Why Do Tibetans Self-immolate?

[t_co]

Hacking is illegal, at least in India and even in the US.

Would someone state he is a hacker so that he is jailed?

If hackers are not smart, I wonder who is!

Hacking is no child's play, it requires brains and a devious one at that!

Except he might not be based in the US, and he might be releasing things to get publicity? Also, from what I've seen, publicizing your hacking work tends to increase your employment opportunities at an even greater rate than the chances of getting jailed

 

[Ray]

@t.co

I don't hate or dislike China.

Therefore my vision is not clouded.

It is just that I see through the smog that you all release to hide and camouflage the truth and reality.

And that is what gets your goat.

And then you go into fond delusional about me and my posts!

Is there any reason to hate a country?

 

[t_co]

@t.co

I don't hate or dislike China.

Therefore my vision is not clouded.

It is just that I see through the smog that you all release to hide and camouflage the truth and reality.

And that is what gets your goat.

And then you go into fond delusional about me and my posts!

Is there any reason to hate a country?

All due respect to your prior experience in the Indian Army notwithstanding, you seem to approach many of the Chinese and Pakistani posters here with a default assumption that they are brainwashed or colored by censorship and hence their views are invalid. What's more, you (and some other DFI posters) sometimes use this as a substitute for reasoned, logical debate.

First off, if someone posts at DFI, chances are they already see enough "uncensored" points of view from this forum alone that the brainwashing argument doesn't hold water. Second, even if they were, the logical fallacy of ad hominem means that you can't just discount someone's views because of their personal characteristics.

Now that I've learned you served as a senior officer in the Indian Army, I know that you're capable of better logic than this. I'd be happy to join you in making these discussions a better place.

 

[mikhail]

1 the avatar may be a hero of 1962 war......do put you pow hero in your avatar if you like.....

2 china was never a colony of japan like the way british india existed.....because chinese did resist and fight.....which people from common wealthy may not understand.....so japanese finally surrenderred to china and brits finally put india in common wealth.......

3 americans did help china in ww2 which no one is denying...just like bangladeshes helped indian troops in 1971 war......

come on man look at him,he surely would have been a POW during the WW-2 as the entire pla surrendered at that time to the mighty IJA en masse!n btw looking at the history of pla they have a habit of either surrendering en masse or running away with their tails between their legs from battlefields!

 

[Bhoja]

1 the avatar may be a hero of 1962 war......do put you pow hero in your avatar if you like.....

2 china was never a colony of japan like the way british india existed.....because chinese did resist and fight.....which people from common wealthy may not understand.....so japanese finally surrenderred to china and brits finally put india in common wealth.......

3 americans did help china in ww2 which no one is denying...just like bangladeshes helped indian troops in 1971 war......

The Chinese were decisively defeated by the British in the Opium Wars and were forced to sign a treaty.
The same thing happened in India where several Indian rulers were forced by the British to sign a treaty.
The only difference is that China was unified and still lost to the British.
On the other hand India was divided into several kingdoms.

 

[t_co]

The Chinese were decisively defeated by the British in the Opium Wars and were forced to sign a treaty.
The same thing happened in India where several Indian rulers were forced by the British to sign a treaty.
The only difference is that China was unified and still lost to the British.
On the other hand India was divided into several kingdoms.

lol what? The difference is that China was never colonized by the British, while the Indians stripped and bent over for Mighty Whitey

 

[mikhail]

lol what? The difference is that China was never colonized by the British, while the Indians stripped and bent over for Mighty Whitey

mate the brits didn't want to colonize a country like china where most of the people were cannibals and there was no guarrantee that they wouldn't eat the brits when time comes!heck even now many of your countrymen eats dead human foetus,so you can easily imagine what was the condition of china a couple of hundred years ago!

 

[mikhail]

1 can you now see one vietmese go across the border to kill or behead chinese soldiers??

2 which source shows 'a single company of our soldiers i.e.120 soldiers of Kumayon Regiment did to your PLA at the battle of Razing La.your army lost more than 10,000 soldiers in that entire war '.....your BR source or your 'indians got best settallies in the world' source??? well those story links are for children under 5......

3 why chinese went back in 1962.....mission was that....to keep aksain chin and show the world we were not invaders.....just like in the mission where SEAL killed bin ladan????why they left??? mission accomplished.....you can say they ran if you like......with all the pows......

4 if you indians can fight like you claim how come 3000 pows surrderred to PLA in 1962??? if you can really fight.....how come 10 young men easily killed about 200 in bombay and your elite encounter specialist and special force performed the skills that can make you like a laughing stock???

mate even our soldiers captured around 2000 chini soldiers during '62 war!so it was not only you who had got the pows.secondly as i have stated earlier that PLA is nothing but a bunch of sissies who got their a** owned by a couple of thousands of our soldiers even though they were more than 100,000 and hence they fled like a bunch of rats fleeing at the sight of a cat!
now lets come to the vietnam war scenerio!you mighty PLA invaded them in '79 the same way you invaded us in'62!Vietnam at that time was busy busting the pol pot a**holes in Cambodia,so you took the chance and invaded Vietnam thinking that Vietnam wouldn't be able to fight two wars at the same time!but i guess you got it absolutely wrong!your "sissy army" got literally owned by the female volunteers of the VPA and as usual your army ran away from the battlefield and declared an unilateral ceasefire without even completing their primary objective which was to compel the VPA to withdraw from Cambodia!
now lets discuss about 26/11 incident!a group of hard core islamic jehadis from your "taller than the tallest mountain and deeper than the deepest ocean" friend pakistan entered Mumbai through the sea in small rubber dinghies and started firing indiscriminately at the innocent civilians and taking hostages at two five star hotels and a jewish residence!now those a**holes came here with only one objective which was to massacre the innocent people!our counter terrorist forces displayed enough maturity and valor and saved around 600 hostages from those bast*rds and ultimately killed them mercilessly in a planned operation!no other country's security force would have fared better in this situation(not even the U.S. SEALS)!
but i am quite sure that china would have killed those terrorists within a couple of hours just by deploying tanks and artillery and blowing up the places where the terrorists had taken hostages killing both the terrorists and the hostages in the process,but as yours is a commie country that news would have been cencored by the govt.!

 

[Ray]

All due respect to your prior experience in the Indian Army notwithstanding, you seem to approach many of the Chinese and Pakistani posters here with a default assumption that they are brainwashed or colored by censorship and hence their views are invalid. What's more, you (and some other DFI posters) sometimes use this as a substitute for reasoned, logical debate.

First off, if someone posts at DFI, chances are they already see enough "uncensored" points of view from this forum alone that the brainwashing argument doesn't hold water. Second, even if they were, the logical fallacy of ad hominem means that you can't just discount someone's views because of their personal characteristics.

Now that I've learned you served as a senior officer in the Indian Army, I know that you're capable of better logic than this. I'd be happy to join you in making these discussions a better place.

I do not take Pakistani to be brainwashed. You assume too much.

In so far as Mainland Chinese are concerned, it is not my view that they are Pavlovianly conditioned. Many articles and commentaries point to that fact. I don't think that you should fault be for accepting the international view.

For instance Nehru was an equally hallowed figure to Indians as Mao to Chinese.

Yet, we never hesitated to give our frank opinion of him and his governance then and even now.

In contrast check this very statement that Chinese state these days when you talk to them of Mao and that is Mao was 30% wrong and 70% right!

How is that such an exact figure is said by the Chinese? How is it that before Mao died none said this exact statistical figure?

It is because For years now, open discussion of the Mao era has been forbidden. Not long after Mao's death the party announced that he had been 70% right, 30% wrong.
BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China moves on from Mao

In short, the CCP decides and the Chinese parrot in a conditioned mindset like the Pavlovian experiment.

Therefore, the facts on the ground lead to conclusions, which to you appears incorrect and default assumptions.

Chinese posters are not always incorrect. For instance, you were not incorrect on the manner how to stop the self immolation by the Tibetans.

You gave the classical example of the mode how historically the Han have Sincised the other groups. And yet, you may not be aware, it has been denied vigorously by the other Chinese posters. Therefore, when the Chinese posters deny what is universally known, then others would surely doubt their credibility. Therefore, you must accept that the credibility deficit makes people concerned about the veracity of Chinese posters' claims.

Take the issue of Light tanks. It was hotly informed that the tanks being used in Tibet were Light Tanks. Anyone who knows anything about tanks would know that even if Light tanks are used, it would be for areas where there has to be relatively low ground pressure such as marshy ground and so on. Anyone who has any idea of Tibet, would know that the hard ground is ideal for MBTs wherever it is tank country.

And yet, it was the Mai Dasiya (I have Spoken! Period. I am a Chinese and so I know) attitude of not admitting reality.

You speak of logic?

Check the logic of your own kin!

What was my profession does not in anyway affect the discussion.

The discussions can be educative, if fiction is kept aside.

When fiction is brandished, then someone must correct the facts. I try to do that and you are taking umbrage for my trying to correct the incorrectness being flung around as the reality.

 

[Ray]

lol what? The difference is that China was never colonized by the British, while the Indians stripped and bent over for Mighty Whitey

Could it be because India was rich in money and resources that was required by the impoverished Mighty Whitey, as you so quaintly call them.

Maybe they thought China was not worth the hassle and many they believed that China was a barren land and a dusty hell hole!

Or maybe they were worried that they could find themselves on the dinner plate, given that the Chinese eat exotic stuff and are thrifty and never waste anything edible or not edible (to others).

If you give ridiculous logic that you feel others are incapable of except the logical Chinese, you will get it as you give!

However, the Mighty Whitey realised one thing China sorely required - Opium and they gave it by oodles!

Dopes satiated with Dope!

 

[Bhoja]

lol what? The difference is that China was never colonized by the British, while the Indians stripped and bent over for Mighty Whitey

 

[huaxia rox]

As I said, keep abreast with knowledge.

CIA did. RAW was not in existence in case you are meaning the deices placed on the Himalayas.

RAW did so did IB.....in case you ask for a link i would say this kind of knowledge is everywhere eg Book Extract - Spies in the Himalayas - Vayu Sena

Democracy manipulate the media?

Some may be manipulated by not all.

And it is quite unlike China where there is no media but merely fish opening and closing the mouth gasping for air!

democracy or colonization....chinese wouldnt say we got best settallites in the world.....and back to the word you said 'Remember how it was said that India was way behind sub Saharan Africa? It was proved wrong and it is on this forum too that the inputs for the statistics were flawed and manipulated!'.....how it was proved if you have to say you are right but brits are wrong with the evident evidence More of world's poor live in India than in all sub-Saharan Africa, says study | World news | The Guardian which i showed.....

Manipulated media to serve the purpose to quote you?

my purpose is having fun while seeking facts.....btw indians fundging GDP data has been expected....the salary of indian workforce is even lower than the vietnamese........indeed not new thing.....

What is your take?

simple.... the RSS leader is wrong....68% the figur is wrong in a funny way....you can say what ever you want but that doesnt mean you can cheat who ever out there.....

We don't.

We embrace our warts and all and not reinvent as the Chinese!

sure....unlike indians who have best settallites in the world.....

93% are Han!

dont know the exact figure.....something around that indeed.....your take is???so prc is a nation that has some majority which cant be more normal......at least not some 400 different areas different religions different castes different communities different roots who were ruled by some outsider to finally form or be forced to from one nation......

 

[huaxia rox]

come on man look at him,he surely would have been a POW during the WW-2 as the entire pla surrendered at that time to the mighty IJA en masse!n btw looking at the history of pla they have a habit of either surrendering en masse or running away with their tails between their legs from battlefields!

he does look like the ones who got some indian pows in 1962.......or may be those in korean war who kicked some british colonizers asses.......or those who accepted the official surrderment of the japanese in ww2.......

 

[huaxia rox]

mate even our soldiers captured around 2000 chini soldiers during '62 war!so it was not only you who had got the pows.secondly as i have stated earlier that PLA is nothing but a bunch of sissies who got their a** owned by a couple of thousands of our soldiers even though they were more than 100,000 and hence they fled like a bunch of rats fleeing at the sight of a cat!
now lets come to the vietnam war scenerio!you mighty PLA invaded them in '79 the same way you invaded us in'62!Vietnam at that time was busy busting the pol pot a**holes in Cambodia,so you took the chance and invaded Vietnam thinking that Vietnam wouldn't be able to fight two wars at the same time!but i guess you got it absolutely wrong!your "sissy army" got literally owned by the female volunteers of the VPA and as usual your army ran away from the battlefield and declared an unilateral ceasefire without even completing their primary objective which was to compel the VPA to withdraw from Cambodia!
now lets discuss about 26/11 incident!a group of hard core islamic jehadis from your "taller than the tallest mountain and deeper than the deepest ocean" friend pakistan entered Mumbai through the sea in small rubber dinghies and started firing indiscriminately at the innocent civilians and taking hostages at two five star hotels and a jewish residence!now those a**holes came here with only one objective which was to massacre the innocent people!our counter terrorist forces displayed enough maturity and valor and saved around 600 hostages from those bast*rds and ultimately killed them mercilessly in a planned operation!no other country's security force would have fared better in this situation(not even the U.S. SEALS)!
but i am quite sure that china would have killed those terrorists within a couple of hours just by deploying tanks and artillery and blowing up the places where the terrorists had taken hostages killing both the terrorists and the hostages in the process,but as yours is a commie country that news would have been cencored by the govt.!

1 any links or evidence to show how indians got 2000 pows in 1962 war....or killed 10000 PLAs in what ever the battle you like to called? except for those indian sources?

2 any links or evidence to show PLA was defeated in vietnam war???(except for those indian sources and vietnamese)

3 after the us was hit in 911 they occupied 2 countries to revenge......after india was hit in 2008 nothing has happened.......or i can say this this way.....who ever now wanna launch a military attack in beijing in our parliment that contry will surely cease to exist.....except for the US i have to assume who will get serious consequences to say the least.....the problem is who dare???

 

[huaxia rox]

Could it be because India was rich in money and resources that was required by the impoverished Mighty Whitey, as you so quaintly call them.

Maybe they thought China was not worth the hassle and many they believed that China was a barren land and a dusty hell hole!

Or maybe they were worried that they could find themselves on the dinner plate, given that the Chinese eat exotic stuff and are thrifty and never waste anything edible or not edible (to others).

If you give ridiculous logic that you feel others are incapable of except the logical Chinese, you will get it as you give!

However, the Mighty Whitey realised one thing China sorely required - Opium and they gave it by oodles!

Dopes satiated with Dope!

if your theory were right that whould mean you also wanna say brits granted you independency only because the british india areas had become a barren land and a dusty hell hole so they left...,....

btw....any real scholars share the same thoughts like indians???

 

[rock127]

1 can you now see one vietmese go across the border to kill or behead chinese soldiers??

2 which source shows 'a single company of our soldiers i.e.120 soldiers of Kumayon Regiment did to your PLA at the battle of Razing La.your army lost more than 10,000 soldiers in that entire war '.....your BR source or your 'indians got best settallies in the world' source??? well those story links are for children under 5......

3 why chinese went back in 1962.....mission was that....to keep aksain chin and show the world we were not invaders.....just like in the mission where SEAL killed bin ladan????why they left??? mission accomplished.....you can say they ran if you like......with all the pows......

4 if you indians can fight like you claim how come 3000 pows surrderred to PLA in 1962??? if you can really fight.....how come 10 young men easily killed about 200 in bombay and your elite encounter specialist and special force performed the skills that can make you like a laughing stock???

All those fully armed terrorists killed unarmed civilans and when challenged by Indian armed forces they hide in civilian areas like a mouse.India killed 9 outta 10 and recently hanged the last.But that is too hard to understand for a HIGH IQ Han Chinese showing a pic of a soldier.

I guess China became laughing stock when Japanese Army raped and plundered 300,000 Chinese in Nanjing.What have you done after that?? Japanese STILL laugh around at coward Chinese.So the pic you are using is as a award for this?

 

[huaxia rox]

The Chinese were decisively defeated by the British in the Opium Wars and were forced to sign a treaty.
The same thing happened in India where several Indian rulers were forced by the British to sign a treaty.
The only difference is that China was unified and still lost to the British.
On the other hand India was divided into several kingdoms.

the difference is there was an area called british india and no area called british china....

the best brits can get were some cities in the east and another probably 90% china proper was in full control by china.....and the case of british india is something you know better than me do........

 

[huaxia rox]

All those fully armed terrorists killed unarmed civilans and when challenged by Indian armed forces they hide in civilian areas like a mouse.India killed 9 outta 10 and recently hanged the last.But that is too hard to understand for a HIGH IQ Han Chinese showing a pic of a soldier.

I guess China became laughing stock when Japanese Army raped and plundered 300,000 Chinese in Nanjing.What have you done after that?? Japanese STILL laugh around at coward Chinese.So the pic you are using is as a award for this?

people resisted so we got causualty....people didnt resisit so the area becomes a colony........in an colonized area you got killings and raping every day.......just have a look at how indian culture is english fractured......you know what happened before 1947........

btw the difference is....japanese surrendered to china.....those japanese soliders comitted serious crimes and captured were excuted or sent to jails......but for the birts....they just left............

 

[Ray]

RAW did so did IB.....in case you ask for a link i would say this kind of knowledge is everywhere eg Book Extract - Spies in the Himalayas - Vayu Sena

I tried the url and this is what came:
Note the dates. September 1963.
It was basically CIA op and read the extract carefully.

democracy or colonization....chinese wouldnt say we got best settallites in the world.....and back to the word you said 'Remember how it was said that India was way behind sub Saharan Africa? It was proved wrong and it is on this forum too that the inputs for the statistics were flawed and manipulated!'.....how it was proved if you have to say you are right but brits are wrong with the evident evidence More of world's poor live in India than in all sub-Saharan Africa, says study | World news | The Guardian which i showed.....

Maybe this would help dispel you genetical faith in statistics and 'official reports'

Child Malnutrition in India: Myth and Reality

In recent years, one of the most significant critiques of India's economic growth model is that it has failed to encourage social development in its wake. Despite high levels of growth and economic reforms, domestic observers as well as international organizations such as the World Health Organization have criticized India's high rates of child malnutrition. Indeed, India has been compared unfavorably to most sub-Saharan African countries on this indicator, with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh calling the problem a "national shame."

Renowned economist Arvind Panagariya joined Carnegie's Milan Vaishnav for a conversation challenging the accuracy of this grim portrait of malnutrition in India. Drawing on research conducted for his new paper "The Myth of Child Malnutrition in India," Panagariya discussed whether India truly has a reason to be ashamed of its progress in this area.
 Dominant Narrative: Panagariya began by noting that widely accepted estimates put India's malnutrition rate at nearly 50 percent of children under age five.

 Need for Scrutiny: Panagariya presented evidence that, if the 50 percent figure were true, then India would be worse than every Sub-Saharan African country in malnutrition, but better off than nearly all of them in child mortality rates. For this reason, he suggested that the 50 percent number was highly counterintuitive and needed more careful scrutiny.

 Challenging Assumptions: In explaining the discrepancy, Panagariya pointed to the flawed method of measuring malnutrition, which is premised on the assumption that all height and weight differences between children of the same age are due to nutrition, despite scholarly evidence that genetic and geographical factors may also be at work. Were the numbers calculated according to a more appropriate standard, Panagariya claims, India would fare much better on the issue of malnutrition.

 Shifting Ground: Given the ongoing debate about the effectiveness of India's economic reforms, Panagariya argues that the "myth of malnutrition" is another instance of "shifting ground" underneath the reforms' opponents. He argued that the malnutrition figures are essentially the last truly feeble social development indicators left for those opponents to cite, and that if those turn out to be exaggerated then there will be little remaining reason to oppose economic reform on social welfare grounds.

 Child Malnutrition in India: Myth and Reality - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

my purpose is having fun while seeking facts.....btw indians fundging GDP data has been expected....the salary of indian workforce is even lower than the vietnamese........indeed not new thing.....

What has salaries to do with manipulated media? I seem to have lost you. I am speaking of media and you are as is typical of the Chinese dreaming in dollar and cents or whatever currency that you use!!

simple.... the RSS leader is wrong....68% the figur is wrong in a funny way....you can say what ever you want but that doesnt mean you can cheat who ever out there.....

The basic essence is 'conditional trade' is what the RSS leader has emphasised.

In short, a balanced approach and not totally a free for all, more so when China is not a very cosy country to equate with in other departments of statehood.

sure....unlike indians who have best settallites in the world.....

A rather infantile reply indicating a disconnect with intellect necessary to reply coherently.

I was mentioning that India is a democracy and we embrace it with warts and all!

dont know the exact figure.....something around that indeed.....your take is???so prc is a nation that has some majority which cant be more normal......at least not some 400 different areas different religions different castes different communities different roots who were ruled by some outsider to finally form or be forced to from one nation......

No it would be real surprising if a landmass of 9596960 sq km with a population of 1,330,045,000 will have 93% of the same ethnic stock! If one sees the migration patterns of the world races, the claim defies imagination. No other country can claim that they have the same ethnic stock or even 93%!! Russia, Canada and the US have larger land mass than China and they are multiracial and not having singularly high percentage of 93% of the same ethnic stock!

Yet, when one visits history, including Chinese history as even enunciated by the Grand Historian of China, Sima Qian, the manner in which Sinicisation or making all people captured to become Han is well documented.

We see that being done in Tibet and Xinjiang even now which t_co has the honesty to indicate, while you hide with inanities!

if your theory were right that whould mean you also wanna say brits granted you independency only because the british india areas had become a barren land and a dusty hell hole so they left...,....

btw....any real scholars share the same thoughts like indians???

Read history and you will realise why the British had no options but to give India her Independence.

 

[Ray]

the difference is there was an area called british india and no area called british china....

the best brits can get were some cities in the east and another probably 90% china proper was in full control by china.....and the case of british india is something you know better than me do........

I would be surprised that you are not aware of Chinese history or maybe you wish to wipe away reality and reinvent history as is the usual mode of China to appear squeaky pure!

Heard of a place called Hong Kong?

Isn't that a part of China?

It was not only prefixed with the word 'British' but it also suffered the ignominy of being called 'Crown Colony'!