Who do Indians like: Russia or USA?

[angeldude13]

What do you think we are doing now?Can we back on American VETO for us all times?

I didn't got your question.
Do you mean if we can rely on amreeka for VETO??

 

[Kaalapani]

I didn't got your question.
Do you mean if we can rely on amreeka for VETO??

yes.sir.yes sir

 

[Sea Eagle]

Bofors gole I think we bought from South afrika at expensive price. We send 2 il 76 over night to bring those golas

Kalyani Group head said in a recent interview that even they produced Golas during Kargil War

 

[Sea Eagle]

Let's be practical and play both sides like a playa

We cant even do anything against small countries like Sri Lanka and Italy and you are saying about Vets like Russia and USA

btw Russia is winning

 

[Peter]

Well my vote goes to........................ USA

 

[t_co]

If anyone chooses the US after so much of history is blatantly anti national, that's all I am going to say. Just look at the way they treat us? Look at the way India is portrayed in their media and other TV programs and movies.

Actually, the way the US media portrays Indians, especially Indian-Americans, is relatively positive among ethnic groups (including Asians specifically).

However, the portrayal of India, the country, is broadly negative.

Look at the way our people are humiliated on a regular basis (the worst was APJ, in my opinion) not to mention the large scale conversions their institutions do in our land to weaken the very social fabric we Indian hold so dearly. How can any self respecting Indian choose them.

I have a question to all the pro US cronies on this forum. We have seen time and again that the US treats Indians much worse than the Chinese. They consider us as allies and the Chinese as an enemy. How can you explain this paradox?

The US doesn't view China (or Russia, for that matter) as an enemy - it views the former as a rival, and the latter as a nuisance. Even though they are rivals, though, the US treats China politely because China has earned its grudging respect through economic development and military muscle, and because China returns the respect that the US gives it in areas not related to China's core interests.

On the other hand, the US views India as a clumsy idealist at best and two-faced at worst. The US has always been deeply suspicious of India's willingness to accede to the 'global trade system', which, much more than democracy, is the real socioeconomic change the US wants to see in every society on earth... and India is not yet strong enough to have anything to offer to the United States.

 

[JBH22]

Russia.

Its a country with a history and given uncle Sam encourages --------- choice is not difficult

 

[Hari Sud]

This is a very important thread. It is worth while reckoning who had done what for backward India.

Russia and prior to that Soviet Union has been a steadfast friend. It was a two polar world. For some stupid reason Nehru and his leftist colleagues preferred to deal with Russia and rebuked US for Cold War, Cuban crisis and Vietnam War, leave aside countless little wars which US fought in Latin America. Then a few major wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

But other than Soviet/Russian support in UN Security Council, they had nothing to offer. India needed massive economic aid Russia had nothing to offer other than guns and a few old technology projects here and there. Hence India had to look for money and technical assistance to US.

Soviet Veto at UN kept Kashmir slipping out of India's hand. But none of these vetoes were worth anything if it came without developmental aid.

Now let us see how US dealt with India.

1. The rogue duo of John and Allen Dulles ridiculed India for everything in fifties. Pakistan was there favourite country for economic and military aid.

2. During height of El Niño in 1965/67 when India's farm output took a serious hit, US shipped 10 million tons of grain to stave off hunger.

3. During 1962 Chinese invasion John F Kennedy sided with India and told Chinese to turn back. India began to appreciate US more, but that was not to be.

4. That massive military assistance US provided to Pakistan was used by them in 1965. Luckily that highly advanced weaponry was outside the technical capability of Pakistan. Pakistan failed and India rejoiced.

5. In 1971 the greatest disservice to India was done when during height of Bangladesh War, US rushed nuclear equipped seventh fleet to Bay of Bengal to beat up India.

6. Later US after 1971, a bit dismayed with their client Pakistan, increased economic aid to India via World Bank and IMF etc. a special grouping of Aid India Club was created . It channeled huge amount of aid including farm aid to India. In ten years India was food surplus. It imported some but exported equal amount.

7. With Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, India was alarmed. Pakistan was again a favoured nation for military assistance. This alarmed India and it turned to Soviet Union for cut rate guns and fighters.

8. Two Clinton's (President Clinton and his wife Hillary Clinton) we're the worst from India's point of view. President Clinton had China focus for FDI and development and Hillary Clinton, although always smiled at you but stabbed in the back during her stint as Secretary of State from 2008-12. India wished to be considered as a candidate for FDI on a massive scale but President Clinton would have none of it under one pretext or other. India continuously reminded them that you were giving too much assistance to china. The latter had killed 30,000 US service men in Korean War and were still the enemy. Instead Clinton wished India to be subservient to China. The famous words from US think tank "road for improvement of India and US relations passes thru Peking". During this period Of 1991 to 2004, China received $500 billion in FDI to build their factories and infrastructure, India received $50 billion.

10. President Bush (jr) era saw some understanding of India and FDI and FII flow was increased but not much, although Indo -US nuclear deal could spur some investment. Thanks to Hillary Clinton, all gains were sabotaged while she smiled at you. The Indo-US Nuclear deal went to the back burner on one pretext or other.

11. Nit picking by US on Indian policy in the Indian Ocean region has been used by left over Hillary Clinton friends in the State a Department to sabotage Indo-US relations. It resulted in arrest of an Indian diplomat in New York on flimsy grounds. India could arrest US diplomats on the same grounds in India but India refrained.

With all it's short comings US is the only country which could provide you a sum of $500 billion in FDI. This will be overriding conditions on all small and big issues. Just as China temporarily walked into US camp and gained massively, India has to find ways and means to reach out to US. The new government could help.

Russia can neither provide this kind of aid nor is willing. After the fall of Soviet Union they have become stingy friends. They overcharge in every arms and ammunition they supply. They massively over charged in refurbishing of India Aircfraft carrier. It is pity.

In the end; Russia is a penniless friend. It has nothing to offer. Hence the choice will still fall on US. We have to settle with them in the same way as China settled with them to make economic gains.

 

[Cliff@sea]

Actually, the way the US media portrays Indians, especially Indian-Americans, is relatively positive among ethnic groups (including Asians specifically).

However, the portrayal of India, the country, is broadly negative.



The US doesn't view China (or Russia, for that matter) as an enemy - it views the former as a rival, and the latter as a nuisance. Even though they are rivals, though, the US treats China politely because China has earned its grudging respect through economic development and military muscle, and because China returns the respect that the US gives it in areas not related to China's core interests.

On the other hand, the US views India as a clumsy idealist at best and two-faced at worst. The US has always been deeply suspicious of India's willingness to accede to the 'global trade system', which, much more than democracy, is the real socioeconomic change the US wants to see in every society on earth... and India is not yet strong enough to have anything to offer to the United States.

Pretty objective observation IMO ,

except for the highlighted portion , which is the usual chinese arrogance at display, i wont bother to correct it ,it suits us just right

 

[Cliff@sea]

Actually in the colloquial sense , Americans dont consider us Asians, only mongoloids .
they refer to us as just 'Indians'.

I believe he was using the term "Asians" in the geographical sense , which b t w is not wrong.
Its just americans who are weird that way.

 

[Peter]

This is a very important thread. It is worth while reckoning who had done what for backward India.


In the end; Russia is a penniless friend. It has nothing to offer. Hence the choice will still fall on US. We have to settle with them in the same way as China settled with them to make economic gains.

Thanks for this opinion.I have been saying this same thing over and over again in the Ukrainian thread but no one listens to this.

 

[anoop_mig25]

I think most of professional educated as well as those of left leaning would always prefer American lead democrat west word then autocratc russians

And it think its because off well paying checks , freedom and yes offcourse one doesnt has to lean another foregin languange at the age of 21

 

[thethinker]

US as a business partner - yes but never ever really to be trusted.

Russia as a business partner - yes and more trustworthy than US.

However, over-reliance on any of the two is never a good idea considering how global power shifts happen. Same goes for blindly imitating or aping the West.

At the end, it is about mutual benefits, threat perception, forging new alliances and having a strong independent foreign policy.

Come to think of it, India right now has best of both the worlds - increasing bilateral trade with US as well as being a major member of BRICS. :cool2:

As far as the glee concerning how US helps India by giving jobs and large paychecks, it needs to be understood that it isn't a charity or an act of benevolence. The CEOs who outsource to countries where dollar goes a long way benefit them the most (and the stockholders).

So the thinking that US is better because it provides jobs and financial security to India is flawed considering how capitalism works. A better, more productive and cheaper workforce somewhere other than India and it is bye bye or a significant reduction in workforce here.

In this context, there are no real friends, no real enemies - just business. Getting ultra-jingoistic won't help much.

 

[Singh]

Why are so many people liking Russia ?

 

[Cliff@sea]

Why are so many people liking Russia ?

We do have a History.

Dont we. ?

 

[thethinker]

Why are so many people liking Russia ?

May be because of this ? :

Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Indo–Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation was a treaty signed between India and the Soviet Union in August 1971 that specified mutual strategic cooperation. The treaty was a significant deviation from India's previous position of non-alignment in the Cold War and in the prelude to the Bangladesh war, it was a key development in a situation of increasing Sino-American ties and American pressure. The treaty was later adopted to the Indo-Bangladesh Treaty of Friendship and cooperation in 1972.

 

[Singh]

@Cliff@sea @thinker USSR is dead, and even at its peak people would have given an arm and leg to emigrate to the West not to the Soviet block.

Even today, people are crazy to emigrate to the West and not Russia.

 

[p2prada]

I don't really know whether Indians like US over Russia or vice versa, but I am pretty sure that we Indians don't like each other.

 

[Kaalapani]

@Cliff@sea @thinker USSR is dead, and even at its peak people would have given an arm and leg to emigrate to the West not to the Soviet block.

Even today, people are crazy to emigrate to the West and not Russia.

What does emigration has to do with this?

 

[Kaalapani]

@Cliff@sea @thinker USSR is dead, and even at its peak people would have given an arm and leg to emigrate to the West not to the Soviet block.

Even today, people are crazy to emigrate to the West and not Russia.

What does emigration has to do with this?

You can go to west and still love Russia.

DO you think Russians who emigrated to West Hate Russia?