why hasnt india inducted a high quality apc/ifv

[pack leader]

one of the biggest holes in IA capability is the lack of a descent high quality
universal multipurpose vehicle that will play many roles and solve many problems
it will function as a light tank / ifv / apc / bridge layer / rocket tank destroyer
in my opinion the best contenders will be the Swedish cv90 and the Spanish Austrian collaboration ascod
you should simply build a factory in india and license produce one of them like t-90

discuss ........

 

[ace009]

one of the biggest holes in IA capability is the lack of a descent high quality
universal multipurpose vehicle that will play many roles and solve many problems
it will function as a light tank / ifv / apc / bridge layer / rocket tank destroyer
in my opinion the best contenders will be the Swedish cv90 and the Spanish Austrian collaboration ascod
you should simply build a factory in india and license produce one of them like t-90

discuss ........

The APC/ IFV are all stuck with the same problem - IA and MoD bureaucracy and red-tape. Ever since Bofors, any IA aquisition is pathetically slow and meander along till the problems comes to bite their a$$.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Isn't the Abhay IFV meant to replace the BMP-2 vehicles?

Abhay Infantry Fighting Vehicle | Military-Today.com

 

[civfanatic]

An APC/IFV isn't a fighter jet. The qualities that account for a good APC/IFV are ruggedness, reliability, and ease of use, not how fancy it is.

With these parameters in mind, the BMP-2 remains a world-class IFV, and they are produced in India by the hundreds.

 

[pack leader]

Godless-Kafir:
bedsides not bean complete and far from induction phase
this model is under powered and under-armored
simply not up there with the rest
Combat Vehicle 90 Family - BAE Systems
ASCOD (Pizarro / Ulan) Tracked Armoured Fighting Vehicles - Army Technology

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Godless-Kafir:
bedsides not bean complete and far from induction phase
this model is under powered and under-armored
simply not up there with the rest
Combat Vehicle 90 Family - BAE Systems
ASCOD (Pizarro / Ulan) Tracked Armoured Fighting Vehicles - Army Technology

First of all when we have more than 1500 IFV how did you say there was a huge gap in our IFV force?

Also how would you know that it is under powered when 24hp per ton is the norm in IFVs? Also the model is under testing and there is no hurry to replace the BMP-2 which can be manufactured in CVRDE.

 

[pack leader]

An APC/IFV isn't a fighter jet. The qualities that account for a good APC/IFV are ruggedness, reliability, and ease of use, not how fancy it is.

With these parameters in mind, the BMP-2 remains a world-class IFV, and they are produced in India by the hundreds.

you are totally wrong
the main thing is the quality of rendered services be it troop Cary, troop fire support est est
then there is the quality of protection and comfort of the crew
off course reliability plays a role but it's a second roll to capability
this is a must for you to be taken seriously by friends and enemies alike

 

[pack leader]

40 t is the norm for tracked ifv in all first class army's except Russia

 

[sayareakd]

40 t is the norm for tracked ifv in all first class army's except Russia

we follow Russian weapon system that is why we have less weight IFV,, BTW our MBT is only 46T, Now their is competition for IFV, all public and private players with JV are invited(this is for the first time) lets see what happens hope we will get heavy protection vehicle with modern gun and other fighting capabilities.

 

[sayareakd]

just bit off the topic, here is how last armored jeep competition happen we still dont know the result, may be TATA won because of cheap product.

hope this type of competition happen for IFV.

 

[pack leader]

t 90 is a decent compromise bmp 3 is a big mistake
all bmp series have crappy ergonomics and are made out of aluminum (aka death trap)

 

[pack leader]

you make plenty of cars you don't need outsiders for that
so a combat light vehicle will be a noon issue
the problem lays in medium weight tracked platforms

 

[Solid Beast]

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[sayareakd]

@Pack our forces love BMP because it is tested all across the country in rough and tough weather. Ofcourse inside it is hot as hell and yes it is death trap, since we have licence production right and IA wants it they are making it.

BTW check this one BMP with 105 mm gun.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8gXQngrI7x8/S3qly6gzSzI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/FgM70uhmI0Q/s1600/16022010909.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8gXQngrI7x8/S3qk_hykOfI/AAAAAAAAAOA/VcJWHBevvzU/s1600/16022010907.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8gXQngrI7x8/S3uMKItna3I/AAAAAAAAAV4/lcsMce3JE7s/s1600/16022010906.jpg

 

[pack leader]

Are the newer versions of the Merkava such as Mk. 4 I guess, still capable of carrying troops like the older Mk. ? Seems to be a good idea although this makes the design turn out to be larger than other contemporary tanks which increases hit probability for anti tank missiles and causes sores in the logistics chain. I think for South Asian terrain, wheeled IFV's are the best for rapid deployment. Automatic unmanned turrets are also the wave of the future, one version with a high powered auto-cannon and another fitted with anti air assets.

this is an urban myth a merkava can carry 4 extra troops or one stretcher for short period of time
mainly for evacuation .
a merkava is slightly smaller and more compact then Abrams or challenger
we us namer for apc / ifv but it's too heavy for you

 

[pack leader]

the polish light tank you were discussing in a different thread is a cv 90 derivative why not embark on a bigger effort
trust me both ascod and cv 90 have excellent mobility and modular armor for easy upgrades

 

[bhramos]

this is an urban myth a merkava can carry 4 extra troops or one stretcher for short period of time
mainly for evacuation .
a merkava is slightly smaller and more compact then Abrams or challenger
we us namer for apc / ifv but it's too heavy for you

you are also a fancy about defence, who thinks yours is best and others are worst and bad, like most of the Indian youth, may not be most of the DFI members. but most of the Indian youth thinks, LCA is Superior to F-22 and Arjun can beat M-2 Abhrams,
so you are similar mentality guy, discussion with you is waste of time, you dont accept the Truth, even Pak youth idiots claim they won the war with India in 1947,65,71....... like you,
BMP-II is a good combat vehicle may not be the best... you are from Israel, i accept the Israel is great, if it was that great why could it solve its own issues like gazza, lol.......

 

[pack leader]

@Pack our forces love BMP because it is tested all across the country in rough and tough weather. Ofcourse inside it is hot as hell and yes it is death trap, since we have licence production right and IA wants it they are making it.

BTW check this one BMP with 105 mm gun.

great an obsolete vehicle with an obsolete gun

 

[pack leader]

you are also a fancy about defence, who thinks yours is best and others are worst and bad, like most of the Indian youth, may not be most of the DFI members. but most of the Indian youth thinks, LCA is Superior to F-22 and Arjun can beat M-2 Abhrams,
so you are similar mentality guy, discussion with you is waste of time, you dont accept the Truth, even Pak youth idiots claim they won the war with India in 1947,65,71....... like you,


BMP-II is a good combat vehicle may not be the best... you are from Israel, i accept the Israel is great, if it was that great why could it solve its own issues like gazza, lol.......

so can"t come up with a good answer start throwing insults very bad move
stop being butthurt and learn from others it my help you in the end

 

[bhramos]

@Pack our forces love BMP because it is tested all across the country in rough and tough weather. Ofcourse inside it is hot as hell and yes it is death trap, since we have licence production right and IA wants it they are making it.

BTW check this one BMP with 105 mm gun.




great an obsolete vehicle with an obsolete gun

India is best in tactics and won many wars with some obsolete soviet weapons, like Mig-21,29 and so on, no other country with has good history with Mig-21 n 29, it was a great success in IAF only, due its best maintainable in IAF and tactics too..