Why 1962 will not be repeated

[Ray]

Haplogroup O1 (Y-DNA)

In human genetics, Haplogroup O1 (MSY2.2) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. Haplogroup O1 is a descendent branch of the greater Haplogroup O.

The great majority of Y-chromosomes within Haplogroup O1 belong to its subgroup O1a (M119).

Origins

The Haplogroup O1 branch is believed to have evolved during the Late Pleistocene (Upper Paleolithic) in Southeast Asia. The genetic marker, Haplogroup O1a-M119 is found frequently among Austronesian peoples, Kradai peoples, and various other ethnic minorities in China. This lineage is presumed to be a marker of the prehistoric Austronesian expansion, with possible origins encompassing the regions along the southeastern coast of China and neighboring Taiwan, and is found among modern populations of Maritime Southeast Asia and Oceania.[2]

A 2009 study by Karafet et al. at the University of Arizona suggests haplogroup O1 was part of a four-phase colonization model in which Paleolithic migrations of hunter-gatherers shaped the primary structure of current Y chromosome diversity of Maritime Southeast Asia. Neolithic incursions made only a minor impact on the paternal gene pool, despite the large cultural impact of the Austronesian expansion. Approximately 5000 BCE, Haplogroup O1 coalesced at Sundaland and migrated northwards to as far as Taiwan, where O1a2 constitutes some 90% of the Aboriginal Y-DNA, being the main haplogroup that can be directly linked to the Austronesian expansion in phase 3.[12]

Li et al. at the Yale University Department of Genetics, School of Medicine, concluded that in contrast to the Taiwan homeland hypothesis, Island Southeast Asians do not have a Taiwan origin based on their paternal lineages. According to their results, lineages within Maritime Southeast Asia did not originate from Taiwanese aborigines as linguistic studies suggest. Taiwan aborigines and Indonesians were likely to have been derived from the Daic populations based on their paternal lineages, and therefore evolved independently of each other.[13]

The strongest positive correlation between Haplogroup O1 and ethnolinguistic affiliation is that which is observed between this haplogroup and the Austronesians. The peak frequency of Haplogroup O1 is found among the aborigines of Taiwan, precisely the region from which linguists have hypothesized that the Austronesian language family originated. A slightly weaker correlation is observed between Haplogroup O1 and the Han Chinese populations of southern China, as well as between this haplogroup and the Kradai-speaking populations of southern China and Southeast Asia. The distribution of Daic languages in Thailand and other parts of Southeast Asia outside of China has long been believed, for reasons of traditional linguistic geography, to reflect a recent invasion of Southeast Asia by Daic-speaking populations originating from southeastern China, and the somewhat elevated frequency of Haplogroup O1 among the Daic populations, coupled with a high frequency of Haplogroup O2a, which is a genetic characteristic of the Austro-Asiatic peoples of Southeast Asia, suggests that the genetic signature of the Daic peoples' affinity with populations of southeastern China has been weakened due to extensive assimilation of the earlier Austro-Asiatic residents of the lands which the Daic peoples invaded. Also, it has been noted that Haplogroup O1 lineages among populations of continental Southeast Asia outside of China display a reduced level of diversity when compared with populations of South China and insular Southeast Asia, which may be evidence of a bottleneck associated with the westward migration and settlement of ancestral Daic-speaking populations in Indochina.

Distribution

Haplogroup O1 lineages are found primarily in Southeast Asian populations of Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, southern China and Taiwan.[14]

Haplogroup O1a-M119 Y-chromosomes also have been found to occur at low frequency among various populations of Siberia, such as the Nivkhs (one of 17 sampled Y-chromosomes), Ulchi/Nanai (2/53), Yenisey Evenks (1/31), and especially the Buryats living in the Sayan-Baikal uplands of Irkutsk Oblast (6/13).[15]

Frequencies

A 2008 study by Li et al. at Yale University Department of Genetics, School of Medicine, demonstrated that the admixture analyses of Daic populations showed a significant genetic influence over a large proportion of Indonesians. Most of the population samples contained a high frequency of haplogroup O1a-M119.[16]

The frequencies of Haplogroup O1 among various East Asian and Austronesian populations suggest a complex genetic history of the modern Han populations of southern China. Although Haplogroup O1 occurs only at an average frequency of approximately 4% among Han populations of northern China and peoples of southwestern China and Southeast Asia who speak Tibeto-Burman languages, the frequency of this haplogroup among the Han populations of southern China nearly quadruples to about 15%. The frequency of Haplogroup O1 among the Southern Han has been found to be slightly greater than the arithmetic mean of the frequencies of Haplogroup O1 among the Northern Han and a pooled sample of Austronesian populations. This suggests that modern Southern Han populations may possess a non-trivial number of male ancestors who were originally affiliated with some Austronesian-related culture, or who at least shared a genetic affinity with many of the ancestors of modern Austronesian peoples.

Subgroups

The subclades of Haplogroup O1 with their defining mutation(s), according to the 2010 ISOGG tree:

O1 (MSY2.2)
O1*
O1a (M119) Found frequently in Austronesians, southern Han Chinese, and Tai peoples
O1a*
O1a1 (M307.2/P203.2)
O1a1*
O1a1a (M101) Observed in one individual from China[1] and another from Kota Kinabalu[5]
O1a2 (M50, M103, M110) Occurs among Austronesian peoples of Taiwan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Melanesia, Micronesia, and Madagascar as well as among some populations of continental Southeast Asia

References

^ a b Underhill, PA; Shen, P; Lin, AA; Jin, L; Passarino, G; Yang, WH; Kauffman, E; Bonné-Tamir, B et al. (2000). "Y chromosome sequence variation and the history of human populations.". Nature genetics 26 (3): 358–61. doi:10.1038/81685. PMID 11062480.
^ a b c d Karafet, TM; Lansing, JS; Redd, AJ; Reznikova, S; Watkins, JC; Surata, SP; Arthawiguna, WA; Mayer, L et al. (2005). "Balinese Y-Chromosome Perspective on the Peopling of Indonesia: Genetic Contributions from Pre-Neolithic Hunter-Gatherers, Austronesian Farmers, and Indian Traders". Human Biology 77 (1): 93–114. doi:10.1353/hub.2005.0030. PMID 16114819.
^ a b MacAulay, Vincent; Li, Dongna; Li, Hui; Ou, Caiying; Lu, Yan; Sun, Yuantian; Yang, Bo; Qin, Zhendong et al. (2008). "Paternal Genetic Structure of Hainan Aborigines Isolated at the Entrance to East Asia". PLoS ONE 3: e2168. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0002168. PMC 2374892. PMID 18478090.
^ a b Tajima, Atsushi; Hayami, Masanori; Tokunaga, Katsushi; Juji, T; Matsuo, M; Marzuki, S; Omoto, K; Horai, S (2004). "Genetic origins of the Ainu inferred from combined DNA analyses of maternal and paternal lineages". Journal of Human Genetics 49 (4): 187–193. doi:10.1007/s10038-004-0131-x. PMID 14997363.
^ a b c d Hurles, Matthew E.; Sykes, Bryan C.; Jobling, Mark A.; Forster, Peter (2005). "The Dual Origin of the Malagasy in Island Southeast Asia and East Africa: Evidence from Maternal and Paternal Lineages". American Journal of Human Genetics 76 (5): 894–901. doi:10.1086/430051. PMC 1199379. PMID 15793703.
^ a b c d e Kayser, Manfred; Brauer, Silke; Weiss, Gunter; Schiefenhövel, W; Underhill, P; Shen, P; Oefner, P; Tommaseo-Ponzetta, M et al. (2003). "Reduced Y-Chromosome, but Not Mitochondrial DNA, Diversity in Human Populations from West New Guinea". American Journal of Human Genetics 72 (2): 281–302. doi:10.1086/346065. PMC 379223. PMID 12532283.
^ Kayser, M.; Choi, Y.; Van Oven, M.; Mona, S.; Brauer, S.; Trent, R. J.; Suarkia, D.; Schiefenhovel, W. et al. (2008). "The Impact of the Austronesian Expansion: Evidence from mtDNA and Y Chromosome Diversity in the Admiralty Islands of Melanesia". Molecular Biology and Evolution 25 (7): 1362–74. doi:10.1093/molbev/msn078. PMID 18390477.
^ a b Xie, XH; Li, H; Mao, XY; Wen, B; Gao, S; Jin, JZ; Lu, DR; Jin, L (2004). "Genetic structure of Tujia as revealed by Y chromosomes". Acta Genetica Sinica 31 (10): 1023–1029. PMID 15552034.
^ Chen, J; Li, H; Qin, ZD; Liu, WH; Lin, WX; Yin, RX; Jin, L; Pan, SL (2006). "Y-chromosome genotyping and genetic structure of Zhuang populations.". Yi chuan xue bao = Acta genetica Sinica 33 (12): 1060–72. doi:10.1016/S0379-4172(06)60143-1. PMID 17185165.
^ Hammer, Michael F.; Karafet, Tatiana M.; Park, Hwayong; Omoto, Keiichi; Harihara, Shinji; Stoneking, Mark; Horai, Satoshi (2005). "Dual origins of the Japanese: common ground for hunter-gatherer and farmer Y chromosomes". Journal of Human Genetics 51 (1): 47–58. doi:10.1007/s10038-005-0322-0. PMID 16328082.
^ a b Su, B; Xiao, J; Underhill, P; Deka, R; Zhang, W; Akey, J; Huang, W; Shen, D et al. (1999). "Y-Chromosome evidence for a northward migration of modern humans into Eastern Asia during the last Ice Age.". American Journal of Human Genetics 65 (6): 1718–1724. doi:10.1086/302680. PMC 1288383. PMID 10577926.
^ Karafet, T. M.; Hallmark, B.; Cox, M. P.; Sudoyo, H.; Downey, S.; Lansing, J. S.; Hammer, M. F. (2010). "Major East-West Division Underlies Y Chromosome Stratification across Indonesia". Molecular Biology and Evolution 27 (8): 1833–44. doi:10.1093/molbev/msq063. PMID 20207712.
^ Li, Hui; Wen, Bo; Chen, Shu-Juo; Su, Bing; Pramoonjago, Patcharin; Liu, Yangfan; Pan, Shangling; Qin, Zhendong et al. (2008). "Paternal genetic affinity between western Austronesians and Daic populations". BMC Evolutionary Biology 8: 146. doi:10.1186/1471-2148-8-146. PMC 2408594. PMID 18482451.
^ "Y-DNA Haplogroup O and its Subclades. 2010". International Society of Genetic Genealogy. Retrieved 2010.
^ Lell, Jeffrey T.; Sukernik, Rem I.; Starikovskaya, Yelena B.; Su, Bing; Jin, Li; Schurr, Theodore G.; Underhill, Peter A.; Wallace, Douglas C. (2002). "The Dual Origin and Siberian Affinities of Native American Y Chromosomes". American Journal of Human Genetics 70 (1): 192–206. doi:10.1086/338457. PMC 384887. PMID 11731934.
^ Li, Hui; Wen, Bo; Chen, Shu-Juo; Su, Bing; Pramoonjago, Patcharin; Liu, Yangfan; Pan, Shangling; Qin, Zhendong et al. (2008). "Paternal genetic affinity between western Austronesians and Daic populations". BMC Evolutionary Biology 8: 146. doi:10.1186/1471-2148-8-146. PMC 2408594. PMID 18482451.

Li, H; Huang, Y; Mustavich, LF; Zhang, F; Tan, JZ; Wang, LE; Qian, J; Gao, MH et al. (2007). "Y chromosomes of prehistoric people along the Yangtze River.". Human genetics 122 (3-4): 383–8. doi:10.1007/s00439-007-0407-2. PMID 17657509.
Li, Hui; Wen, Bo; Chen, Shu-Juo; Su, Bing; Pramoonjago, Patcharin; Liu, Yangfan; Pan, Shangling; Qin, Zhendong et al. (2008). "Paternal genetic affinity between western Austronesians and Daic populations". BMC Evol Biol 8: 146. doi:10.1186/1471-2148-8-146. PMC 2408594. PMID 18482451.

[See also

Austro-Tai languages
Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups

Haplogroup O1 (Y-DNA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ray]

Now, my good friend, go and prove it wrong and show how pure you are like driven snow!

 

[Ray]

60-Year Sadness of Chinese Comfort Women


Editor's Notes: The "September18" National Humiliation Day is approaching again. The aggression and disaster of those years have moved farther and farther away and the blood color is fading gradually. However, only when a nation bears those years firmly in mind, only when it refuses to tamper with and forget history and only when it dares to face up to the suffering and filth it had experienced, can it stand up on the new stage, and avoid history to repeat itself.

It is precisely because of this that old people bring up past humiliation again. Recent news reports say that the new editions of Japanese textbooks either make no mention of or only lightly touch the Nanjing massacre and comfort women. If the bloody history is forgotten even by our posterity, then, it is not impossible that the tragedy would be re-staged.

The Comfort Women system carried out by the Japanese army during the Second World War was the ugliest, filthiest, darkest sexual slave system in human history of the 20th century. Enslaved by this system, about 200,000 Chinese women suffered devastation, but only about 200 of them can be checked against historical records. Many of those old people, for various reasons, are still trembling in the twilight of history.

At the time when the wheel of the times has "rumbled" into the 21st century, some Japanese Right-wingers are still trying to cover up their atrocities, such as the "Comfort Women" system and the Nanjing Massacre, committed during Japan's invasion of China, and to revive their old dream of "Great Japan Empire", striking an inharmonious note in the times of peace.

This December, a group of Chinese women ravaged by the Japanese troops will file a suit to the court of Tokyo to claim compensation.

Eighty-three-year-old Meizhi was once a comfort woman. She was taken away from home on Chongming Islet of Shanghai by Japanese army one day in April 1938 when she was 21.

Meizhi was taken to a "Comfort Station" to serve as a sex slave, henceforth starting her life of a hell on earth.

Early this year, Meizhi raged again when she saw on TV Japanese Right-wingers assembled in Osaka, openly denying the Nanjing Massacre atrocities. Recommended by another old man living in the same village, Meizhi attended the "International Academic Seminar on China Comfort Women" held late last March and denounced the atrocities of Japanese army with her experience of blood and tears. In order to participate in the Tokyo Women's International Court of War Criminal, the stepson of Meizhi, Wang Anzhang, with the help of staff of the legislation service office of the township and Professor Su Zhiliang of the China "Comfort Women" Research Center, has finished the plaint and is still gathering materials at present.

The 83-year-old Meizhi said: "Why don't they admit what they have done indeed?" "I must win this lawsuit. As long as justice can't be upheld, I won't cease the lawsuit," said she with tears covering faces already.

Zhou Mei, living in the same town with Meizhi, was also a comfort woman once and suffered from mental and physical pain too in those days. The 91 years old women, thought living a forlorn life now, still keeps a clear memory of the shocking and horrible experience happening more than 60 years ago.

Zhou Xie, son of Zhou Mei, witnessed all those when he was only five years old. The seed of hatred has long been rooted in his heart. Later on he took part in the war to resist US aggression and aid Korea, becoming an excellent pilot. He also has written the plaint and prepared for the opening of the Tokyo court this December.



60-Year Sadness of Chinese Comfort Women

This is from your very own = the mouthpiece of CHINA!!

Now, go fool those who do not know what China was or China is!!

 

[Ray]

no smoking


I hope you are satisfied.

Now, go smoke an opium pipe!

And drown your sorrows.

 

[Ray]

Han Chauvinism

Author: Hu Ping, editor of Beijing Spring

Link to original essay: 谈谈大汉族主义（胡平）

A lot of Han Chinese friends of mine say: How can there be Han chauvinism in China? China only has reverse discrimination. The government has implemented quite a few policies favoring ethnic minorities, e.g. extra points on college entrance exams, reserving local government positions etc. This is all disguised discrimination of the Han; especially in criminal cases, where ethnic minorities less often are arrested, executed and in general get handled leniently, which surely gives the Han a feeling of being treated unfair. Needless to say, the dissatisfaction is justifiable and quite understandable. Even so we have to keep in mind that this so-called big-nationality chauvinism is a typical example of forced assimilation of ethnic minorities. On the basis of this criterion we have to acknowledge that China actually has Han chauvinism.

As everyone knows, in China, regional national autonomy is nothing but an empty title. The CCP continue to carry out compulsory Han assimilation policies, policies which have been further intensified in recent years. In Xinjiang, almost all the leading positions with real power (meaning Party power) are in the hands of the Han. Previously there was a Mr. Sai Fuding who served as CP committee secretary, but after him there has never again been an Uyghur serving as first in command in the autonomous region. In the course of 60 years of CCP rule, CCP has trained numerous of Uyghur cadres, how can it be that they are unable to find a single one capable of serving as CP committee secretary. This indicates that the concerned authorities still are anxious about "If they're not cut from the same cloth, their mindset must be different". How can the Uyghurs just let this go? Since Wang Lequan assumed office they have strengthened restrictions on Uyghur culture and religion, demolishing the old town of Kashgar and other traditional buildings of great historic significance, stipulating for the use of Mandarin Chinese instead of Uyghur language in primary schools, and banning or restricting government personnel right to believe in Islam, including not being allowed to grow a beard, wear a turban or fasting and praying at work. Uyghurs celebrating their own traditional holidays are also being restricted, and son and so forth. This cannot but cause Uyghurs with national consciousness and distinctive ethnic features a strong feeling of being discriminated and repressed. In fact, the policies of the authorities towards Uyghurs are: crack down more often than you relax restrictions. The authorities use a high pressure approach and do not tolerate that ethnic minorities have any kind of emotions. If at a meeting an ethnic minority cadre as much as tries to raise a complaint, he is not going to get promoted, maybe even expelled. To ethnic minorities, if this is not Han chauvinism, then what is?

Let's take the language issue as an example. That the function of language in everyday life is significant, goes without saying. The so-called Chinese language, as a matter of fact, refers to Han Chinese language. Of course, the Han Chinese make up for more than 90% of China's population, so making Han Chinese language the official language is reasonable. But this also leads to disadvantages for other languages, thereby creating unfavourable conditions for ethnic minorities who have other mother tongues. A speaker of Han Chinese language can travel throughout China without any inconvenience (except for only a handful of remote and underdeveloped areas), yet a speaker of Uyghur language or Tibetan will face difficulties as soon as he leaves his hometown. Actually, if Uyghurs go to inland China without being able to speak Han Chinese language they will be very unpopular. Uyghurs perfectly understand this, and will by no means complain. But the problem today is that because of large numbers of Han Chinese people immigrating to Xinjiang, holding dominant positions in an absolute majority of all fields, it has come to such an extent that even in their own hometowns, the Uyghurs are likely to get turned down when applying for jobs if they do not speak Han Chinese language, and even if they do speak it, there may still not be working opportunities for them, because a lot recruitment ads require people to be Han Chinese. From a Uyghur's point of view, is this not indeed Han chauvinism?

On the web there is circulating an essay called "I'll tell you about the real Urumqi" by an author which calls himself "Second generation army". This essay discusses a very interesting phenomenon: In Xinjiang, on Han Chinese holidays, the Uyghurs also get off work. On Uyghur holidays, the Han Chinese go to work as normal. It looks as if the Han Chinese are treated unfair, "but if you think carefully, you'll discover an unexpected secret. Because of this illustration"¦ In Xinjiang, everything can be done without any concern for Uyghur participation or normal regulations." Thus it can be seen that in their own hometowns Uyghurs are already left behind. A lot of Uyghurs already feel that they have become minorities in their own hometowns; they are marginalized culturally, and are an economically underprivileged group. They feel as if their own home is on the brink of being lost. What's even worse is that Uyghurs have no channels of communications as to express their dissatisfaction and suffering. If they turn to the authorities, the authorities will often just ignore them, if they publish something online the authorities will simply just charge them with "violation of national unity, and an attempt to split the nation" and take them into custody.

Here, most average Han Chinese are not getting any special treatment, but Uyghurs on the other hand cannot but feel their interests are being violated. A lot of Uyghurs are not jut dissatisfied with the authorities, but also with Han Chinese people. Ethnic relations have become very tense. What really has created this situation is the authorities not paying attention to the needs of the ethnic minorities and carrying out policies of mandatory Sinicism. On the other hand this tells us that we can not solve these problem until we have implemented real minority autonomy.

Faces of China: Han Chauvinism

This is how non Hans, known as 'barbarians' were forced to become Hans and also they were raped, which possibly is not reported by the Han Govt now!

Those who are not not of yellow river the real Han land are but products of this type of debauchery and bogotry! And out of shame and humiliation realised that it was better to become a Han!

So, 95% of Han claims to be Hans!

Something quite ridiculous if one goes through history and considers the huge land mass called China!!

 

[Ray]

Smoke away NO SMOKING!!

 

[DMF]

Smoke away NO SMOKING!!

You do not understand China, but pretend you know, what's benefit of all the mass of the gene data? China was formed 3500years ago, have one emperor but with kingdoms, but the kings mostly were the offspring of the emperor, but since the beginning of the recorded China's history, the nomadic tribes were existed in the northern grass land, south Yangzi river, the Yue (Viet) people were living there also.
Since Qin dynasty the kingdoms were united to be one country, then come the Han dynasty, the northern horsemen call China people "Han", but in ancient China, people believed that all the land is the emperor's land, all the people lived on the land are citizens of the empire, this the idea of "grand unite", people only divided by "Hua" and "yi", "Hua" was the civilized people, "yi" was the barbarian, if a barbarian accept the civilized culture, then he come "Hua", Confucian said "有教无类"ï¼Œmeans "only culture tell the difference, no matter where he come from". At the old times all the countries around China are inferior then the Chinese civilization, that's the reason that only have "Hua" and "Yi" in old China. Chinese civilization is a continuous civilization the people are the people constantly live in this land. But also there are mergings and immigrations,
The border line between countries, and different ethnics groups are all new concept from the west, the problem is that the communist China was established with the help of Soviet Union, also copied the of nationality system of this failed Soviet, now China have 56 ethnic groups. Han people are the people live in China, have the same culture background, use the same language, have the same appearance, the population more than 13 billion can not have an identical gene. So your date meaningless. Do you Indians have an identical gene? You are the museum of men kind, all shapes and all colores, and many languages, many religions, four castes of people also, if not for the master of British, there will be no united India
As for the Japanese invasion, the Japs said that they want to establish a common wealth, countries help each other went to prosper, but then Japan is dominate power, a sub culture want to be the leader, China certainly not agree, but in future, Japan's dream will come true, but Japan must understand the order of the nature, a sub culture only should be dominated, then the system will goes.

 

[Ray]

You do not understand China, but pretend you know, what's benefit of all the mass of the gene data? China was formed 3500years ago, have one emperor but with kingdoms, but the kings mostly were the offspring of the emperor, but since the beginning of the recorded China's history, the nomadic tribes were existed in the northern grass land, south Yangzi river, the Yue (Viet) people were living there also.
Since Qin dynasty the kingdoms were united to be one country, then come the Han dynasty, the northern horsemen call China people "Han", but in ancient China, people believed that all the land is the emperor's land, all the people lived on the land are citizens of the empire, this the idea of "grand unite", people only divided by "Hua" and "yi", "Hua" was the civilized people, "yi" was the barbarian, if a barbarian accept the civilized culture, then he come "Hua", Confucian said "有教无类"ï¼Œmeans "only culture tell the difference, no matter where he come from". At the old times all the countries around China are inferior then the Chinese civilization, that's the reason that only have "Hua" and "Yi" in old China. Chinese civilization is a continuous civilization the people are the people constantly live in this land. But also there are mergings and immigrations,
The border line between countries, and different ethnics groups are all new concept from the west, the problem is that the communist China was established with the help of Soviet Union, also copied the of nationality system of this failed Soviet, now China have 56 ethnic groups. Han people are the people live in China, have the same culture background, use the same language, have the same appearance, the population more than 13 billion can not have an identical gene. So your date meaningless. Do you Indians have an identical gene? You are the museum of men kind, all shapes and all colores, and many languages, many religions, four castes of people also, if not for the master of British, there will be no united India
As for the Japanese invasion, the Japs said that they want to establish a common wealth, countries help each other went to prosper, but then Japan is dominate power, a sub culture want to be the leader, China certainly not agree, but in future, Japan's dream will come true, but Japan must understand the order of the nature, a sub culture only should be dominated, then the system will goes.

So, I take it that even Science is not good enough for China!

Genes establish the origins of people.

The gene analysis of China by the experts (as quoted) does disproves the contention put out by China that China was throughout a Han country.

Though I understand that you only want to propagate the new theory of Zhonghua minzu.

Indians are not of one genetic strain. Have you not seen the thread that is ongpoing on the subject? And we don't claim to be so either. We are a multi ethnic, multi religious, multi cultural, multi lingual country and we are proud of that. We do not 'contrive' history to show were are of the same homogeneity!

Take it easy,he is just a mad man now.LOL

Personal attacks are the last resort of imbecilic nitwits and so coming from you I am not surprised.

It is time you learn that if you are to respond, do it with facts or else find another place to rave, rant and froth!

 

[no smoking]

Now, my good friend, go and prove it wrong and show how pure you are like driven snow!

For any race or country which has been survived on this planet, it is quite certain that it conquered and be conquered many times in history. There is nothing wrong that you can find various source of DNA in general chinese blood. There is nothing wrong that this race or country has ever surrendered to its invader. The difference between china and india is that chinese fight to death while indian feels no shame about it and doing nothing about it.

Mongolian ruler had to retreat after nearly 100 years of struggling initiated by Han.
Yes, Manchu emperor was rulling the whole china for 270 years, the han chinese fighting never stopped for a single day. the emperor not only lost his crown, but the whole once rulling class lost their language.
The recently one - Japan. After 8 years of war, after sacrificing 20millions lives, china was still there.
After 3 thousands years war with other races, today, chinese culture is still there.

What about india? How many lives did india sacrifice for its reputation? How does india treat its previous masters language?

I really don't think indians are qualified to comment chinese performance after being raped.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

no smoking


I hope you are satisfied.

Now, go smoke an opium pipe!

And drown your sorrows.

That must be the ultimate insult to a Chinese.

They still show operas in China today about the Opium Wars, I believe.

 

[niceguy2011]

That must be the ultimate insult to a Chinese.

They still show operas in China today about the Opium Wars, I believe.

U need to know Ray, he need time to learn how to respond .LOL

 

[Param]

U need to know Ray, he need time to learn how to respond .LOL

I've wanted to ask you for some time now, were you born with an LOL?

 

[rock127]

when will u have the strength, after lesson or 30,50 years? LOL

India showed you .1% of its strength in 1967 and 1987 where it killed 12 of your soldiers. You may not know it because Chinese govt may have deleted that small shameful part from its history where you were forced to back off and were made to accept Arunachal Pradesh as integeral part of India.How come China didn't esclate the skirmish to another war???

Come out of your 1962 hangoverand face the reality.... it's 2011 and India has enough strength to deter any of your misadventure.

Please go and educate yourself instead of boasting.
Chola incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1987 Sino-Indian skirmish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ray]

The manner in which China has reacted to the peaceful manner in which India is assisting Vietnam to improve Vietnam's economy and the peaceful way how India is looking after it security interest, is adequate to indicate that it is all hot air when some Chinese people wonder how long India will take.

 

[Ray]

I've wanted to ask you for some time now, were you born with an LOL?

His LOLing is possibly why some are taking him to be a Standing Joke around here or maybe a Stand Up comedian!

He is already on notice to contribute substantially or go to some comic forum.

And I mean business.

Let there be no doubt about that!

 

[Bhadra]

For any race or country which has been survived on this planet, it is quite certain that it conquered and be conquered many times in history. There is nothing wrong that you can find various source of DNA in general chinese blood. There is nothing wrong that this race or country has ever surrendered to its invader. The difference between china and india is that chinese fight to death while indian feels no shame about it and doing nothing about it.

Mongolian ruler had to retreat after nearly 100 years of struggling initiated by Han.
Yes, Manchu emperor was rulling the whole china for 270 years, the han chinese fighting never stopped for a single day. the emperor not only lost his crown, but the whole once rulling class lost their language.
The recently one - Japan. After 8 years of war, after sacrificing 20millions lives, china was still there.
After 3 thousands years war with other races, today, chinese culture is still there.

What about india? How many lives did india sacrifice for its reputation? How does india treat its previous masters language?

I really don't think indians are qualified to comment chinese performance after being raped.

You are absolutely unaware of Indian history and past. Indian races and culture faced thousands of onslaughts and waves of attacks in the known history commencing 6000 BC. We know our masters languages at various levels. We survived millions of attacks. No one who attacked Indian subcontinent ever survived here in their originality. Only the Europeans who did not surrender to Indian identity had to run away. All other attacking races are here in India but as Indians.

Know something more about India or read some Chinese masters who wrote about India rather than restricting your self to Communist pamphlets.

 

[Daniel Tam]

You are absolutely unaware of Indian history and past. Indian races and culture faced thousands of onslaughts and waves of attacks in the known history commencing 6000 BC. We know our masters languages at various levels. We survived millions of attacks. No one who attacked Indian subcontinent ever survived here in their originality. Only the Europeans who did not surrender to Indian identity had to run away. All other attacking races are here in India but as Indians.

Know something more about India or read some Chinese masters who wrote about India rather than restricting your self to Communist pamphlets.

Are you pleased to use English as your official language? haha