Why China has so few friends?

[W.G.Ewald]

We all know what will come across the minds of people when they see the Chinese flag.

 

[Zebra]

friends？

how do you define "friends"ï¼Ÿ

Does India have any friends？Does India consider the US, for example, a friend？

If so, then China and the US enjoy a much closer relationship than India does the US, economically, politically and strategically.

Ditto China's relationship with the EU, Japan, the two Koreas, Brazil, South Afirca。。。etc

China and the US enjoy a much closer relationship .

Yes you are right , the best example is Okinawa .

So much close with each-other .

 

[Ray]

It is the fact that USSR were confronted with China in their southern boarder when there is a link established between China and USA.

Just to inform you since you were possibly not conversant with the facts:

1. USSR supported India against their fraternal border in 1962.

2. The Ussuri River border clash occurred between the USSR and China on 2 Mar 1969.

3. Kissinger's secret trip to China was in July 1971

Therefore, if you check the dates, you will realise that USSR, China's fraternal brother supported India well before the Border Clash and that the Border Clash took place before the link was established by the US with China.

The second question you raised up is about China's rise and its military build up. I presume that lead to the same problem as to our Indian friends, China has to secure its essential Fossil Oil and export transportation routines, which obviously crossed the Indian Ocean and the south China sea. Like what you said, do not intensifying and extending the pressure to your neighbors. I don't see any actions taken by Indian authorities have eased these tensions, such as deploying mountain infantry groups near the China-India border, high profile fighter jet purchasing plan and built large navy fleets are contrary to a peaceful India image. Through all these news and information, people who live around India will get frustrated by the movement of India Government.

It is China who started the military buildup which India took as an unfriendly and dangerous escalation. That apart, China unnecessarily built up tensions like the stapled visa, the question of Kashmir and then calling Arunachal Pradesh as South Tibet. Therefore, it is natural that India will look after its national interest and reciprocate.

I don't see any of our neighbours frustrated by India's legitimate right to defend its borders against Chinese aggressive posture.

In fact, I find all the SE Asian countries are supporting the Indian intent to explore for oil in the South China Sea.

And the third question, I think our Indian friend are getting over excited about the south China sea issue, well, I have heard too much story from you guys, which saying it is too far from China and therefore China has no right to claim them. Hey friends, did you ever studied about the issue, did you know that Chinese have occupied and set a flag there since 1960. I bet you don't know about it. Philippians did not claim the island after the WWII, it is only noted that during the 70s when the US discovered fossil oil over there, Philippians start to form an opinion against its original words. And what about India, all these Andaman Islands are thousands of miles away from India mainland, from an outsider I reckon it should belong to Burma. Well you may notice that I don't understand India's Background and History, and just bullsh*ting. We felt the same thing.

Planting flags surreptitiously does not legitimise a claim. India and New Zealand planted their flags on Mount Everest first. Does it make Mount Everest a part of India or New Zealand?

As far as Andaman Nicobar is concerned, Rajendra Chola I (1014 to 1042 CE), one of the Tamil Chola dynasty kings, occupied Andaman and Nicobar Islands as a part of his Empire. Therefore, outsider or insider, is it Myanmar's?

And Please, do not argue about the Chinese contribution in WWII. It is true that US had contributed loads of supply and pilots to Southern China During the WWII, they have been really generous and helpful during that time. But what you said is rubbish, without US China will become a part of Japan. You are neglecting the millions of soldiers and civilians who scarified their life to save you, how dare you say that. Without China's operation in Burma during 1942 Japan would have India in its hand. British were busy running around and fighting the Germans, India is simply not capable of fighting the Japanese Invasion forces. (I am using your way of description and you will learn how to put yourself into other person's shoe and learn how to respect.)

The fact that you are now back flipping that the US and UK were generous, was not the refrain earlier!

Without US' arms and ammunition and US General 'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell things would be surely in favour of the Japanese.

The details below should help you to understand the massive aid given by the US to China that may have been convenient forgotten when compiling the history by the CCP.

The Air Transport Command flew nearly 18,000 tons over the Hump from February through October 1944 and President Roosevelt approved $25 million in military aid to China on 19 December 1940, permitting the Chinese to purchase one hundred P 40 pursuit aircraft. By late spring 1941, the United States had also earmarked over $145 million in lend-lease funds for China to acquire both ground and air equipment. In May 1941, Secretary of War Henry Stimson approved a Chinese request for sufficient equipment to outfit thirty infantry divisions, intended for delivery by mid- 1942. Prompted by his private adviser, Claire L. Chennault, a retired U.S. Army Air Corps officer, Chiang also obtained Roosevelt's support for an American Volunteer Group (AVG) of about one hundred U.S. civilian volunteers to fly the one hundred recently purchased P-40s. These "Flying Tigers" began arriving in Burma in late 1941, the first Americans actually to be fighting alongside the Chinese.

The fact that Stilwell had to complain to Marshall and Roosevelt that as many as 500,000 Nationalist soldiers were preoccupied with blockading the Communists rather than fighting the Japanese is an indicator where, but for the US assistance, the Japanese could have made capital of the rift within the Chinese political camps to their advantage and extend the Japanese Empire!

USSR helped us all the way? where did you learn this, immediately after Stalin's death. Russian experts have been pulled out of China, many projects have to terminate as a consequence of this. Yes, USSR helped up to build some of our early industrial facilities. But we have rewarded them since 1959. What about India, after USSR's collapse, when the rupee exchange system fails, India stop paying its debt and pretend as if India has cleared it debts with USSR. I assume that is the reason for the expensive Russian armory prices, nothing is free guys.

Rather convoluted rigamarole.

Soon after the establishment of the People's Republic, Mao traveled to Moscow to negotiate the 1950 Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance, and Mutual Assistance. Under this agreement, China gave the Soviet Union certain rights, such as the continued use of a naval base at Luda, Liaoning Province, in return for military support, weapons, and large amounts of economic and technological assistance, including technical advisers and machinery.

China's participation in the Korean War (1950-53) seemed to strengthen Sino-Soviet relations, especially after the UN-sponsored trade embargo against China. The Sino-Soviet alliance appeared to unite Moscow and Beijing, and China became more closely associated with and dependent on a foreign power than ever before.

Since the end of the Cold War, China and Russia have renewed and further developed a bilateral military trade relationship. Russia has provided parts, materials, and technologies pertaining to missiles, nuclear weapons, and anti-missile systems.

China's most extensive missile and missile technology import relationship has been with Russia. In July of 1992, China began to actively seek weapon and technology-related assistance from Russia after former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev visited Beijing in 1989 normalizing Sino-Russian relations. According to a US official referring to China in 1992, "They're looking at MIG-31s and a whole set of new weapons and technology of mass destruction." [Jim Mann, "China Seeks Russian Weapons," Los Angeles Times, 12 July 1992.]

Moscow is suspected to have proceeded to export rocket engines, missile-guidance technology and other advanced weapons and technology to China. Russia did not deny the sale of S-300 SAMs, but vigorously denied the other allegations, saying that it had never sold missiles or missile technology to China. This vigorous response was prompted by the fact that Russia takes part in the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), which prohibits the transfer of technology or materials that can be used to develop medium- to long- range missiles. Russia's transfer of missiles or missile technology to China would warrant sanctions from the US, so Russia denied the allegations. In addition to technology and material transfers, China was known in late 1992 to have recruited Russian technicians to work in Chinese defense plants in order to further advance its weapons systems. Many of these experts were reportedly working in Chinese missile plants to improve the accuracy of Chinese missiles. Finally, according to a senior US official, China has been trying to import Russia's high-technology base in order to be able to produce guidance systems, anti-submarine missiles, and cruise missiles. [Jim Mann, "Russia Boosting China's Arsenal," Los Angeles Times, 30 November 1992.]


In November 1993, China and Russia signed a five-year military cooperation agreement for exchange in experts and other personnel. US intelligence sources continued to be concerned that Russian missile scientists were assisting China, and that Russia was providing important missile technology and equipment, including solid rocket fuel, cruise missile engines, and technical assistance for improving missile launch from submerged submarines. In 1995, reports stated that Russia had also exported stealth technology to both China and North Korea, enabling them to develop cruise missiles with smaller radar cross-sections. In addition, it was reported in January 1996 that China had reached an agreement to purchase two Sovremenny-class guided missile destroyers from Russia, equipped with SS-N-22 "Sunburn" anti-ship cruise missiles. In May 2000, the first group of the anti-ship missiles for the destroyers were shipped to China, and China expressed interest in ordering several more destroyers. Following this transfer, the "Russian Anti-Ship Missile Non-Proliferation Act of 2000" was introduced in the United States in an attempt to stop Russian transfers of SS-N-22 missile to China since the U.S. Navy "has scant ability to defend against this 200 kiloton nuclear-capable weapon," according to U.S. Representative Dana Rohrabacher. ["First lot of Moskit missiles shipped to China," ITAR-TASS News Agency, 16 May 2000. "Rohrabacher Introduces Legislation To Stop Transfer Of Missiles From Russia To China,"www.house.gov/rohrabacher/NR20000321.html, 21 March, 2000.]

Reports also indicate that China expressed interest in purchasing submarine-launched cruise missiles, and possibly also SS-18 ICBM technology. The United States reacted particularly strongly to the latter reports, stating that transfers of SS-18 technology would violate both the START Treaty and the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), and would greatly improve China's ability to threaten the United States. Reports stated that, although China's interest in the SS-18 was ostensibly for space launch purposes, US intelligence officials believed it was directly related to China's strategic nuclear force modernization, particularly since many doubt that SS-18 technology is applicable for civilian space launch. In October 1999, a report was released that said that China had recently requested that Russia transfer more high-technology fiber optic gyroscopes. These items are necessary components for China's short-, medium-, and long-range missiles. In addition, it was announced in July 2000 that "Russia and China could be close to signing documents on cooperation in the use and advancement of Russia's global navigational system Glonass by late October, early November [2000] when Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov plans to visit Beijing." This system aids China in monitoring and targeting missiles and rockets. [Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough, "China Connection," The Washington Times, 19 November 1999. "Russia, China to Cooperate on Global Navigation System," FBIS CEP20000722000102 Interfax, 22 July 2000. John Pomfret, "Russians Help China Modernize Its Arsenal," Washington Post, 10 February 2000.]

Russia's Nuclear Assistance

Since resuming their relationship after the Cold War, Russia has helped China advance its nuclear program. Assistance in nuclear power plant projects characterized the nuclear relationship between the two states. The technology that was transferred for those projects, however, could have been adapted to advance China's nuclear weapons program. According to a senior Bush official in 1992, "Moscow is selling technology to the Chinese that can be used to enrich uranium. Washington is concerned that Beijing will use the technology to improve the design of its nuclear power plants, making them more attractive to third-world buyers and further undermining efforts to stop the spread of nuclear arms." As of February 1999, the Russians were assisting China in the technical design, construction, and operation of thirteen different nuclear facilities in China. In June 2000, Russia agreed to help China build a fast-breeder reactor and discussed the construction of two uranium enrichment plants in China. However, Russia has showed restraint in some exports. In May of 2001, Moscow denied permission to Minatom to export a Purex plutonium separation line citing proliferation concerns. Some Western officials downplayed the significance of this, citing that previously exported turnkey centrifuge uranium enrichments plants were more proliferation-sensitive. [Michael R. Gordon, "Moscow is Selling Weapons to China, U.S. Officials Say," The New York Times, 17 October 1992. "Russia To Help China Build Fast-Breeder Nuclear Reactor," Agence France Presse, 1 June 2000. "Russia Rejects Export to China of Reprocessing Equipment," Nuclear Fuel, 28 May 2001.]

Aside from nuclear power technology, in June 1996, a newspaper in Japan reported that Russia had sold China "computer simulation technology on nuclear warheads" in order to develop multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRVs) for China's nuclear missiles. Russia, however, denied this. In addition, in October 1999, a Chinese military expert announced that the Russians were assisting China in developing a new type of nuclear-powered submarine that would use a new type of nuclear reactor and be capable of strategic nuclear strikes.

Russia's Missile Defense Assistance

With the recent threats of a US missile defense system, China has sought ways to develop its own system or an Asian system with the help of Russia. According to a Russian government source, if the US decides to deploy its national missile defense system, then Russia would assist China in creating one of its own. Russian assistance to China would automatically exclude both countries from further participation in the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty which prohibits the transfer of antiballistic systems. According to a 1992 New York Times article, though, "Moscow has sold S-300 surface-to-air missiles to China, [American] officials say. The S-300 is a patriot-like system designed to shoot down planes and missiles." In addition, in 1994, Russia sold China six more S-300 air defense systems with around 100 missiles. ["Russia Mulls Aid for China's Missile Defense to Counter U.S.," Japan Economic Newswire, 27 February 2000. Michael R. Gordon, "Moscow is Selling Weapons to China, U.S. Officials Say," The New York Times, 17 October 1992.]

Albania, Vietnam, Egypt. Do I have to quote the hundreds of free supports in here.

Good imagination! I am tempted to use LOL, but then I am not a Chinese and they seem to have applied for its patent!

 

[Ray]

I think you are seriously mistaken friendship as between people and alliances between countries. If you dont know the differeanse, I suggest you start ask around abit before you post those kind questions. Oh btw China got lots of friends. It is just you who are ignorant. If we only count those surrounding China: Pakistan, Thailand, Russia,Kazakhstan, Bhutan, Malaysia, Indonesia and Burma until recently. And China is not Vietnams No. 1 enemy. China has disputes with Vietnam. It dosnt make them enemies. There are also lots of friendly countries around the world too if you bother to do your research.
And one more thing, if you trully know the meaning of "friendship", then you should know that it is not how many friends you got that is important, but what they will do for you. Sadly, your post just showed that you dont have a clue. Guess your "friends" didnt tell you that, did they?

I am afraid by naming countries as 'friends' does not mean they are friends.

The only real friend is Pakistan, but they have also exasperated China, where China could not help by express frustration by declaring that Pakistan is helping Muslim Uighurs to separate from China!

Myanmar was another good friend of China. But check the latest development and you will realise that they too have seen the light!

Thailand is wanting to have the technology for high speed railway and beyond that they have an alliance with the US and not with China. That is not being in alliance. right?

Compare this with the US.

This may help understanding:

A Renewed U.S.-Thai Alliance for the 21st Century
A Renewed U.S.-Thai Alliance for the 21st Century

Heard of COBRA Gold?

Russia,Kazakhstan, Bhutan, Malaysia, Indonesia?

As the saying goes there is no eternal friendship between nations, there is only the ever-present interest. China has therefore no fewer friends than India has and probably no more enemies than the latter has, too. On paper, China has diplomatic relationships with virtually all countries on earth with the exception of the 20 or so mostly tiny countries that recognize taiwan. There is US, there is Pakistan, there is Vietnam, and there is India. And abroad, chinese are no less welcome than indians are too. In fact, all around the world, at hotels, shops catering foreigners, you will often see chinese flag flying along side japanese and american ones, yet you rarely ever see indian flag. But i'm not saying they hater indians more, its just chinese visitors usually carry deeper pockets and therefore bring a lot more revenue. Ultimately in this world, its the moeny that counts.

India has no friends in the manner one is trying to make it out. It has, however, good relationship with many countries.

India would like to believe that she has no enemies, but then the geopolitical and geo-strategic realities do throw up the rare adversary!

It is true that there may be less number of Indian flags flying in foreign countries than China, but then the day we start exporting cheap goods, they may start fluttering, but that is not the way India would like to publicise that she has arrived on the world map!

However, if I may add with all respect there are many Indian Restaurant all over the world and more are coming up daily in the unexpected places too! There are equal number of Chinese restaurants too and of that there is no doubt. However, there is one difference. The Indian restaurants are not only being run by Indians, but also by Pakistanis and Bangladeshis! Therefore, the brand image of India sells wherein foreigners to earn money use it to fake their enterprises as Indian! I don't think the same could be said for the Chinese restaurants!

Russia ought to be a true friend of India, right? Yet they don't waste any opportunity ripping you off. America shares a lot of values with India, what gifts has America ever given to india, besides the occasional rhetorics? Then everyone here claims that Vietnam is a great ally of India, then how come China-Vietnam trade dwarfs India-Vietnam trade last year?

USSR was a friend of India and of that there is no doubt.

Russia is ripping off not only India, but anyone who trades with them including China. It is the fallout of globalisation. China is also doing the same. They are even selling fake as they have done with pharmaceutical products and passed them off as 'Made in India'!

US has given no gifts to India. The reason is simple - We have the money to pay for everything that we want, even if the prices are extortionist. We can afford to be financially magnanimous!

Vietnam has signed no treaty with us and so they cannot be termed as allies. It is just that their strategic interest coincides with India, apart from coinciding with many others like the US, Philippines, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei and even Singapore!

Our trade will pick up with Vietnam once we strengthen our Look East policy. Not to worry, it is not too far!

When an european spots an Indian in the streets of Europe, make a guess which of the following things that most likely will come across his mind: friends, skin color, turban, muslim, terrorist or what a great democracy that is india? I don't know but I'm pretty sure its is not the last one.

And when they observe a Chinese guess what physical features they find a wee bit extraordinary from the rest of the world. And since you raise the issue of colour, the Chinese do look anaemic colour-wise!

Indians are not looked at as terrorists, but as victims of terrorism!

All Indians are not Muslims and so that is where you are way off. Europeans are not that dumb. They know that the majority of Indians are Hindus.

And as far as India being a democracy, the world knows that. Sad you did not know. Ignorance?

Everybody does not have the privilege and honour of wearing a turban and is a sign of honour which the Europeans understand. I do understand your animus since the differentiation that the Manchus gave you all you seem to have lost and so you are griping over trifles!

When someone complains about not having enough friends, it is a sign of loneliness I guess.

Talking about friendship in international politics is like talking about love when you are f**king a whore.

By the way, I never care about how you think about me, and no reason to start now.

I wonder if it is loneliness that Kickof is possessed of.

It is sadness I would think that such a great civilisation has been reduced to such a sorry state where friends are as difficult to find as a needle in a haystack.

ok, who is indian's friend? ur neighbors? Russia? US? LOL

Guess?

You really are a wee bit slow!

Except in your LOL. A person who has nothing but LOL is hardly a person who has knowledge to debate or else he would have much to say!

 

[pankaj nema]

The ANTICS that China has displayed in the last TWO years has turned entire CIVILISED ASIA against China

Japan India Philipines Vietnam and South korea all are now viewing CHINA as a MORTAL enemy

UNCIVILISED Asia ie Pakistan Iran and North Korea are their friends in Asia

If China would have treated its Asian neighbours with Friendship and respect then TODAY
USA and China would have been COMPETING for Friends

Now Asia has chosen USA for support and friendship which will Further anger China

If China wants super power status then it CANNOT get that status by BULLYING around

 

[ice berg]

I am afraid by naming countries as 'friends' does not mean they are friends.

The only real friend is Pakistan, but they have also exasperated China, where China could not help by express frustration by declaring that Pakistan is helping Muslim Uighurs to separate from China!

Myanmar was another good friend of China. But check the latest development and you will realise that they too have seen the light!

Thailand is wanting to have the technology for high speed railway and beyond that they have an alliance with the US and not with China. That is not being in alliance. right?

Compare this with the US.

This may help understanding:

A Renewed U.S.-Thai Alliance for the 21st Century
A Renewed U.S.-Thai Alliance for the 21st Century

Heard of COBRA Gold?

Russia,Kazakhstan, Bhutan, Malaysia, Indonesia?

I agree that naming countries "friends" does not make them friends in the real sense. I was merelly answering the thread starter.

However you are contradicting your self. First you say that naming them "friends" dont make them one. Then you mentioned Pakistan. Either you do have friends among other countries or you do not. Pick you bet.
And China claims Pakistan is helping Muslim Uighurs to separate from China?
And Myanmar have seen the light? You are a naiv chap, aint you? Just because they moved abit away from a dependence on China, dosnt make them "seen the light". If the term "friend" is foolish, then your term is equally so.
China is Thailands strongest ally in Asia after United States. If you dont even know that, then I suggest you start reading.
And one more thing, maybe it is hard for you to understand, but you can actually be "friend" with both countries. One does not rule out the other. Seriously, you are old enough to know better.

 

[Ray]

I agree that naming countries "friends" does not make them friends in the real sense. I was merelly answering the thread starter.

However you are contradicting your self. First you say that naming them "friends" dont make them one. Then you mentioned Pakistan. Either you do have friends among other countries or you do not. Pick you bet.
And China claims Pakistan is helping Muslim Uighurs to separate from China?
And Myanmar have seen the light? You are a naiv chap, aint you? Just because they moved abit away from a dependence on China, dosnt make them "seen the light". If the term "friend" is foolish, then your term is equally so.
China is Thailands strongest ally in Asia after United States. If you dont even know that, then I suggest you start reading.
And one more thing, maybe it is hard for you to understand, but you can actually be "friend" with both countries. One does not rule out the other. Seriously, you are old enough to know better.

I am not contradicting myself.

I was only wanting to make you comfortable since we don't want to lose your educated insight from China that is indeed quite enlightening!

China for good geopolitical and geostrategic reason has cultivated Pakistan as a friend and indeed they are friends.

However, the support indirectly to the Uighur separatist because they are Muslim was the proverbial straw that broke China's back. So, they are friend still but a bit more wary than before. And anyway friendship is always subjective.

Yes, I am naive (your spelling is wrong and it did confuse me!). But I am not that naive as to not know what's up! A country that slept and woke at the diktat of China is now shedding its nightmare. Should indicate something, no?

Thailand is the strongest ally after the US you say. Are they your ally? Or merely an active trading partner? Any alliance that you could tell us? Dreaming is good and I agree on that!

Seriously because I am older, I have seen all the chicanery of the world that you have not seen and so I am not that easily fooled!

 

[p2prada]

Yes, I am naive (your spelling is wrong and it did confuse me!). But I am not that naive as to not know what's up! A country that slept and woke at the diktat of China is now shedding its nightmare. Should indicate something, no?

I haven't read the thread, so I don't know what's happening. But it is funny how some people can be so thick as to call an ex-Brigadier with actual combat experience naive especially when it comes to war and geopolitics revolving around a potential adversary.

Next we will have someone saying your rank is a made up thing in forums. Heck, I am a Lt. Colonel.

 

[SHASH2K2]

why call chinese when so many Indians dont have manner to behave . I have seen many Indian members calling him ray or brigadier . Just because he was showing the mirror they start showing their real face . NO one forces anyone to agree and we are all here to disagree but respect must be paid where it should be.

 

[p2prada]

At some points of time we had conquered and ruled Indonesia, parts of Afghanistan, Myanmar, Thailand, Singapore apart from other South Asian countries. Does that give us legitimate right over all these countries if you look at Chinese logic?

 

[p2prada]

Disrespecting mil pros on forums actually get the boot after one warning, most of the time people get the boot without a warning. Heck I got kicked out of one such forum for simply disagreeing with a mil pro.

We are a military forum, not ken and barbie .com.

 

[ice berg]

I am not contradicting myself.

I was only wanting to make you comfortable since we don't want to lose your educated insight from China that is indeed quite enlightening!

China for good geopolitical and geostrategic reason has cultivated Pakistan as a friend and indeed they are friends.

Agree so far.

However, the support indirectly to the Uighur separatist because they are Muslim was the proverbial straw that broke China's back. So, they are friend still but a bit more wary than before. And anyway friendship is always subjective.

Depends on what you mean by support indirectly. And who exactly? The ISI, the government. Please be more specific.

Yes, I am naive (your spelling is wrong and it did confuse me!). But I am not that naive as to not know what's up! A country that slept and woke at the diktat of China is now shedding its nightmare. Should indicate something, no?

Sorry for the typo. Funny you should say that. The future of that country always lies in their own hands. The junta has ruled the country with an iron fist. Dont blame China for their own plight.

Thailand is the strongest ally after the US you say. Are they your ally? Or merely an active trading partner? Any alliance that you could tell us? Dreaming is good and I agree on that!

Sigh, again I suggest you do a bit more reading here. I am sure an educated man like your self surely can do that much. Even a mere google can show you some results here. Let me however speed you on your way. An hint: Vietnam.

Seriously because I am older, I have seen all the chicanery of the world that you have not seen and so I am not that easily fooled!

No disrespect to your age. However there is no correlation between wisdom and age. And there is a differene between scepticisme and being cynical. And to certain other members here. I am by no means downplaying our dear ex-Brigadiers military knowledge. I am only question the merit of his opinions on geopolitics. After all, the knowledge of geopolitics are certainly not reserved to military personnel, right?

 

[leon2007]

i am confident China will have as many friends as it wishes once it dominates the world.
at lease China has never been rip off by its friends. on the other hand, india is pathetic, it has to import all the advanced weapons from it so called friends and got rip off all the times. that is an international joke

 

[A.V.]

Why cant the debate be honourable and simplified , my chinese net friends if you are provoked so easily and resort to name calling then i am sorry you will be paid back in same coin.

Dear indian members please dont degrade each and every thread on china to this vs that and communism vs human rights and so on

Debate can go on without name calling and resorting to cheap shot one liners

Hence forth i will delete any posts which have nothing to enlight our readers on the given topic .

I am not taking part on debate on this thread but following this any more name calling will result in infarctions , and bans so go on be civil and keep the debate civilized and on topic.

 

[A.V.]

i am confident China will have as many friends as it wishes once it dominates the world.
at lease China has never been rip off by its friends. on the other hand, india is pathetic, it has to import all the advanced weapons from it so called friends and got rip off all the times. that is an international joke

The topic has got nothing to do with India so please keep india out of your flame baits , the debate is " WHY china has so less friends? " and not the other way round so just debate if you can on China having less friends, nowhere the thread topic has the word INDIA in it

 

[asianobserve]

i am confident China will have as many friends as it wishes once it dominates the world.
at lease China has never been rip off by its friends. on the other hand, india is pathetic, it has to import all the advanced weapons from it so called friends and got rip off all the times. that is an international joke

No doubt China is having friends around the World! NK, Iran, Myanmar, Sudan... Oh, the rest of the World is rushing to be inducted in that list!

 

[nimo_cn]

I wonder if it is loneliness that Kickof is possessed of.

It is sadness I would think that such a great civilisation has been reduced to such a sorry state where friends are as difficult to find as a needle in a haystack.

Of course I was joking about the loneliness. My point is that it is meaningless to bring in friendship when you are talking about international politics because there is anything in international politics but friendship.

I feel sad for kickok that he still can't understand it.

Sorry state? Well sorry state would be those which are depending on others. For a country who dertermines to be on there own, being alienated, in my opinion isn't a bad thing at all. Especially after we sort out the real reason why China is not popular, no Chinese should feel sorry for our country like Kickok.

Why does India hate China ?

1> India has been grabing land from China, so she fears China will get back to her and take back what belongs to us in the future.
2> India has ambition over South Asian countries, and a strong China is busting her dream of annexing them.
3> India envies what China has accomplished, especially in the aspect of economy, they can't accept the fact a communismm China is doing much better than a democratic India.

So, if we want India to adore China, we need to
1>surrender South Tibet or even the whole Tibet to India
2>Let India dominate South Asia and bully countries in that region at her will
3>stop growing so that India can keep up with China

Conclusion, do I feel sad that India hates China? Not at all.

Same logic can be applied to other cases.
Want to be friend with Vietnam? Give up South China Sea first.
Want to be friend with America? Be ready to be her cheap sweatshop forever.
....

Why should I feel sorry that China has so few friends?

And Indians who like bragging about your good relation with America, you must forget how they treated you in 1971. I remember there is a thread named " how US cornered India in 1971", friendship Indeed.

Russia, who sells weapon to China for decades and are still doing it as of now, truely is a friend of India.

 

[Bangalorean]

Of course I was joking about the loneliness. My point is that it is meaningless to bring in friendship when you are talking about international politics because there is anything in international politics but friendship.

I feel sad for kickok that he still can't understand it.

Sorry state? Well sorry state would be those which are depending on others. For a country who dertermines to be on there own, being alienated, in my opinion isn't a bad thing at all. Especially after we sort out the real reason why China is not popular, no Chinese should feel sorry for our country like Kickok.

Why does India hate China ?

1> India has been grabing land from China, so she fears China will get back to her and take back what belongs to us in the future.
2> India has ambition over South Asian countries, and a strong China is busting her dream of annexing them.
3> India envies what China has accomplished, especially in the aspect of economy, they can't accept the fact a communismm China is doing much better than a democratic India.

So, if we want India to adore China, we need to
1>surrender South Tibet or even the whole Tibet to India
2>Let India dominate South Asia and bully countries in that region at her will
3>stop growing so that India can keep up with China

Conclusion, do I feel sad that India hates China? Not at all.

Same logic can be applied to other cases.
Want to be friend with Vietnam? Give up South China Sea first.
Want to be friend with America? Be ready to be her cheap sweatshop forever.
....

Why should I feel sorry that China has so few friends?

And Indians who like bragging about your good relation with America, you must forget how they treated you in 1971. I remember there is a thread named " how US cornered India in 1971", friendship Indeed.

Russia, who sells weapon to China for decades and are still doing it as of now, truely is a friend of India.

Very silly arguments.

Firstly, I don't see any Indians "bragging" about relations with America. If you have been on this forum long enough, you should know that. And what's that about 1971? Do you know something about what the situations were at that time, and how it is different today, or do you simply type for the sake of it? Looks like the latter.

India 'annexing' "South Asian" countries? Listen, India would have done it long back to Nepal and Bhutan if that was the case. And we would have absorbed Bangladesh in 1971 instead of declaring them independent. Use some common sense please. Get out of the CPC propaganda machine. And what's that about China not allowing India? Buddy, China is nothing. Can do absolutely nothing. We took Sikkim, we split up your taller-deeper friend into two, and what could you do? You simply talk, and have an over-inflated view of your own abilities.


And I see that Chinese on the internet have a swelled head about their "growth". You need periodic reminders that your economy was liberalized 13 years before India's. You have a head start of 13 years, so there is nothing surprising in China's being around a decade ahead. Chinese seem to think that they are some chosen people who are greater in some way than the Indians. It is just about timing and head start, nothing more, nothing less. Understand that, and understand it well.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

No doubt China is having friends around the World! NK, Iran, Myanmar, Sudan... Oh, the rest of the World is rushing to be inducted in that list!

Hillary is in Myanmar presently. Things may change.

 

[Nice guy 2011]

Magic 13 years again?LOL
BTW, what r u doing at that time? LOL

Very silly arguments.

Firstly, I don't see any Indians "bragging" about relations with America. If you have been on this forum long enough, you should know that. And what's that about 1971? Do you know something about what the situations were at that time, and how it is different today, or do you simply type for the sake of it? Looks like the latter.

India 'annexing' "South Asian" countries? Listen, India would have done it long back to Nepal and Bhutan if that was the case. And we would have absorbed Bangladesh in 1971 instead of declaring them independent. Use some common sense please. Get out of the CPC propaganda machine. And what's that about China not allowing India? Buddy, China is nothing. Can do absolutely nothing. We took Sikkim, we split up your taller-deeper friend into two, and what could you do? You simply talk, and have an over-inflated view of your own abilities.


And I see that Chinese on the internet have a swelled head about their "growth". You need periodic reminders that your economy was liberalized 13 years before India's. You have a head start of 13 years, so there is nothing surprising in China's being around a decade ahead. Chinese seem to think that they are some chosen people who are greater in some way than the Indians. It is just about timing and head start, nothing more, nothing less. Understand that, and understand it well.