Why A War Between China And Vietnam Is Inevitable

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I am astonished that there would be people who love Pol Pot.

But then maybe there is some commonality given the chequered history after 1949!
 

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Lets see the friends china have atpresent Pakistan - model country of world :lol: Iran -the country hated by most of muslin world :confused: and china believe the Russian are in their side ,well they are with china to make sure it doesnt grow .Inside they would be hating china as much as others .So who are china's friends. China should really think about this thing before they get themselves involved in misadventures with India,ASEAN ,JAPAN,SOUTH KOREA,AUSSIE ,USA,FRANCE,U.K. etc .Sorry forgot your other best friend North Korea :rofl:
 

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I am astonished that there would be people who love Pol Pot.

But then maybe there is some commonality given the chequered history after 1949!
Since your guys don't like the govt of pakistan, Indian has the right to eliminate it? And we don't like your govt, we have the right to eliminate yours?
 

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Since your guys don't like the govt of pakistan, Indian has the right to eliminate it? And we don't like your govt, we have the right to eliminate yours?
Vietnam's invasion of cambodia was not because they detest polpot's genocidal regime (though they might have really detested it). They did it because Cambodia was shoving them and came to a point where they massacred the population on a Vietnamese island phu quoc. That doesn't not work in anyway like your argument
 

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Then it was a war between Vietnam and Cambodia and someone lost, as simple as that?
But what did Vietnam do after the collapse of Polpot govt?
They rebuilt a puppet and a bunch of troops left there without any hints to retreat, exactly the same thing what the US did/is doing.
Do these actions, which can be easily defined as conquering, should be appreciate by common international rules?
The US did this without anyone's reaction is just because no one can stop them.
Vietnam did this then it crossed the bottom line of China and no surprise to bring them a war with us.
By the way, did the unharmful Lao do any bad to Vietnam?
They were also gifted a puppet govt., which has even survived until nowdays.
 

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Then it was a war between Vietnam and Cambodia and someone lost, as simple as that?
But what did Vietnam do after the collapse of Polpot govt?
They rebuilt a puppet and a bunch of troops left there without any hints to retreat, exactly the same thing what the US did/is doing.
Do these actions, which can be easily defined as conquering, should be appreciate by common international rules?
The US did this without anyone's reaction is just because no one can stop them.
Vietnam did this then it crossed the bottom line of China and no surprise to bring them a war with us.
By the way, did the unharmful Lao do any bad to Vietnam?
They were also gifted a puppet govt., which has even survived until nowdays.
The conflict in Laos was more of a civil war and was largely a part of the cold war then. As we all know the SEA countries involved in the cold war were all used as puppets. The fate of Cambodia after their submission to Vietnam was a consequence of their defeat in war that they started. Do you expect Vietnam to just withdraw immediately after defeating Cambodia and let it recover and start another genocide? Responsible invasion is like taming a wild animal. It will be exhausted and battered after a fight so you have to nurse it back health, tame it and release it back to the wild. If Vietnam had plans of conquering vCambodia then Cambodia would have been a mere province of Vietnam right now.

By BTW, what line did the Vietnamese cross against the Chinese back then? They only defended themselves from a dear Chinese ally who was hell bent on reaping havock in the region at that time.
 
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"The last time the Chinese came, they stayed a thousand years. The French are foreigners. They are weak. Colonialism is dying. The white man is finished in Asia. But if the Chinese stay now, they will never go. As for me, I prefer to sniff French shit for five years than to eat Chinese shit for the rest of my life." — Hồ Chí Minh, 1946[33]
 

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thosand is a very long time .............u will not stay even 50 years ha ha ......:taunt1:
 

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Lets see the friends china have atpresent Pakistan - model country of world :lol: Iran -the country hated by most of muslin world :confused: and china believe the Russian are in their side ,well they are with china to make sure it doesnt grow .Inside they would be hating china as much as others .So who are china's friends. China should really think about this thing before they get themselves involved in misadventures with India,ASEAN ,JAPAN,SOUTH KOREA,AUSSIE ,USA,FRANCE,U.K. etc .Sorry forgot your other best friend North Korea :rofl:
It seems that you misunderstand the relationships between France and China. In the real world, France and China are not rivals aginst each other. Both as 2 of the 5 permanent members in UNSC, we have many common interests all over the world. In brief, each side need the counterpart to maintain its influence in the world. This world until now is still a one-polar structure set by US, arguably with their cousin UK. And as a typical old Europe Strongpower, no wonder France is trying to keep their right place in Europe and the world by maintaining an individual policy since De Gaule.Of course, French and Chinese have huge differences in ideology but their govt. are more of realism. And the diplomatic policy of France is the most flexible one in Western world. They have fairly good relationships with almost all of the important countries, even with Russia.

In China's viewpoint, France is one of the most remarkable source of technologies in civll aspects, just following the US and Japan. (A little strange, isn't it) and can be identified as the second remakable source in military aspects, just following Russia. Secret cooperations on military between the two countries are happening all the time, some covered by names of civil projects, some in the form of technology transfer. We used to directly buy products from France before sanctions, but even at that time, unlike wealthier Indians, we prefer subsystems rather than the whole weapon platforms.

If you read history with no bias, you will find out that, why the french shows kindness to China and India is similar to why they did the same things to US just after US's independence. Showing some kindness to emergency rising powers or powers with great potential, is much wiser than blocking their way. None will sustain its highlights forever, when you are in trouble you need helps from others to avoid the worst case. Countries who acts in extreme manners and cut all the backways off will suffer themselves in the end, just looking at Nazi & Japan in WW2. If someone out of China thinks China govt. is such a stupid to push all their rivals into death field and become a common enemy of the world, he/she is downplaying the wisdom of a civilization who survives long long history. China becomes hardcore in postures since the power grows, doesn't mean it's to conquer and destroy.
 

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"The last time the Chinese came, they stayed a thousand years. The French are foreigners. They are weak. Colonialism is dying. The white man is finished in Asia. But if the Chinese stay now, they will never go. As for me, I prefer to sniff French shit for five years than to eat Chinese shit for the rest of my life." — Hồ Chí Minh, 1946[33]
This kind of passions on independence of Nation are well acknowledged. It's not wrong for Vietnam to maintain its independence of race. But it's totally unwise to maintain it in a fierce way. China is huge to its neighbours, thus it's unscientific to say their neighbours won't be influenced by it at all. The influence of China is always there, but what the leader group of Vietnam did after HCM's death? They were comrades and brothers the day before, though had some conflicts in mind, then suddenly turned to be Chinese hatred and start to purify themselves by kicking out any members preferring China. This also happened in North Korea after Korean War, the King family grabed the absolute power in regime by clearing all the members from different source, some of them were heroes in Korean War. Though CCP felt very uncomfortable towards King, they endured it. This means that sudden change of direction in leader group of nearby Communist countries alone is to some extent endurable, and CCP won't react too much and too obviously.

And it was even worse that they started to drive out Chinese immigrants who might lived for centuries in Vietnam. What the bullsh!t of this is nearly can be called as Racist Clearance. The same thing to an even worse extent happened in Indonesia in 90s. This kind of things have already passed the bottom line of China. If someone was lucky not to be punished right after such situations, the only reason is that the lack of China's capabilities.

HCM, as a nationalist, is a mature politian at the same time. A mature politian is one who knows where to grab and where to compromise. Nowadays, there are too many political figures all around the world, who are only good at show and winning elections. To US citizens, Mr. Clinton is a much better politian than Mr. Bush & Mr. Obama.
 
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This kind of passions on independence of Nation are well acknowledged. It's not wrong for Vietnam to maintain its independence of race. But it's totally unwise to maintain it in a fierce way. China is huge to its neighbours, thus it's unscientific to say their neighbours won't be influenced by it at all. The influence of China is always there, but what the leader group of Vietnam did after HCM's death? They were comrades and brothers the day before, though had some conflicts in mind, then suddenly turned to be Chinese hatred and start to purify themselves by kicking out any members preferring China. This also happened in North Korea after Korean War, the King family grabed the absolute power in regime by clearing all the members from different source, some of them were heroes in Korean War. Though CCP felt very uncomfortable towards King, they endured it. This means that sudden change of direction in leader group of nearby Communist countries alone is to some extent endurable, and CCP won't react too much and too obviously.
And it was even worse that they started to drive out Chinese immigrants who might lived for centuries in Vietnam. What the bullsh!t of this is nearly can be called as Racist Clearance. The same thing to an even worse extent happened in Indonesia in 90s. This kind of things have already passed the bottom line of China. If someone was lucky not to be punished right after such situations, the only reason is that the lack of China's capabilities.
Anybody should be free to choose who his friends are going to be. Same with nations. You cannot force anybody to be friends with you if they hate everything about you. Vietnam never attacked China.

The situation you are describing, isn't it the same thing which china did to Taiwan.
 

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As I know, thats just before the last war between Vietnam and China, VN get support from USSR, cause war need money to run right? And now who support VN anyway? Its not about economy or something, just back there in VN civil war, North get support from communism force (China, USSR,...) South from capitalism force (USA, and its allies), so I agree that a war between Vietnam and China is inevitable cause of China violence, but it may be not now, cause of money :lol:, but by any chance that you guys heard news that VN's goverment began to send back Chinese-Vietnamese like what they did in 1979, the war you guys wanted will be begin soon, and thing is more and more complicated nowaday, so I dont think its good for any country begin the war first
@GromHellscream: They have their reason friend, VN and China are close in map and maybe share some of tradition, so many of Chinese come here to live and be a part of our country (very many) but when war happen, how you make sure that they dont turn their back to us and work for China as spy, many sad story happen to Chinese-Vietnamese here in 1979, and we knew it, but it cant be help, a hundred thousand Chinese-Vietnamese sent back to China and some stuck in the border, and still there are many sad stories till there like
A Chinese-Vietnamese is work for VN communist party, he dont ever know that he is half Chinese, his mother is poor that time, and must marry a old rich Chinese lived in VN, his father died while he have not born yet, and in 1979, he was ask to come back to China, he cry to his friend that work for goverment that he dont want to leave and dont even know Chinese, or any relatives there, but they force him go anyway, being cornered, he went home and killed 2 of his childrent, use hammer to kill his wife - a vietnamese elementary teacher, and suicide, his friend come and speechless to what he see in front of his eyes, but cant do anything.
A lot of famous people, who help to built North VN in war time with US also was sent back China to, and goverment dont ever consider what they did or how good and loyal they are for their second homeland, just due to a part of their blood is Chinese,...
There are more stories but to translate it take so much time, but look back at the thing happen right now, we see more and more suspicous to your guys, a chinese 6-star flag show up on our national TV channel, is you country want us force to harm you people here to take chance to invade? Yeah about what happen in Indonesian, they killed directly not request or force to send back like us, and China have no comment or mind about that, just Taiwan, and other countries cared... Problem here is not us, but more likely your country
And about how we change to hate your country, let me mind you about bad relationship of China-USSR that force us to side with USSR, how US bombard Hanoi in 1972 and China ignore to take Hoang Sa, how China intend to force North VN just keep the war but dont want to united 2 side, and be a park or home dog like what happen in North Korea nowaday, thing is not "suddenly change" but it all have it own reason and way to understand, just dont imply us like mad and stupid people @Oblaks: Sorry I dont see the like button but +1 :thumb:
 
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