What if the ARAB SPRING reaches SAUDI ARABIA?

can ARAB SPRING reach SAUDI ARABIA ?


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josh67

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saudi arabia very actively funded the radical islamic groups in syrian civil war with money and arms. However saudi arabia deSPERATE ACTIONS did not get them success in their ultimate goal of falling bashar-al-assad regime and installing a islamic govt or a moanrch under its influence.

saudi arabia plan backfired and led to crisis in iraq. As of now isis have become self-sustainable with high incomes from oil revenues, looting mosul bank ,doing extortion and kidnappings.

isis and its other associates are stuck in a region where they cannot gain further territory because

*on west bashal-al-assad regime is strong(supported by russia and iran)
*on south eastern iraq --- shia forces and kurdish forces are present with support from NATO.
*turkey?? noooo because it is a powerful regional country and a stable democracy.

the only country left is saudi arabia which is a islamic monarchy and has elements within which supports ISIS.it is a good breeding place for ISIS and could harness good local support which ISIS is famous for. history has shown again & again that monarchs fall pretty quickly and unpredectibly... so is saudi arabia next?? or it is too big to fail??
 

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When Saudi Arabia falls, US will lose its safe footholding in the Middle-east; which is unthinkable for US. The elements in Saudi Arabia will liais with the ISIS and make sure ISIS stay out of Saudi. ISIS is important for someone in the Middle east and only time will say who installed them and for what.
Its a part of a great theatre of UW.
 

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Al-Otaibi and his followers tried that. Their attempt failed, and their heads were chopped off.
 

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It reached Bahrain with the shia majority, but the sunni ruling minority sought help and suppressed the whole movement with the military help from Saudi arabia.

It is worth noting that Western govt who are supposedly beacon of freedom world kept quiet if not actively supporting these theocracies :)

Talking about double standards.
 

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It reached Bahrain with the shia majority, but the sunni ruling minority sought help and suppressed the whole movement with the military help from Saudi arabia.

It is worth noting that Western govt who are supposedly beacon of freedom world kept quiet if not actively supporting these theocracies :)

Talking about double standards.
Thats what i am saying ..saudi arabia is a perfect breeding ground for Isis as it has sunni majority...suppressed people and radical ideology
 

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but my question is, the so called Arab spring is really that strong?
what has it achieved, and whats is its basis.
 

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but my question is, the so called Arab spring is really that strong?
what has it achieved, and whats is its basis.
No such spring was ever that strong. Success came in Libya because of NATO invasion, not because the springing mercenaries were strong. Where NATO failed in invade, we have stalemate, like in Syria. In Saudi Arabia, it won't happen, because Saudi Arabia is an ally of the west. Ditto with Bahrain.
 

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saudi arabia very actively funded the radical islamic groups in syrian civil war with money and arms. However saudi arabia deSPERATE ACTIONS did not get them success in their ultimate goal of falling bashar-al-assad regime and installing a islamic govt or a moanrch under its influence.

saudi arabia plan backfired and led to crisis in iraq. As of now isis have become self-sustainable with high incomes from oil revenues, looting mosul bank ,doing extortion and kidnappings.

isis and its other associates are stuck in a region where they cannot gain further territory because

*on west bashal-al-assad regime is strong(supported by russia and iran)
*on south eastern iraq --- shia forces and kurdish forces are present with support from NATO.
*turkey?? noooo because it is a powerful regional country and a stable democracy.

the only country left is saudi arabia which is a islamic monarchy and has elements within which supports ISIS.it is a good breeding place for ISIS and could harness good local support which ISIS is famous for. history has shown again & again that monarchs fall pretty quickly and unpredectibly... so is saudi arabia next?? or it is too big to fail??
Saudi is funding arab spring to force other countries to reduce oil production. Iraq could double oil output if they can control extremists. But Saudi will soon taste their own medicine similar to what Pakistan is facing now.
 

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@jus,

Good map. I know you got it from Global Research. I would like to see Gilgit-Baltistan part of India, and also control of the Wakhan Corridor, to have a direct link with Tajikistan, and thereby, Central Asia.
 
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It will never reach the Arabian peninsula. Relations between the Saudi monarchy and the west are mint, and the west has vomited too much money into gulf states like the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, etc., which cannot survive instability in Saudi Arabia.

Al-Otaibi and his followers tried that. Their attempt failed, and their heads were chopped off.
Exactly. When the relations between the Saudi monarchy and Big Oil ran into rough waters, that movement cropped up. When it stabilized, it was crushed, and those people were cut like goats.

Somebody ate a Rainbow popsicle and pulled that image out of their ass. It's a very old image. Good luck with giving POK to Afghanistan, for starters.
 

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saudi arabia very actively funded the radical islamic groups in syrian civil war with money and arms. However saudi arabia deSPERATE ACTIONS did not get them success in their ultimate goal of falling bashar-al-assad regime and installing a islamic govt or a moanrch under its influence.

saudi arabia plan backfired and led to crisis in iraq. As of now isis have become self-sustainable with high incomes from oil revenues, looting mosul bank ,doing extortion and kidnappings.

isis and its other associates are stuck in a region where they cannot gain further territory because

*on west bashal-al-assad regime is strong(supported by russia and iran)
*on south eastern iraq --- shia forces and kurdish forces are present with support from NATO.
*turkey?? noooo because it is a powerful regional country and a stable democracy.

the only country left is saudi arabia which is a islamic monarchy and has elements within which supports ISIS.it is a good breeding place for ISIS and could harness good local support which ISIS is famous for. history has shown again & again that monarchs fall pretty quickly and unpredectibly... so is saudi arabia next?? or it is too big to fail??

I would favor it, in fact. if you do something then do it openly. Saudi Arabia and ISIL have limited difference, one is doing the same as a 'responsible' nation for many years, while the other side is now doing the same, but openly. and hence i find ISIL, a more welcome approach.....

Saudi Arabia and ISIL deserve merge, i sincerely believe :ranger:

Pakistan's Shia genocide
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This week's Ashura commemorations in Pakistan have been marked with mass killings by extremist groups, but "it is only part of a broader campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing" [EPA]

In the days leading up to the religious holiday of Ashura, leading members of the Pakistani Shia community in Pakistan received anonymous text messages warning of violence to come: "Kill, Kill, Shia".

In recent years, Ashura - which not long ago throughout the country was an occasion which Sunnis, Shias and others among Pakistan's ethno-religious milieu would commemorate together in harmony - has become an annual flashpoint in Pakistan's increasingly sectarian and violent religious culture.

Tragically, and despite high-profile efforts by the government to clamp down on the ability to militants to target worshippers such as the limitating cellphone service and banning of motorcycles from public roads during the holiday, this year's Ashura in Pakistan signified a continuation of the country's spiral into self-destructive communal violence.

A suicide bomber in the city of Rawalpindi hurled a grenade into the midst of a Shia procession before detonating his vest and killing 23 people, while other attacks throughout the country from Karachi to Dera Ismail Khan claimed the lives of dozens more.

The attacks were claimed by Pakistani Taliban (TTP) militants who denounced the victims as "blasphemers" and stated they were engaged in a "war of belief" with Shias - stating further that attacks against them would continue until they, in their millions, were wiped out of the country.

That the fanatical nihilism of terrorist attacks against public religious ceremonies - ceremonies which have been observed since the country's founding - has become normalised and routine is a sign of the depths to which Pakistan has sunk in terms of sectarianism and social fragmentation over the past decade.

Once a respected and well-integrated minority in a country where they comprise roughly 20 per cent of the population and count the nation's founder as one of their own, Shia Muslims within Pakistan have become a community under siege in recent years and are facing a situation which is increasingly being described by many Pakistanis as a slow-motion genocide.

Several hundred Pakistani Shias have been killed this year alone in increasingly high-profile attacks by extremist militants, including one incident caught on video in August in which passengers were forced off a bus in the Gilgit region and executed by armed militants who checked their victims' ID cards before killing whomsoever they could identify as being Shia.

It is believed that since the early 1990s, nearly 4,000 Pakistani Shias have been murdered insectarian attacks, and at a pace which has rapidly accelerated in recent years. The tragic irony of this increasingly violent sectarianism is that Muhammad Ali Jinnah, widely known and revered as the "Father of the Nation" of Pakistan was himself a Shia Muslim though he maintained a secular public religious identity and preached the same for the country which he created.

His famous speech to Pakistanis in which he said: "You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed"¦", signifies how far modern-Pakistan has departed from its founding ideals and become a place where the country's founder himself would likely be threatened and unwelcome.

Ahmadis, Barelvis, Christians and Hindus have all become subject to persecution within an increasingly religiously-chauvinistic Pakistani society, but it is Shias who have suffered the highest toll of bloodshed and whose fate is most tied to external forces intent on using Pakistan as a battleground for broader regional conflicts.


Pakistan as sectarian battleground

In an interview given to Reuters, Malik Ishaq, the leader of one of Pakistan's most notorious anti-Shia extremist groups Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) declared Shia Muslims "the greatest infidels on earth" and demanded that the Pakistani state "declare Shia non-Muslims on the basis of their beliefs".

Ishaq's demagoguery is not idle talk, LeJ death squads are believed to have been responsible for the killings of thousands of Shias throughout the country, including a campaign of targeted murders in 2011 which killed dozens of Shia doctors, lawyers and politicians residing in the major port-city of Karachi.

One lower-level LeJ operative now in police custody, Mahmoud Baber, reportedly choked with pride and emotion while describing to reporters his "great satisfaction" at being involved in 14 murders over his militant career, saying of the organisations purpose: "Get rid of Shias. That is our goal. May God help us".

Despite his unrepentant advocacy and propagation of violence, Ishaq himself has been acquitted over 30 times on homicide and terrorism charges - an incredible run of judicial fortune which many have attributed to covert support from elements within Pakistan's national security establishment which have long cultivated such groups as potential weapons against regional rival such as India.

Indeed, while organisations like the LeJ, Pakistani Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba and offshoots such as the Sipah-e-Sahaba (SSP) focus their violence on Pakistani Shias, they are representative of a broader regional narrative to which the Shia community is largely a victim of geopolitical circumstance and manipulation by external parties.

Pakistan has long been a front in the battle for regional influence between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the patronage of violent extremist groups primarily by the latter has been utilised as a tool to counter potential Iranian influence within the country.

The Pakistani Shia population, as well as the Pakistan's social cohesion as a whole, have been the collateral damage in this battle as wealthy Gulf donors have armed and funded sectarian death squads to wreak havoc against Pakistani Shias and other religious minorities within the country.

WikiLeaks cables released in 2009 described the extent of which this support has been facilitated: "Donors in Saudi Arabia as the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide"¦ for groups aligned with Al-Qaida and focused on undermining stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan". :facepalm:

The leaked report describes in detail the extent to which wealthy, conservative Gulf donors have sought to use Pakistan as a battlefront for their war against Iran - a war in which they see all Shias across the world as being legitimate targets for violence.

An estimated $100m per year has flowed from donors from the Gulf to fund extremist groups in Pakistan and spread sectarian ideology - a massive sum especially for a developing country such as Pakistan and one which has been increasingly successful in subverting the heterodox and tolerant Islamic tradition which has historically been prevalent in the subcontinent.

Children in particular, often pliable candidates for suicide bombings, have been specifically recruited for indoctrination with those "between the ages of 8 to 12" and whose families are "suffering extreme financial difficulties" being the most favoured targets of recruitment by sectarian extremist groups. :tsk:

Pakistan's Shia genocide - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
 
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No such spring was ever that strong. Success came in Libya because of NATO invasion, not because the springing mercenaries were strong. Where NATO failed in invade, we have stalemate, like in Syria. In Saudi Arabia, it won't happen, because Saudi Arabia is an ally of the west. Ditto with Bahrain.
and one more thing to consider is that saudis are happy with the present rule, they get to do whatever they want in the name of islam (like abusing females, humiliating non-saudis and non muslims- sort of perfect islamic bubble), then what in the camels back do they dream for democracy and equality which are as unislamic as a jew.
 

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The possibility is there, They can make Mecca and Medina similar to Vatican city.

USA fully supports Monarchy in S.Arabia. But future is unpredictable as USA's strategic interests always changes.

ISIS has some ideal wahabi breeding grounds in S.Arabia. If a fire catches there it will spread like hell in that area.
 

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saudi arabia very actively funded the radical islamic groups in syrian civil war with money and arms. However saudi arabia deSPERATE ACTIONS did not get them success in their ultimate goal of falling bashar-al-assad regime and installing a islamic govt or a moanrch under its influence.

saudi arabia plan backfired and led to crisis in iraq. As of now isis have become self-sustainable with high incomes from oil revenues, looting mosul bank ,doing extortion and kidnappings.

isis and its other associates are stuck in a region where they cannot gain further territory because

*on west bashal-al-assad regime is strong(supported by russia and iran)
*on south eastern iraq --- shia forces and kurdish forces are present with support from NATO.
*turkey?? noooo because it is a powerful regional country and a stable democracy.

the only country left is saudi arabia which is a islamic monarchy and has elements within which supports ISIS.it is a good breeding place for ISIS and could harness good local support which ISIS is famous for. history has shown again & again that monarchs fall pretty quickly and unpredectibly... so is saudi arabia next?? or it is too big to fail??
Relax and don't worry..

That won't happen .. We don't have problems with our government to protest against them. :thumb:

There is a big differences between gulf countries (GCC) and other Arabs countries ...

All those people who overthrow their presidents they were looking for justice and better life..So, that does not mean all regimes will fall or it's weak !


Moreover, the responsible of the situations in IRAQ is USA not Saudi Arabia as you mentioned !

A little of credibility,please ..

USA Who toppled Saddam Hussain and created a new extremist regime ( Noory Al-Malki) .. And that regime stood in Shia's side against Sunnies and killed them ,threw them in prisons ,raped their women and insult them !

Now,People in Iraq are looking for their rights not because Saudi Arabia ordered them .
 
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Relax and don't worry..

That won't happen .. We don't have problems with our government to protest against them. :thumb:

There is a big differences between gulf countries (GCC) and other Arabs countries ...

All those people who overthrow their presidents they were looking for justice and better life..So, that does not mean all regimes will fall or it's weak !


Moreover, the responsible of the situations in IRAQ is USA not Saudi Arabia as you mentioned !

A little of credibility,please ..

USA Who toppled Saddam Hussain and created a new extremist regime ( Noory Al-Malki) .. And that regime stood in Shia's side against Sunnies and killed them ,threw them in prisons ,raped their women and insult them !

Now,People in Iraq are looking for their rights not because Saudi Arabia ordered them .
You have a wraped knowledge of the facts, are you sure you aren't brainwashed by wahabi propaganda ?
 

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Saudi Arabia is the hotbed of financing, planning and directing global terrorism via Pakistan and other allies...they destabilzed entire middle east and caused endless misery to the poor people of middle eastern countries. The screams and tears of those people might wipe out
the regime of Saudi Royal family ... Even Netanyahoos and Uncles might not be able to defend the Saudi Royal family. I see this coming.
 

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Global outrage at Saudi Arabian blogger's public flogging

Saudi Arabia is remaining silent in the face of global outrage at the public flogging of the jailed blogger Raif Badawi, who received the first 50 of 1,000 lashes on Friday, part of his punishment for running a liberal website devoted to freedom of speech in the conservative kingdom.

Anger at the flogging — carried out as the world watched the bloody denouement of the Charlie Hebdo and Jewish supermarket jihadi killings in Paris — focused on a country that is a strategic ally, oil supplier and lucrative market for the U.S., Britain and other western countries but does not tolerate criticism at home.

Punishment filmed

Mr. Badawi was shown on a YouTube video being beaten in a square outside a mosque in Jeddah, watched by a crowd of several hundred who shouted Allahu Akbar (God is great) and clapped and whistled after the flogging ended. Mr. Badawi made no sound during the flogging and was able to walk back unaided afterwards.

"Raif was escorted from a bus and placed in the middle of the crowd, guarded by eight or nine officers," a witness told Amnesty International. "He was handcuffed and shackled but his face was not covered. A security officer approached him from behind with a huge cane and started beating him.

"Raif raised his head towards the sky, closing his eyes and arching his back. He was silent, but you could tell from his face and his body that he was in real pain." Mr. Badawi's wife, Ensaf Haidar, told the Guardian from Montreal on Sunday: "Many governments around the world have protested about my husband's case. I was optimistic until the last minute before the flogging. But the Saudi government is behaving like Daesh [a derogatory Arabic name for Islamic State or Isis]."

Saudi Arabia joined other Arab and Muslim countries in condemning the murder of 12 people at the Paris satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo but angry comments highlighted its double standard in meting out a cruel punishment to a man who was accused of insulting Islam.

One cartoon circulating on social media showed a man resembling Mr. Badawi being flogged alongside the words: "Saudi Arabia condemns the terrorist attack on freedom of expression in Paris" Another image showed a pencil being flayed by whips.

One woman at Sunday's Paris solidarity rally carried a placard declaring: "I am Raif Badawi, the Saudi journalist who was flogged." Others protested at the presence of the Saudi Foreign Minister.

Mr. Badawi was sentenced last May to 10 years' imprisonment and 1,000 lashes — 50 at a time over 20 weeks — and fined 1 million Saudi riyals (£175,000). He has been held since mid-2012, and his Free Saudi Liberals website, established to encourage debate on religious and political matters in Saudi Arabia, is closed.

He is expected to receive another 50 lashes this Friday.

Mr. Badawi's punishment is part of a wider campaign against domestic dissent. His lawyer, Waleed Abu al-Khair, was sentenced to 15 years in prison last July because of criticism of human rights abuses.

Global outrage at Saudi Arabian blogger's public flogging - The Hindu
 

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You have a wraped knowledge of the facts, are you sure you aren't brainwashed by wahabi propaganda ?
Oh really ?

You are living in illusion that's the only thing which you know " wahabi " :tsk:

I pity you ..

What's kind of knowledge do you have about ME facts ? I'm sure you can't go beyond the media's news .. What the media says you believe ,so you're whose brainwashed not me ..:wave:
 

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