What if the American decline never happens?

asianobserve

Tihar Jail
Banned
Joined
May 5, 2011
Messages
12,846
Likes
8,556
Country flag
Fair enough, but you should also see the irony of it.
US :ka: Asianobserve is getting hammered by someone who is actually an American.
I'm fairly certain that Average American is an American... But we are already way off the main issue of the thread. So this is my last post along this line.
 

average american

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,540
Likes
440
As a person that considers them self a decent careing human being I couldnt support the Romney/Ryan ticket and voted for Obama. , If you add the estimated 50,000 deaths due to lack of health care to the other vital social services that the Ryan Budget would eliminate or reduce such as nurseing home care, medicade, you could be looking at the death of up to million americans over two four year terms. Fascism is simply capitalism plus murder. What made it all the more reprehensible was the grotesque self righteousness with which Republicans routinely annoint themselves.
 

spikey360

Crusader
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2011
Messages
3,453
Likes
6,392
Country flag
I'm fairly certain that Average American is an American... But we are already way off the main issue of the thread. So this is my last post along this line.
And I'm fairly certain that WG Ewald is also an American.

In any case, you were the first one to digress. Your skills in that is legendary in DFI. And now that you've been roughed up by an American, you want to deviate, again. Pathetic.
 
Last edited:

spikey360

Crusader
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2011
Messages
3,453
Likes
6,392
Country flag
As a person that considers them self a decent careing human being I couldnt support the Romney/Ryan ticket and voted for Obama. , If you add the estimated 50,000 deaths due to lack of health care to the other vital social services that the Ryan Budget would eliminate or reduce such as nurseing home care, medicade, you could be looking at the death of up to million americans over two four year terms. Fascism is simply capitalism plus murder. What made it all the more reprehensible was the grotesque self righteousness with which Republicans routinely annoint themselves.
Yeah, right. Vote yourself largesse from the State coffers. That ought to really boost the failing economy.
 

spikey360

Crusader
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2011
Messages
3,453
Likes
6,392
Country flag
I am more interested in boosting our failing economy by taxing the rich then killing off ther poor.
So in your country, is it like the rich really robbed the poor and made their bucks? Maybe in Russia, but not in USA.
Didn't the rich earn their every penny, just like the poor? Why are you being so unjust towards the people who power your economy and fuel your unending wars in your quest for world dominance?
 

asianobserve

Tihar Jail
Banned
Joined
May 5, 2011
Messages
12,846
Likes
8,556
Country flag
And I'm fairly certain that WG Ewald is also an American.

In any case, you were the first one to digress. Your skills in that is legendary in DFI. And now that you've been roughed up by an American, you want to deviate, again. Pathetic.
Degress? Deviate? Such curious words, but those are not in my vocabulary. In any case, I stated my position on Obama and there's no point in repeating it and neither do I want to keep hearing Mr. Ewald's tired hateful claims (that's better reserved for American Tea baggers forums).
 
Last edited:

average american

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,540
Likes
440
So in your country, is it like the rich really robbed the poor and made their bucks? Maybe in Russia, but not in USA.
Didn't the rich earn their every penny, just like the poor? Why are you being so unjust towards the people who power your economy and fuel your unending wars in your quest for world dominance?
Pretty well the rich and powerful make the rules so they came out a head India is even worse

The combined wealth figure of these 8200 individuals is equivalent to about 70 per cent of India's total economy size,
India has more poor people then any country on earth while yet only 8200 Indian own 70 percent of the wealth.

the wealth of the top 35 billionaires exceeds that of 800 million poor people who are mainly poor peasants, rural population and slum workers

but according to you they deserve it because of their hard work...

http://theviewspaper.net/distribution-of-wealth-in-india/
 
Last edited:

spikey360

Crusader
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2011
Messages
3,453
Likes
6,392
Country flag
Pretty well the rich and powerful made the rules so they came out a head India is even worse

India is home to as many as 8,200 ultra high net worth (UHNW) individuals whose combined wealth amounts to a whopping $945 billion, says a study.

According to the study by Wealth X, a global wealth intelligence and prospecting company, India has 8,200 UHNW individuals, of which 115 are billionaires.

The combined wealth figure of these UHNW individuals is equivalent to about 70 per cent of India's total economy size, but the study the did not give any specifics taken into account for calculation of wealth size.

India has more poor people then any country on earth while yet only 8200 Indian own 70 percent of the wealth.
You are pathetic. Not because you quoted something which shows Indian condition in a bad light. It may have truth in it, and that will be seen.
You are pathetic because you could not answer the direct question that I'd asked you and simply resorted to changing the topic. Seriously, the world knows that Americans have a short attention span and are distracted ultra-quick. Same cannot be said of Indians, I am from India.
So answer the question, my socialist American friend.
 

average american

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,540
Likes
440
You are pathetic. Not because you quoted something which shows Indian condition in a bad light. It may have truth in it, and that will be seen.
You are pathetic because you could not answer the direct question that I'd asked you and simply resorted to changing the topic. Seriously, the world knows that Americans have a short attention span and are distracted ultra-quick. Same cannot be said of Indians, I am from India.
So answer the question, my socialist American friend.
No the rich did not earn the money, they rigged the game so they won. and I am not here to massage your sentive feelings or to show India in a positive light, I am here to tell you abour real life and reality. The USA is headed in the same direction as India if we dont turn it around and thats why I canged from the Republican party to the Democratic party aftery 40 years and voted for Obama.

How about a little more unpostive light..

According to WFP, India accounts around 50% of the world's hungry. (more than in the whole of Africa) and its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world. India's Global Hunger Index (GHI) score is 23.7, a rank of 66th out of 88 countries. India's rating is slightly above Bangladesh but below all other South Asian nations and India is listed under "ALARMING" category.
Around six out of 10 Indians live in the countryside, where abject poverty is widespread. 34.7 % of the Indian population lives with an income below $ 1 a day and 79.9 % below $ 2 a day. According to the India's planning commission report 26.1 % of the population live below the poverty line. [World Bank's poverty line of $1 a day, but the Indian poverty line of Rs 360 a month, or 30 cents a day].

When talk about GDP and PPP growth for India that growth is mainly for a few hundred ultral rich individuals not for 800 million of Indias poor.
 

spikey360

Crusader
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2011
Messages
3,453
Likes
6,392
Country flag
No the rich did not earn the money, they rigged the game so they won.
..BLAH BLAH BLAH
Everyone, a big standing applause for our very own Robin Hood from Yankeeland.

Do you realise that the ability to rig is also a legal validity that your society and free market system has allowed?
 

average american

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,540
Likes
440
Everyone, a big standing applause for our very own Robin Hood from Yankeeland.

Do you realise that the ability to rig is also a legal validity that your society and free market system has allowed?
Thats why I voted for Obama and support National Health Care and higher taxs on the rich.
 

Damian

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2011
Messages
4,836
Likes
2,202
Thats why I voted for Obama and support National Health Care and higher taxs on the rich.
Let me put this such way. National or rather state health care is inefficent, do you not understand this? In Europe we have state health care and it is inefficent, we had this in socialist times also, and it was not only inefficent but also horrible. Understand that state heatlh care is waste of money, time and people life.

My family is not rich, but if not private owned health care, I would probably not have a father anymore, so thanks, but no.

Besides this, did you work with poor people? I worked and social support for them is also waste of time and money, Obama is just promoting such waste. You know why? It is simple, because when you give these people support in form of money, food they just get lazy and do not want to work, because productive part of society is working for them, and you (if you have a work) and anyone else is paying taxes not for yourself, not for your country but for these lasy useless parasites.

This is socialism for your information, and this is what this ---- head Obama wants.

Now, another thing, sit down and think a little, who is giving work? Poor? A middle class? Of course not! In Poor people wont open companys, middle class is opening mostly small companys, these rich people are opening big companys that need a lot of workers. And now you gave them higher taxes, but this means punishment for them that they want to work, make money and give work to others. Because higher taxes for them means less money to further invest in their buisseness.

Not only that, but their money payed in form of taxes will be wasted on a socialist wet dream, that in the end is just pure waste of time and money, just like national health care or social support for poor.

So in the end it is not benefiting your country.

Perhaps you should read some of Frederich Hayek or Milton Friedman books or at least watch on YouTube Milton's Friedman lectures, and learn something about economy, and how it works.
 

average american

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,540
Likes
440
With no national health or affordable care tens of thousands are dieing each year in the USA.
This is a very simple and indisputable truth. When you deny sick people healthcare because they don't have enough money to pay for it you are indirectly committing an act of murder. I am opposed to Republican Social Darwinism
 

Damian

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2011
Messages
4,836
Likes
2,202
But social darwinism is actually fair play, more fair than a damn socialism.

If someone is idiot and do not work, then why you or me should help him? Because this is moral? And moral is to be a parasite that do not work, is not productive for the nation and society, and he in fact stole our money?

Do you even understand the values on which your own nation were build? It seem not, you do not understand.

These values are personall freedom in every possible aspect within the estabilished law, which means you need to care on your own ass to live in relative prosperity, and nobody is obligated to help you.

Besides this, what actually you did on your own to help other people? Besides only talking about it? I am sure that rich people who get their money through their hard work, helped more by estabilishing working places and paying for different help initiatives than you and all these damn left wing morons did by their talking and stealing money from rich and middle class.

Not to mention that you do not understand that Obama do more harm than good for your own country and this means also you, yes, also you will suffer because of his decisions. You need to understand, every socialist is or naive idiot, or is just a damn thief wanting your money, not matters if he is some minor activist or a president, socialist are thiefs and liers, nothing else.

Maybe learn a bit of history and look what they done to countries in Europe, or world wide, and think twice, before playing the morality card.


And something for you to learn.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Damian

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2011
Messages
4,836
Likes
2,202
I am not interestd in living in a world that is surivival of the fittest, I would rather see any country that adopts that kind of philosophy destroyed which it will be in the end. Daily Kos: This is what "social darwinism" looks like
So go and live in North Korea, there is no social darwinism there, everyone is equall, there is state health care, there is state controlled economy, for you North Korea should be a paradise, and look how healthy North Kreans are, eating mostly grass!





This is how equality, state controlled economy and state healthcare looked like when we had socialism. Empty shops, low quality hospitals.




Shops and hospitals today, not perfect, but still huge improvement thanks to capitalism, however as the shops or supermarkets are prospering fairly well, most of hospitals still have problems and represent lower standards because of state health care.

You think that for people hospitals or in general state healthcare is a good thing? To be serious I would affraid to go to such hospital, knowing what standards they represents.

You live in USA, you do not know what socialism promoted by Obama means, and this is why you support him, simply because of ignorance. Please come to some socialist or post socialist countries, look how people live there, what are standards in absolutely everything, and then compare them to the standards in USA, that have origins in pure capitalism and this what you call social darwinism, than in reality is just people right to start from equal position and then compete and care for theirselfs, their families, to be on top, or be at the bottom.
 
Last edited:

average american

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2012
Messages
1,540
Likes
440
N Korea is communist we know that doesn work. I would rather see a lower level of health care for every body then half the populaiton dieing for the lack of health care. What I envision is more like medicare in the USA, and those that want more and can afford it can buy a medicare supplement package for that purpose....health care would still be thru the private sector. The USA is the only industrialized country in the world with out national health care, I doubt if thats because every other industiralized country in the world is right and we are wrong.
 
Last edited:

Damian

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2011
Messages
4,836
Likes
2,202
First learn something about left wing odeilogy.

Communism is not a real thing, it is utopia, a dream, even leaders of soviet union did not describe their state as communist, but as socialism. Socialism is the real side of communist ideology, socialism and communism is actually the same thing. So it is more proper to call North Korea as socialist state.

I would rather see a lower level of health care for every body then half the populaiton dieing for the lack of health care.
But people will allways die, not matter the system, if you will have state health care like Obama wants, more people will probably die due to lowering quality of health care system. I preffer less die due to their stupidness that they didn't cared more about their life and future, than to endanger whole nation for a vision of some stupid prick that lies to his nation and becomes a president.

What I envision is more like medicare in the USA, and those that want more and can afford it can buy a medicare supplement package for that purpose....health care would still be thru the private sector. The USA is the only industrialized country in the world with out national health care, I doubt if thats because every other industiralized country in the world is right and we are wrong.
Did you ever travelled outside your country and seen how people live around the world? You can bet that young people (like my parents) if they would have to choose between what you want and what was few years ago in USA, they would choose that situation few years ago, why?

Ok I put this straight, if someone is a damn lazy mother----er, who do not work, is not usefull for his nation, he do not deserve any kind of help, from anyone. And believe me, even poore people can make money only if they have opportunities.

Look at the era before Ronald Reagan in USA, and during his cadency, same for UK and Margaret Thatcher. Despite what Obama will tell you, it will be lies, because these two examples show, how state should work, where is it's place, and how economy should work.

Believe me, Obama do not want anything good for USA, this is because of his idiotic ideology.

To be honest, I am surprised that CIA didn't ordered to assasinate him, it would be benefitial for USA and humanity.
 

spikey360

Crusader
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2011
Messages
3,453
Likes
6,392
Country flag
@Damian, no use trying to reason with an average american. Let them eat grass like North Koreans and live in the utopia where Americans die of no medical conditions but hunger. Then they can cheer out loud for Dear Leader Obama and his grand visions of America.

The prophecies were true. The Anti-Christ has arrived after all.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top