Discussion in 'Defence & Strategic Issues' started by Yusuf, Apr 28, 2009.
Explain offensive how?
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AWACS? Offensive? How?
Even in EW role it will be shot down before it can reach any place near where it can fry any important enemy equipment.
Well, if everyone is fantasizing why should I be left out?
My shopping list upto 2022 would be:
1. Modernized combat gears for infantry including body-armour, communication gears, NVGs etc.
2. MCIWS to be standard issue.
3. 1000 Arjun Mk.II
4. 150 Arjun Mk.III/ or DRDO Tank Ex or whatever indigenous Tank for evaluation
5. 500 Armata (if passes sub-continent suitability test)
6. 2000 FICV
7. 300 Namica with NAG in serial production
7. 300 Bajra (K9 Thunder) with K10 support vehicle
8. 250 Bheem with loading vehicle with autoloader
9. 500 Dhanush
10. 1500 Kalyani or L&T Towed artillery gun
11. 250 M777 guns
12. 200 SLWH Pegasus
13. 150 LCH
14. 100 Mi-17-v-5
15. 250 Dhruv
16. 250 LUH
17. 100 Rudra
18. 114 LCH
19. 50 AH-64E
20. 500 small UAVs for battlefield monitoring
21. 350 Pantsir S1
22. 1000 9K333 Verba MANPAD
23. 5 Akash Regiments
24. 12 more C-130J
25. 1000 Nirbhay CM
1. 150 PAK FA MKIsed
2. 150 FGFA
3. 300 AMCA
4. 300 LCA Mk.II
5. 35 CH-47 Chinook
6. 100 Ka-226
7. 250 Dhruv
8. 16 Akash Squadrons
9. 8 S400 Regiments
10. 50 UCAVs
11. 500 Brahmos-NG
12. 12 more C-130J
13. 12 Airbus 330MRTT
15. 12 DRDO AWACS
16. 4 More Phalcons
17. 70 C-295
18. 20 A400M
1. 2 Vishal class ACs
2. 6 improved Visakhapatnam class Destoryers with similar displacements but with at least 32 VLS for CMs
3. 6 Amur class SSKs
4. 6 Next-Gen SSBN with around 12000 - 15000 Ton displacement equipped with K4 missiles
5. 6 Arihant class SSNs (converted from SSBNs)
6. 2 more Akula III/Nerpa class
7. 12 more Veer class (improved) Covettes with ability to launch Brahmos
9. 12 Next Gen. Missile boats
10. 20 Kamorta/improved Kamorta class corvette
11. 40 NLCA
12. 8 more P-8I Poseidon
13. 5 E-2 Hawkeye
14. 50 S-70B (in different settings for Multi-Role, ASW, AEWC etc.)
15. 100 Ka-226
Also, raising of an amphibious assault corps (call it marines or whatever)
1. 6 Mistral class/improved Mistral class
2. 30-40 CH-53E Super Stallion
3. Naval Rudra
Strategic Forces Command
1. canisterised Agni-III in serial production
2. 40 PAK FA (The MKIs inducted for this purpose to be transferred to IAF)
3. Developed ASAT capability
I just came across the Lockheed tweet and would like to have opinion from those who are well versed on this subject.
This s one of the best list will u also plz elobarate u dream equipment 4 infantry and special forces
hope so.. in 2022 all we have..as lis
Ye to impossible hai bhai..
Science Fiction Movies bohat dekjhte ho bhai?!
agar change karna hi hai to F22 Raptor hi Chhos..karo..
par iske liye Military Budget Ka kya..??
vo bhi DE dete to kharcha Kam ho jayega.na..
US.. 690billon $
and us have
12 aircraft carrier (Nimitz class 90000ton)
and for future 10 on Construction.. (of course it's bigger than present)
Helicopter Academy to Train by Simulation of Flying
What are the present air defence capabilites of army and airforce ?
I think I will make this one post to announce the return of PGP20002 - the guy who named Mig35 as the contender for India's MMRCA in 2006. PGP20002 - The guy who literally gave the name Mig-35 to what was being touted as Mig29M3. The guy who suggested that LCA would not get FoC by even 2012 as way back as in 2006-07, when every so-called Indian patriot mentioned that FoC for LCA would be there by 2008. The same guy who mentioned that Vikramaditya would have to be bought for close to $2 bn when the revised pricing was assumed to be $1.2 bn. Well there were too many firsts from PGP20002 in the era of old forums before servers were shifted. Now, my biggest conclusion is that Rafale is the worst defence deal ever made by any government in Indian history. What India needs now is to sell 49% stake in HAL to Mitsubishi, shelve LCA after Mark II production of upto 120 fighters and on the sidelines get a production line for Su-30MKI-3 (Su-35) in addition to a collaborative effort for Mitsubishi X-2.
So I would like to see Mitsubishi X-2 instead of Rafale .
Supports Make in India initiative being a completely new platform and the fact that Mitsubishi is looking for participation from overseas entities and might be open to the idea of a production line in India.
Japanese - hence lesser cost over-runs in the project and streamlined production. The aircraft will be oriented keeping China in mind and possibly most PAF will be equipped with Chinese weapons in near future.
Cheaper compared to Rafale and likely only 50% costlier compared to LCA while being 5th gen.
The only aircraft that will have capability to meet 5+gen standards based on its concept.
Mitsubishi is one of the only groups across the world that is spread across the entire spectrum of defence from Naval, Land to Air and India can sell off 49% stake in HAL to Mitsubishi in the future. It could be like an exotic swap where Mitsubishi brings in Aero technology while gets stake in HAL.
What about this
And not some funny looking concept in a hangar in Tokyo
What do I want in upcoming years in realistic approach
I know there are many ongoing plans, most of them aren't included in my list & some are
For all three branches
Centralized command center for all armed forces.
Cyber warfare capabilities.
Barak 8ER SAM
Indigenous S-400 like AAD
SLWH Pegasus (we lost something after blacklisting ST Kinetics) with MII
Best standard rifle
UAVs which have enough capability of COIN ops
C-130 or C295 based gunships
Army & AF
60+ AH-64E with MII
Indigenous NG ATGM
CH-47 Chinook or Mi26(I don't know why did we choose CH47 instead of Mi26).
Earliest modernisation plan & implementation.
Replacement of Mig-21, Mig-27 by 2020
MTA with MII.
All 6 scorpenes by 2020+6 improved P75 u/c with AIP
Starting commissioning of P75I with AIP with at least 8 BrahMos VLS by 2020 & 12 by 2030
Development of indigenous SSK
4 MRSVs by 2025
P18 class destroyer/cruisers
10 P15B by 2025
10 P17A by 2025(it must be best in world in it's category in 2025)
Indigenous Talwar like Frigates with 32 VLS SAM & 8 VLS Nirbhay/BrahMos-NG
12 P28+ improved P28A with max speed 35Kn & number of crew requirement must be 80-90.
12 NGMVs by 2025
16 GSRE ASW Shallow Water Craft can be increased as only 700 tonnes ships
12 Visby like corvettes with SAM(tonnage may be more) to replace Veer class corvettes.
New bigger research vessels
Amphibious brigade with Tanks, FICVs, APCs, Attack Helicopters
Ice cutters for research & polar operations
For Coast Guard
Increase number of OPV to make number equal to Korea coast guard
Indigenous Super Dvora like patrol boats in huge numbers
Indigenous UUVs advanced(whatever you call)
All major ships must have maximum speed of 35Kn, must be 30Kn ut not less than that
High level of crew comfort in ships
High level of automation & less crews.
1)500 KW lessor.
2)KALI 100000 which may kill satellite from earth.
3)5 MW H bomb on which India is working.
4) AVATAR Military version.
5)500 KM range glide bomb.
6)Very powerful RAILGUN.
7) K4 Based 4000 KM range Aircraft career killer.
8)Surya Based 13 MIRV of 1 MT each.
10)Laser based anti missile defense system powerful enough to kill any missile in its boost phase.
Here's what i would buy if i had the power of the RM for a term between 2020 & 2025.For sake of ease I've calculated the defence budget at 2.5% of GDP and purchase budget at 30% of defence budget once for each 5 yr term.
purchase budget-26.5$bil/annum i.e. total budget of ~130$bil
1)Complete protective gear for 1 million soldiers including BPJ,ballistic helmet,knee pads,elbow pads,all terrain boots , assault rifle, pistol,& backpack. Cost for each soldier estimated at 4000$ total cost for 1 million men =4$billion.
2)Funding for 6 SSNs at 2$billion each =12$billion
3)Funding for 4 more SSBNs at 2$billion each=8$billion
4)Four LHD's at a combined cost of 6 billion$.
5)Six Destroyers at 1.5$billion each=9$billion
6)Ten frigates at 1$billion each= 10$billion
7)Ten SSKs at 1 $ billion each=10$billion
8)Five S500 units at 1$billion each= 5$billion
9)Five Super Swordfish LRTR @ 1.5$bil each-7.5$bil
10)Towed Arty- 1000 Bharat-52 at cost of roughly 2 billion$
11)1000 Dhanush Howitzers/ATAGS at a cost of roughly 2 billion $
12)1500 Pinaka MBRL at a cost of 2 billion $
13)500 M777 at a cost of approx 3 billion$
14)Tanks- 700 ARJUN mk2 tanks at a cost of roughly 6 billion$
15)APC's- 1000 TATA Kestrels at a cost of 3 billion$
16)AWACS- 4 more DRDO ELTA AIRBUS AWACS at a cost of 2 billion$
17)TANKERS- 5 more AIRBUS MRTT/BOEING KC-46 at a cost of 3 billion$
18)20 more C-17s at a cost of 6 billion $
19)30 more C-130H at a cost of 1 billion$
20)200 more DHRUV ALH at a cost of 1 billion$
21)20 MI-26 at a cost of 500 million$
22)20 CH-47 Chinook at a cost of 500 million$
23)200 mi-17 V5 at an approx cost of 1 billion$
24)100 more LCH at a cost of 500 million$
25)30 more APACHE AH-64E LONGBOW at a cost of 1 billion $
26)200LCA mk3 at a cost of 75$mil each=15$Bil
I still have 9$ Bil left over which would be used for upgradation of ten military bases at the cost of 500$Million/base= Upgradation of all Military academies & staff colleges to the levels to US Ivy League .
FOR GROUND ATTACK /CAS ROLE Textron AirLand’s Scorpion Jet.
[[I made this document on Mar 03, 2016 based on a pure reporter’s perspective. It is my own creation – “Project Silver Sky”. I just realize that I can post it in this particular thread. It is pure fictional and I wrote it by my imagination. So read it in a light manner and have fun.]]
Cost of single Tejas Mk.1A is $28 million in 2016 (when 1$=67 Rupees). By 2023, let’s assume Rupee appreciates to 45, i.e. 1$=45 Rupees. Thus in 2024, cost of Tejas Mk.1A will be $18.80 million per piece. Tejas Mk.2 for Navy (N-Tejas) will be ready for induction by that time. We can guess it will cost $22 million each.
PROJECT SILVER SKY
This was such a highly classified project that nobody had slightest idea what it was all about. The mystifying goal of this project was like a mist; even close defense experts knew nothing about it. It was said that it was the dream of Indian Prime Minister and most of this was designed by him, also with the assistance of Defense Minister and MOD. Both PM and DM were asked several times earlier what was all that about. But they were strictly tightlipped about it. On 23rd Sep 2021, the Defense Minister informed publicly that the information would be exposed at the right time before the starting of the project. On 2nd Jan 2024, the DM declassified Project Silver Sky and the data was a shocker! Everyone was anticipating something big, but not this big. The project was for the IAF only. But “Big” was an understatement, it was massively scary still such a highly ambitious goal, that if achieved, can propel India on par with USA and Russia in Air Fighter League. Both countries had given surprise reactions. Even China had taken a cautious eyebrow on this and gave an official statement that it would consider it to be the highest level threat to it.
So what is “PROJECT SILVER SKY”?
The mission of the project is to ramp up production of fighters significantly than the existing rate. MOD has decided to induct mainly 5th generation fighters in IAF. They will consist of Heavy-category fighter (FGFA), Medium-category fighter (AMCA) and Light-category fighter (Tejas Mk.3). By early 2024, AMCA will be ready for induction in IAF. Cost of AMCA will be $35 million per unit. Production will start from 1st Apr, 2024. According to plan, a mindboggling 900 AMCAs will be produced in the span of only 12 years (50 squadrons!)!!! That alone is higher than the requisite aircraft squadron of 44/45! That is the number of only AMCA. FGFA and MK.3 will be produced as well.
FGFA will be ready for induction by early 2025 and production will start from 1st Apr, 2025. In 2016, cost of a single FGFA was estimated to be $100 million. But by 2025, price will come down to $70 million. A whopping 756 FGFAs (Yes, it is 756 and not 156!) will be produced in 12 years (42 squadrons!)!!! This figure is the scariest aspect of the project. In 2016, cost of a single FGFA was estimated to be $100 million. But by 2025, price will come down to $70 million. Development of Tejas Mk.3 is progressing at very fast pace and year of introduction is slated to 2027. Cost of single Mk.3 will be $26 million. A staggering 864 Mk.3s will be procured in mere 10 years (48 squadrons!)!!!
Thus, by the end of 4th quarter of 2036 (31st Mar, 2037), India will field an unbelievable total of 140 squadrons (This is the number of only 5th gen fighter aircrafts!). With a massive 2,520 5th gen fighters, India will eventually enter elite superpower club with no one to challenge it. Brief information/timeline/cost is given below.
1st yr.: 60 (5 per month) [Apr 01, 2024 to Mar 31, 2025]
2nd yr.: 60 (5 per month) [Apr 01, 2025 to Mar 31, 2026]
3rd yr.: 60 (5 per month) [Apr 01, 2026 to Mar 31, 2027]
4th yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2027 to Mar 31, 2028]
5th yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2028 to Mar 31, 2029]
6th yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2029 to Mar 31, 2030]
7th yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2030 to Mar 31, 2031]
8th yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2031 to Mar 31, 2032]
9th yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2032 to Mar 31, 2033]
10th yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2033 to Mar 31, 2034]
11th yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2034 to Mar 31, 2035]
12th yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2035 to Mar 31, 2036]
Total: 900 AMCAs \\ Total AMCA squadrons: 50 (1 sqdn=18 Fighters)
Cost per unit: $35 million \\ Cost of 900 AMCAs: $31.50 billion
1st yr.: 48 (4 per month) [Apr 01, 2025 to Mar 31, 2026]
2nd yr.: 48 (4 per month) [Apr 01, 2026 to Mar 31, 2027]
3rd yr.: 48 (4 per month) [Apr 01, 2027 to Mar 31, 2028]
4th yr.: 60 (5 per month) [Apr 01, 2028 to Mar 31, 2029]
5th yr.: 60 (5 per month) [Apr 01, 2029 to Mar 31, 2030]
6th yr.: 60 (5 per month) [Apr 01, 2030 to Mar 31, 2031]
7th yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2031 to Mar 31, 2032]
8th yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2032 to Mar 31, 2033]
9th yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2033 to Mar 31, 2034]
10th yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2034 to Mar 31, 2035]
11th yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2035 to Mar 31, 2036]
12th yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2036 to Mar 31, 2037]
Total: 756 FGFAs \\ Total FGFA squadrons: 42 (1 sqdn=18 Fighters)
Cost per unit: $70 million \\ Cost of 756 FGFAs: $52.92 billion
HAL TEJAS MK.3
1st yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2027 to Mar 31, 2028]
2nd yr.: 72 (6 per month) [Apr 01, 2028 to Mar 31, 2029]
3rd yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2029 to Mar 31, 2030]
4th yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2030 to Mar 31, 2031]
5th yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2031 to Mar 31, 2032]
6th yr.: 84 (7 per month) [Apr 01, 2032 to Mar 31, 2033]
7th yr.: 96 (8 per month) [Apr 01, 2033 to Mar 31, 2034]
8th yr.: 96 (8 per month) [Apr 01, 2034 to Mar 31, 2035]
9th yr.: 96 (8 per month) [Apr 01, 2035 to Mar 31, 2036]
10th yr.: 96 (8 per month) [Apr 01, 2036 to Mar 31, 2037]
Total: 864 Tejas Mk.3s \\ Total Mk.3 squadrons: 48 (1 sqdn=18 Fighters)
Cost per unit: $26 million \\ Cost of 864 Mk.3s: $22.46 billion
Total cost of 2,520 fighters: $106.88 billion (Estimated)
New Buk-M3 medium range surface to air missile with a range of 50km mach 4 speed...
I think we should increase akash range to 50-80km in container launching capability
I would like India to buy AC-130U Tactical Bombers. These planes would be a great asset to our armed forces. Plus these planes would help India use its air superiority to fullest.
Are these induced into Army ?
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