Who is Vladimir Putin?

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  1. Cadian

    Cadian Regular Member

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    Your fantasy mindflow is so much interesting, continue on.

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    Thanks, now I know who is the author of "Putin's stolen 200 billions" meme - William Felix Browder.
     
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    mahesh Regular Member

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    looks to me like England cricket player 'Nasir hussain' in his old age.
     
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    prohumanity Senior Member Senior Member

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    I wonder why entire western media is busy demonizing this guy ? What is he doing that West is so pissed and can not stop "bad mouthing" him 24/7 any main stream channel you watch. Seems a certain group is funding a lot of money to tarnish his image. Do you also notice this "PUTIN-PHOBIA" ?
     
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  5. adam7

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    Try Chechen war. There RUS military indiscriminately destroyed its own ppl with artillery and aerial carpet bombing. Try Georgia 2008, Try occupation of Crimea and attack and war in East Ukraine. Try election fraud, xenophobia, militarization of Russia and crushing of civil society & freedom of speech & right to assembly. Try allowing murders of journalists and dissidents. Try using polonium to murder Litvinenko for exposing blowing up residential buildings in Russia by FSB in false flag operation. Try arming dictator Assad. etc. etc.

    Read
    The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin
    by Masha Gessen.
     
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    prohumanity Senior Member Senior Member

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    Chechen terrorists were killing innocent people , killed hundreds of students and children of a school, bombed cinema halls in Moscow....do you think any country would have any differently what Russia did to finish these terrorists ? Every country has right to defend its people from terrorists.
     
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    There are other views of why the school in Beslan was attacked and why Russian troops attacked to kill all Chechens. Most of the kids in Beslan were killed when the Russian troops attacked.

    The Nord-Ost drama was in 2002, after the military part of the 2nd Chechen war and civilians were killed by Russian special ops troops using gas, but botching it. The war started because of the residential bombings. Don't mix cause and effect.

    Every county has a right to defend itself against terrorists. But Russia indiscriminately used artillery and carpet bombing against civilians, regardless whether they were Chechen or Russians.

    Remember when cute Volodja said that he would kill Chechens in the shithouse? That's Volodja.
     
  8. pmaitra

    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Gosh, looks like NATO trolls have descended upon this thread like a plague.

    So this is what we get as a result of so called European "free press." :lol:
     
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    Ad hominem isn't the most successful arguing technique o_O
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Neither is trolling and peddling fairy tales.

    Advice to myself.
     
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    this is Putin ...............................................
     
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    Russia is not an individual project - Professor Jukka Korpela

    https://aratorkustannus.wordpress.com/2014/05/


    Western sanctions against persons Putin's close circle. Helsingin Sanomat, presented 13.5. photographs of this oligarchy. Environment minister Niinistö spoke the previous evening Cheesyly at A studio of how Putin should steer towards the Western policies. Came to mind 80's kremlologian times when listed on the Communist Party secretarian names and evaluated, who is the hawk and who dove. Ratings went wrong because the side rose to the leadership is usually some unknown person.

    American culture is a world of individuals. There's fighting for good and bad together. This model leads to classify at the Middle East at the Far East at the Eastern European leaders. When evil is identified, a coalition with the good is formed, so that fairness. Time after time follow disappointments when, after all, does not work at all.

    East societies are communal. They justice and truth are not tied to the individual and the judgment of, but justice aims of Community balance. Therefore, all human rights are not absolute rights of the individual, but the right to live in the correct (ie, the correct approved) values. Individuals therefore do not implement their own passions, but the success of the Community. Pluralism is not in this world, but the ideal of a threat and a sign decadence. Although the communal world is not honest, altruistic nor fair, it controls the business activities to other solutions than the Western man might think.

    Work and research experience, says that Putin's assessment of Russian society, Brezhnev, Gorbachev and Stalin project is a mistake. Russia's history is full of all the world, "nobodyj
    Russia is not an individual project - Professor Jukka Korpela
    Western sanctions against persons Putin's close circle. Helsingin Sanomat, presented 13.5. photographs of this oligarchy. Environment Niinistö spoke the previous evening Cheesy A studio of how Putin should steer towards the Western policies. Came to mind 80's kremlologian times when listed on the Communist Party piirisihteerien names and evaluated, who is the hawk and who dove. Ratings went wrong because the side rose to the leadership is usually some unknown person.

    American culture is a world of individuals. There's fighting for good and bad together. This model leads to classify at the Middle East at the Far East at the Eastern European leaders. When evil is identified, a coalition with the good, so that fairness. Time after time petytään, after all, does not work at all.

    East societies are communal. They justice and truth are not tied to the individual and the judgment of, but justice aims of Community balance. Therefore, all human rights are not absolute rights of the individual, but the right to live in the correct (ie, the correct approved) values. Individuals therefore do not implement their own passions, but the success of the Community. Pluralism is not in this world, but the ideal of a threat and a sign decadence. Although the communal world is not honest, altruistic nor fair, it controls the business activities to other solutions than the Western man might think.

    Work and research experience, says that Putin's assessment of Russian society, Brezhnev, Gorbachev and Stalin project is a mistake. Russia's history is full of all the world, "nobodyjä", which are soon gone, and begun to function snapped the former elite. This is successful because it is only an administrative operator nor the Western person from believing the political reforms.

    Ideological revolutions have never been part of this, other than at the level of words. I have actually seen, although history textbooks chock-full of stories revolutions occurred in Russia. In fact, they have changed very little content themselves. This was the case even of the Soviet Union gave birth to the October Revolution, the. Putin has even itself a good example. He came from obscurity. His specific character is efficient administration. Nothing arbitrary ideological or societal he has not made.

    The current debate in Russia ideology summed up like this. Russian power is ideologyness in the sense that power usage is pragmatic. However, it is ideological in that the background is a multidimensional russionasims, which is believed to make the Russians as unique. This was the case during the Soviet era and today the Tsar. This is the power of the masses and the Republic, but at the same time they both are also prisoners. Eurovision Song Contest winner Conchita Wurstin aroused reaction in Russia to prove that a pluralistic civil society, the opposition is not due to the leaders but the whole moral atmosphere in society.

    Is it worth begins to analyze Russia as a phenomenon and forget about the individual level, in the sense of trying to think Putin to Western multi-party democracy actor. Putin does not run its own political agenda, but is managed by being Russian. At the same time, of course, action will also enrich him, as similar policies have enriched the oriental rulers for thousands of years. East did not see nor know how to distinguish public and private and individual and collective one another. Still, Putin and other leaders have also this system prisoners. They can lead to the system for his own benefit only in accordance with its rules. If they change the rules, to replace them as soon as possible by another dictator who respect these rules. In principle, just that crashed Gorbachev. Western countries will remember him for good and bad Russians
    ä", which are soon gone, and begun to function snapped the former elite. This is successful because it is only an administrative operator nor the Western person from believing the political uudistusagendoista.

    Ideological revolutions have never been part of this, other than at the level of words. I have actually seen, although history textbooks chock-full of stories revolutions occurred in Russia. In fact, they have changed very little content themselves. This was the case even of the Soviet Union gave birth to the October Revolution, the. Putin has even itself a good example. He came from obscurity. His specific character is efficient administration. Nothing arbitrary ideological or societal he has not made.

    The current debate in Russia aatteettomuudesta summed up like this. Russian power is aatteeton in the sense that power usage is pragmatic. However, it is ideological in that the background is a multidimensional venäläisyys, which is believed to make the Russians as unique. This was the case during the Soviet era and today the Tsar. This is the power of the masses and the Republic, but at the same time they both are also prisoners. Eurovision Song Contest winner Conchita Wurstin aroused reaction in Russia to prove that a pluralistic civil society, the opposition is not due to the leaders but the whole moral atmosphere in society.

    Is it worth begins to analyze Russia as a phenomenon and forget about the individual level, in the sense of trying to think Putin to Western multi-party democracy actor. Putin does not run its own political agenda, but is managed by being Russian. At the same time, of course, action will also enrich him, as similar policies have enriched the oriental rulers for thousands of years. East did not see nor know how to distinguish public and private and individual and collective one another. Still, Putin and other leaders have also this system prisoners. They can lead to the system for his own benefit only in accordance with its rules. If they change the rules, to replace them as soon as possible by another dictator who respect these rules. In principle, just that crashed Gorbachev. Western countries will remember him for good and bad Russians
     
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    Raw individualism is not different from pathological narcissism ...in such a mindset its all about "I, Me and Myself" OR in simple English..unlimited greed and selfishness.
    Sharing and caring for each other is a much higher human value . These oligarch thugs are enriching themselves at the cost of average people and Putin stops them by force from doing that. Therefore, these filthy rich get angry with people like Putin. This is the real reason of PUTIN-PHOBIA in the west. Crooks, fraudsters and ponzy schemers could not rob Russia because Putin stood in their way. No wonder over 90% Russians still support Putin.
     
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    Happy 63-rd birthday to our dear president Vladimir Putin!

     
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    Putin is a drunk retard that is the President of a semi failed nation with brainwashed people.
    Enough said.
    Putin prefers to spend billions on useless tanks and whatsoever other crap than improving the quality of life of his people.
     
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    Says the man whose president is lackey of braindead Merkel? Irony! They together have managed to bring Eropean Union to the brink of economical and social collapse with billions of dollars spent in feeding foreigners who pose a clear danger to the identity and security of whole of Europe. Compared to them, Putin is second coming of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Putin is a teetotaler. He appears to be smart as well. His actions prove that he knows how to operate from a position of relative weakness. Like it or not, he is a much admired personality.

    In media, you will see a lot of anti-Putin and pro-Putin articles, but the comments, after Syria, are overwhelmingly pro-Putin.
     
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    Saying this doesnt mean Hollande is any better.
     
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