Who brought India's freedom

[Waffen SS]

Who brought India's freedom?

There are 4 options.

1) Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose for formation of INA which demolished Britain's Indian soldiers loyalty to Britain. Not to forget Britain heavily relied on Indian troops to put down revolts in India.

2) Gandhiji first Indian leader to bring poor villagers to freedom movement, before Gandhiji freedom movement was ran by "Babus" from town.

3) Joint effort of all including Netaji, Gandhiji, Rash behari Bose, Surya Sen, Bhagat Singh for example.

4) Britain themselves voluntarily offered freedom.

My vote goes for Netaji.

Why I am giving few.

Gandhiji himself said Netaji is "Patriot of Patriots.". British Government forbade BBC from broadcasting stories of Indian National Army.

Contemporary British PM Clement Attlee said effects of Bose and INA was most important leading to India's freedom movement.

And please vote.

 

[Free Karma]

I vote for joint effort.

Hitler played his part too there, but then it was already getting hard to manage us with civil movements and other violent efforts from internal forces and external parties.
You need everyone to join in and Gandhi bought the movement to the doorsteps of the "aam aadmi", and gave them an idea about what they could do as common people, otherwise most people really didnt care. The congress before that was just mostly posting the odd article in english dailies and making a speech at high society parties.

I really wish the would expand the sections about the INA and other freedom fighters. Because currently most of it is about Gandhi, and there is a small page or two on the others. I dont think thats right. (atleast this is how it was when I was studying history in school...like back in 2000 or so).

 

[Dovah]

Another fangirl thread. Great.

 

[Ray]

There are many who contributed towards the freedom, some sung and some unsung.

Mnaush Tiwari and Abhishake Sanghvi, as good parrots, would like us to believe it was the Congress, but that is not the whole truth. Within the Congress of those times, there were many who stalwarts and who quit after Independence .to form their own parties. They were united under one roof - the Congress so that Indiann stood united for the cause! To deny them their due would be patently false. iof not mischievous.

Then there were those who believed in armed insurrection. Indeed, they played a major role. Highlighting a few does not do justice to the many unsung heroes, who too sacrificed and went to the gallows or were sent to kalapani.

Even, I would say, the British helped - with their arrogance which was detested by all concerned and thus the Indian rose, each in his or her ideological way.

 

[hello_10]

Who brought India's freedom?

There are 4 options.

1) Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose for formation of INA which demolished Britain's Indian soldiers loyalty to Britain. Not to forget Britain heavily relied on Indian troops to put down revolts in India.

2) Gandhiji first Indian leader to bring poor villagers to freedom movement, before Gandhiji freedom movement was ran by "Babus" from town.

3) Joint effort of all including Netaji, Gandhiji, Rash behari Bose, Surya Sen, Bhagat Singh for example.

4) Britain themselves voluntarily offered freedom.

My vote goes for Netaji.

Why I am giving few.

Gandhiji himself said Netaji is "Patriot of Patriots.". British Government forbade BBC from broadcasting stories of Indian National Army.

Contemporary British PM Clement Attlee said effects of Bose and INA was most important leading to India's freedom movement.

And please vote.

Indian Freedom Struggle in Short

Netaji always worked in behalf of Mr Gandhi itself, his all the armies had names of Gandhi and others of indian freedom fighters itself, check :ranger:

he was the man who was for the purpose to show that there is a portion of society who may go for armed struggle, even to help Hitler also if it may help india have freedom, while Mr Gandhi even supported participation of indians in British army to negotiate with British rulers for an easy freedom of India, which won't result of unwanted casualities. British government gave an open promise to Mr Gandhi also, that India will get freedom just after WW2, if he support Britain in that war..... Mr Gandhi used to lead "Quit India Movements"/ "Non Corporation"/ Boycott of British products etc., but it was only Mr Jinnah who was for the purpose to resist these Gandhi's efforts. and check, most of the British Indian army people were belonging to Pakistan's areas :ranger:

there was no need to let the unarmed people get killed, if you know that they can't fight with heavily armed military. the only use of population was to put them on strikes, go to jails, boycott british products, "Satyagrah" in millions for "Quit Indian Movements" etc, half of the life of Mr Gandhi passed in jails only, while writing freedom messages for the common people from there

and this is how both, Gandhi and Netaji worked together. one was used to put a gun over British Rulers while the other one, Gandhi used all the 'non-violence' techniques to get the work done in the best possible way :thumb:

 

[Yusuf]

People of India did.

 

[Yusuf]

While Indians fought hard for freedom, the British in the end were desperate to get out. Mountbatten advanced the year from 1948 to 47. Thanks to him an ugly partition happened. It could have been peaceful. The Brits were facing severe balance of payment crisis. They really had no money to stay in India. They didn't even bother to use the armies to stop the carnage between Hindus & Muslims. They just wanted to get out of India.

I think if WWII had not happened, its possible that we would has taken a few years longer to get freedom & it certainly might not have been as "peaceful" as we learn in our texts.

 

[Ray]

I would say two Gujaratis brought India its freedom.

Mahatma Gandhi and Jiinnah. (I think both are from Saurastra).

And another Gujrati, Sardar Valalbhai Patel, stitched the ruins into a country as we know it now.

And there is anothr Gujarati looming on the horizon.

Let us leave the destiny of this country to Gujaratis and sit back and enjoy their toils.

 

[Ray]

While Indians fought hard for freedom, the British in the end were desperate to get out. Mountbatten advanced the year from 1948 to 47. Thanks to him an ugly partition happened. It could have been peaceful. The Brits were facing severe balance of payment crisis. They really had no money to stay in India. They didn't even bother to use the armies to stop the carnage between Hindus & Muslims. They just wanted to get out of India.

I think if WWII had not happened, its possible that we would has taken a few years longer to get freedom & it certainly might not have been as "peaceful" as we learn in our texts.

I wonder if the partition would ever be peaceful.

The British over the years had shoved the shaft between the communities very deep!

The aftermath is even felt today thanks to those who are the legatee of their machinations, which the legatees have tuned it into a fine rt, that even the British would be envious about!

 

[hello_10]

There are many who contributed towards the freedom, some sung and some unsung.

Even, I would say, the British helped - with their arrogance which was detested by all concerned and thus the Indian rose, each in his or her ideological way.

thats also a valid point, accepted worldwide, Mr Gandhi himself had accepted the same on few occasions, and as discussed in the British classes too as below.......... British took over that India whose share in world economy was 18%+, while they left India in 1947 when its share in world economy came down to hardly around 2.0%, leaving only agriculture's share in whole Indian economy by 50%+ that time



Mr Gandhi mainly fought for having home industries, renewal of Indian industries which would help generate taxes for that Indian government which is for the purpose for the people based in India, not for the people based in Britain whose 'democratically elected' government was putting more taxes on the Indian residents to help British military in their wars. nor Mr Gandhi wanted Indian civilians to buy those British products which were for the purpose to provide jobs to the British workers working in UK, not to indian civilians......

Influenced by the Bhagvad Gita and Hindu beliefs, the Jain religion and the Christian teachings of Leo Tolstoy, Gandhi moved on the path of Satya and Ahimsa. 'Satya' meaning 'truth' and 'ahimsa' meaning 'non-violence' were the two weapons that Gandhi used to fight the enemy.

Gandhi inspired people to boycott British goods and refuse earthy possessions. This movement was known as Swaraj and was economically significant because Indian home industries were virtually destructed by British industrialists. He advocated renewal of native Indian industries and began to use a spinning wheel as a token of return to simple village life. Thereafter, he constantly began promoting satyagraha, non-violence, non-cooperation and swaraj to achieve independence. Finally, in August 1947, the British were forcedto leave India.

Indianfreedomfighters.in

the graphs as below itself say the true pictures, how it was worth for just nothing to be in India after winning WW2. and also, support for Gandhi had gone so high that people were just not co-operating with that time British government anymore. British finally left that man, India, who was for no use anymore

=>Share of World Manufacturing Output, 1750 - 1900

India's De-Industrialization Under British Rule
http://www.nber.org/papers/w10586.pdf

India was a major player in the world export market for textiles in the early 18th century, but by the middle of the 19th century it had lost all of its export market and much of its domestic market. Other local industries also suffered some decline, and India underwent secular de-industrialization as a consequence. While India produced about 25 percent of world industrial output in 1750, this figure fell to only 2 percent by 1900.:shocked: We use an open, specific-factor model to organize our thinking about the relative role played by domestic and foreign forces in India's de-industrialization. The construction of new relative price evidence is central to our analysis. We document trends in the ratio of export to import prices (the external terms of trade) from 1800 to 1913, and that of tradable to non-tradable goods and own-wages in the tradable sectors going back to 1765. With this new relative price evidence in hand, we ask how much of the de-industrialization was due to local supply-side influences (such as the demise of the Mughal empire) and how much to world price shocks (such as world market integration and rapid productivity advance in European manufacturing), both of which had to deal with an offset the huge net transfer from India to Britain before 1815. Whether the Indian de-industrialization shocks and responses were big or small is then assessed by comparisons with other parts of the periphery.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w10586.pdf

 

[jmj_overlord]

it was joint effort right ? some people are remembered, but many who contributed even more are forgotten....so people of india as a whole

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Joint effort of all including Netaji, Gandhiji, Rash behari Bose, Surya Sen, Bhagat Singh for example.

 

[Singh]

The joint efforts of freedom fighters helped us Unite and be ready for the opportunity presented by the end of WW2, to become free.

 

[Bilal]

It was a long effort and 1857 started it,it was long effort of leaders and people and finally india was free.

 

[Singh]

It was a long effort and 1857 started it,it was long effort of leaders and people and finally india was free.

1857 was not a freedom movement, but the final nail in the coffin of Islamic Rule. It would have been anathema for any freedom fighter to fight for the Flag of Mughal Empire.

 

[Bilal]

Mughal empire fell down due to corruption and the betrayal of its core ruling states,the mughal empire was a golden history that we will all remember in good words.

 

[Singh]

Mughal empire fell down due to corruption and the betrayal of its core ruling states,the mughal empire was a golden history that we will all remember in good words.

One should celebrate Mughal Empire only if one's ancestors were legitimately sired by a Central Asian.

 

[maomao]

I doubt Gandhi was any revolutionary or he could be categorized with the ilk of Nataji or Bhagat Singh!

 

[Maharaj]

 

[nirranj]

In Tagores words,

punjaba sindhu gujarata marata dravida utkala banga!!!



In Mahakavi Subramania Bharathi's words...

தாயின் மணிக்கொடி பாரீர்! - அதைத்
தாழ்ந்து பணிந்து புகழ்ந்திட வாரீர்!

ஓங்கி வளர்ந்ததோர் கம்பம் - அதன்
உச்சியின் மேல் வந்தே மாதரம் என்றே
பாங்கின் எழுதித் திகழும் - செய்ய
பட்டொளி வீசிப் பறந்தது பாரீர்!

பட்டுத் துகிலென லாமோ? - அதில்
பாய்ந்து சுழற்றும் பெரும்புயற் காற்று
மட்டு மிகுந்தடித் தாலும் - அதை
மதியாதவ் வுறுதிகொள் மாணங்க்கப் படலம்

இந்திரன் வச்சிரம் ஓர்பால் - அதில்
எங்கள் துருக்கர் இளம்பிறை ஓர்பால்
மந்திரம் நடுவுறத் தோன்றும் - அதன்
மாண்பை வகுத்திட வல்லவன் யானோ?

கம்பத்தின் கீழ் நிற்றல் காணீர் - எங்கும்
காணரும் வீரர் பெருந்திருக் கூட்டம்
நம்பற்க் குரியர் அவ்வீரர் - தங்கள்
நல்லுயிர் ஈந்தும் கொடியினைக் காப்பார்.

அணியணி யாயவர் நிற்கும் - இந்த
ஆரியக் காட்சியோர் ஆனந்தம் அன்றோ?
பணிகள் பொருந்திய மார்பும் - விறல்
பைந்திரு வோங்கும் வடிவமும் காணீர்!

செந்தமிழ் நாட்டுப் பொருநர் - கொடுந்
தீக்கண் மறவர்கள் சேரன்றன் வீரர்
சிந்தை துணிந்த தெலுங்கர் - தாயின்
சேவடிக் கேபணி செய்திடு துளுவர்.

கன்னடர் ஓட்டிய ரோடு - போரில்
காலனும் அஞ்சக் கலக்கும் மராட்டர்,
பொனகர்த் தேவர்க ளப்ப - நிற்கும்
பொற்புடையார் இந்துஸ் தானத்து மல்லர்

பூதலம் முற்றிடும் வரையும் - அறப்
போர்விறல் யாவும் மறுப்புறும் வரையும்
மாதர்கள் கற்புள்ள வரையும் - பாரில்
மறைவரும் கீர்த்திகொள் ரஜபுத்ர வீரர்

பஞ்ச நதத்துப் பிறந்தோர் - முன்னைப்
பார்த்தன் முதற்பலர் வாழ்ந்தநன் னாட்டார்,
துஞ்சும் பொழுதினும் தாயின் - பதத்
தொண்டு நினைந்திடும் வங்கத்தி னோரும்

சேர்ந்ததைக் காப்பது காணீர்! அவர்
சிந்தையின் வீரம் நிரந்தரம் வாழ்க!
தேர்ந்தவர் போற்றும் பரத - நிலத்
தேவி துவஜம் சிறப்புற வாழ்க!

A rough translation of Bharati's Words,

See!! The flag of our Mother Flies high,
Come bow and sing her pride!!

The pole stands tall – in
Its top flies the flag
Made of silk and has
"Vande Matharam" engraved

The flag cannot be belittled as silk cloth,
It flies with pride even in whirl winds!

Indira's Thunder bolt in one quarter,
There is our Turks half moon in the other quarter,
Veda's truth in its middle
Can I a mortal sing its pride??

See the men who stand around the pole,
Men whose bravery has no equal in this world,
Men of their words – will
Shed their lives in Serving her Flag!

There stands men, row after row
It's a overwhelming sight, seeing those Aryan men,
With broad shoulders and strong hands!

The greatest soldiers of the Ancient Tamil country,
The fiery eyed brave men from Kerala,
The clear minded Telugu men,
The kodavas who have sworn to serve our Mother.

Along the Kannadigas – are the Marathas
Who threaten death with their valor in war,
Hindustans wrestlers who are on par with devas of the Tri log.

The Rajputras, pride of whose bravery will live until the
World spins around the sun, until the
Dharmas are intact.

Men from the land of five rivers, who
Share the legendary bravery of Arjun.
The Bengalis, who even in their sleep dream of serving our mother.

See, those great men, See them standing united to serve her flag.
Long live their bravery!!
Long live the Mother of all Bharathavamshis!!
Long live her greatness"¦

It was the Bharathavamshis struggle and patriotism that made us free.