dont have?

You did not arm them before because all states where new back then and we all never saw the picture as it is today.
 

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China conducted its nuclear test in 1964 so how would you give pakistan something you dont have?

You did not arm them before because all states where new back then and we all never saw the picture as it is today.
why you think "arm" means nuclear weapon?

i was talking about conventional weapons
 

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India was the only country which made Pakistan to have nukes. Instead of complaining about China allying with Pakistan, India should take the bitter consequences caused by her recklessness in setting off the first nuclear bomb in the subcontinent.

China didn't provide nuclear technology to Pakistan, because they were fully capable of developing their own. You Indians can do it, so can the Pakistanis. So stop flattering yourself by underestimating others.

China is willing to improve relationship with India without any premise attached, for example, China will not appease India by abandoning Pakistan. Neither will China request India to make any major adjustment to its current foreign policy.
We are willing to improve the relations without any premise attached but support of hostile intentions and countries towards each other must end. We welcome the rise of peaceful China more so than the Americans, Europeans or Japanese because they are actually jealous when a poor country develops, India on the other hand sees it as an rise of Asia. Just notice or read into our members post, even the ones who sound hostile to you never say that we dont want China to grow or wish them well, obviously we have security concerns that need to be addressed.

This tit for tat game and blameing each other will never end, conflicts exist in all walks of life. Even among family like between brothers or parents we have major disputes, like for land or money so do we say that they are not our family or try to kill them? No, if every time a kid fights his brother for toys it does not mean he should hate him or kill him, right? We try to compromise or give and take a few things and thats how we live in everyday life. Why is this any different when it comes to nations? The world is a limited place so all of us share the same air, water and land, we cant fight over those because no one really owns that. No one owns the air or the waters, offcourse if you see Discovery channel you see animals piss on tress to marks on land and think it belongs to them, we humans do the same on maps but generally everything belongs to all life in this planet. Offcourse that is not an diplomatic answer but that is the truth.
 
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why you think "arm" means nuclear weapon?

i was talking about conventional weapons
China back then did not see the picture as it is today and neither did Pakistan. We can both dispute the past but that will never come to an end, even if either of us are right we wont give up our points because we want to defend our own egos. That path is a dead end as it is proven time and again. What is there now is the prosperity of our people and almost all Indians support the rise of China but we dont support the CCP which sees our past common culture as an threat ever since the cultural revolution. I know you may not agree but trust me if it was not for Communism then India and China would have never been hostile under any other type of government.
 

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To those chinese who are deluding themselves or trying to pull wool over others regarding the Chinese help in Pak nuke program, here is a wake up call

Libyan Arms Designs Traced Back to China

Investigators have discovered that the nuclear weapons designs obtained by Libya through a Pakistani smuggling network originated in China, exposing yet another link in a chain of proliferation that stretched across the Middle East and Asia, according to government officials and arms experts.

The bomb designs and other papers turned over by Libya have yielded dramatic evidence of China's long-suspected role in transferring nuclear know-how to Pakistan in the early 1980s, they said. The Chinese designs were later resold to Libya by a Pakistani-led trading network that is now the focus of an expanding international probe, added the officials and experts, who are based in the United States and Europe.
 

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even IF it is true, china was not a part of NPT at that time

we had no legal obligation whatsoever, same as how america (->israel) and russia (->china) helped nuclear programmes in their allies
 

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even IF it is true, china was not a part of NPT at that time

we had no legal obligation whatsoever, same as how america (->israel) and russia (->china) helped nuclear programmes in their allies
I don't care if it is legal or not or if US/Russia proliferated to others or not, all I care is China proliferated to Pakistan to contain and damage India through its proxy Pakistan. And we still see the effects of nuke weapons transfer in the form of terrorist attack on India by the nuke embolden Pakistan. If it were not for nuke weapons, Pakistan would have been punished and terrorists activities against India would have been contained. But alas, nuclear over-hang prevents such actions from India, thanks (or no thanks) to Chinese perfidy.
 

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What do Chinese members think India should do with the Dali Lama? What is the solution to his problem?
 

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What do Chinese members think India should do with the Dali Lama? What is the solution to his problem?
They want us to create a Black Jail in India and throw Dalai Lama and his supporters in that Jail .
 

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Chinese are stickler to their old sayings,the one that comes to mind with regards to india and China,the one the commy's subscribe to in all earnestness,is that 'two lion cant live together on a mountain(or some thing to that effect).Indian and China cannot strategically reconcile beyond point.

As two powerful countries,neighbors at that,with hopes of emerging as preeminent world powers,Indo-Sino strategic power play will be dictated by the equation of zerosum mathematics.The entire process of strategic manoeuvrings,between India and China,has been and will be directed at generating a geopolitical situation,which even if does not result in strategic gain,should necessarily cause loss to the other.

China will continue to make efforts to aide power buffers in indian strategic neighborhood,whether it is Pakistan or Nepal,India will have no other option but to the smash these potential buffers,if it has to retain its strategic autonomy.Since China has upped the ante by breaching and infringing into its strategic space,India must respond in Kind

Dalai lama's unique political philosophy,has previously prevented us from being adventurous with regards to Tibet,the recent change in guard in the Tibetan govt should give the Tibetan leadership a more room to innovative and aggressive in their effort to oust the Chinese,India must see how we can utilize this to China's disadvantage.

However all this will happen,even as they maintain peaceful bilateral relationship.
 

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