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What if India was allied with the US during the Cold War?
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agree totally with the post - India would have been sidelined by the usa just as now that the relationship with india has improved, pak is being sidelined .
usa badly needed china at that crucial point ( of the cold war days) and ch was organised and determioned to play tht role of counterbalance to ussr : India on th eother had was relatively disorganised , too many factions and unclear about being non-aligned and all that . So the clear favourite was china and as such indi would have been sidelined ( just as pak now is)
Mrs G didnt make an error in deepening the realtionship with ussr - it was a timely but not locked-in strategic alliance with a dependable friend and got india into a good bargaining position while remaining independent and not a satellite.
agree totally with the post - India would have been sidelined by the usa just as now that the relationship with india has improved, pak is being sidelined .
usa badly needed china at that crucial point ( of the cold war days) and ch was organised and determioned to play tht role of counterbalance to ussr : India on th eother had was relatively disorganised , too many factions and unclear about being non-aligned and all that . So the clear favourite was china and as such indi would have been sidelined ( just as pak now is)
Mrs G didnt make an error in deepening the realtionship with ussr - it was a timely but not locked-in strategic alliance with a dependable friend and got india into a good bargaining position while remaining independent and not a satellite.
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that is an excellent example of what would have happened had india sided with the west in general and the usa in particular - TAKEN FOR GRANTED - without a word or thanks and last mention ( if at all ) during the annual rememberance ceremonies taking place these days. i personally believe ehnic biases were at work With the ussr however, india got a much better deal for being the only ally for a long time and so received special atttention .
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Here's my two cents worth !
Frankly during the Cold War, only the US and USSR were the real choosers as to who should be with them, the rest were just mere puppets under the hands of these two superpowers !! The western nations sided up with the Americans because they shared more or less the same values and culture, most importantly they were imperialist in nature, and US was also developing that mentality since the end of WW2 ! The east or Asian and African nations sided up with the USSR since the might of the Soviets ensured they will not be again used by their Imperialist landlords under whom they were raped inside out ! The Asian and African nations looked up to the Communist and Socialist ideals since they were poor nations and were impressed how all sections of the society was able to transform for the better under either of these two state ideologies. The west hated these ideologies since they were already well off since 500-600 years back, they didn't want to part with the practice of the wealth accumulated by an individual and share it with others, and they knew that under American umbrella, they would continue to loot the resources of their erstwhile colonies for their own benefits as they continued doing for hundreds of years !!
Now, had India sided with the US other than the USSR, then we would have worse off than what we currently are !! And some members here are confused between communism and socialism !! Folks, our constitution follows the Socialist ideology, we are not Communist !! Please look up the meanings of these two terms before you post ! I don't we think would have developed any more or would have richer than what we currently are. It is because of the socialist ideals that helped us grow as a nation and develop the potential our people had in all fields of the economy and society. Please remember my friends that a nation whose majority of population is very poor can never develop itself under the Capitalist ideology, since it will only make few people stubbornly rich and rest all equally poor, as all the wealth and resources would be concentrated in the hands of very few people and they will have a monopoly which would be disastrous to the have-nots !! It was because of our socialist ideals and help from the Soviets that we were able to learn and build big industries like thermal and nuclear power plants, the Indian railways, ports, automobiles, manufacturing and heavy industries, companies like Tata, Birla, institutions like the IITs, IIMs, AIIMS, media like Doordarshan and AIR etc. !!! Remember the Soviets never hijacked our economy or our resources, they always helped us in learning the building block and then apply and run them on our own in the future ! Whereas, Americans would have opened their own companies here, taken away our resources for their own benefit and to make their nation richer, there would have been campuses of American universities instead of IITs, IIMs etc, which would have benefited very few since they would have been expensive and out of reach of the common man, same would have been the case with healthcare and primary education, leaving the not-so-well-off common man in post-independence India, to fend for themselves, even the basic necessities of life would have been difficult to afford for them ! People would have been driving around in Ford, GM and Chevrolet cars, albeit a very of them, as there would have been no Ambassador, Premier or Maruti that a lot many can afford, home appliances would have been dominated by White-Westinghouse and Electrolux brands, again very few would be able to afford them, as there would have been no BPL, Videocon or Onida etc. ! In essence, what I want to say is that it would have robbed the very idea of an independent nation able to stand on its own in all spheres !! I agree liberalization of the economy is very important and ours started very late in 1991, but that was the short sightedness of our leaders who didn't sense the opportunity, the Chinese were smarter in sensing the opportunity and started opening up their economy with exceptional reforms since the beginning of the 80's and it led to their current success ! We would been far better had we opened up our economy if not more earlier, then atleast the same time as the Chinese did.
Also, some members pointed that other nations also followed the US's ideals and are well off today, then I would ask which nations ?? Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Turkey !!! Let me remind you that all these countries were far better off than we were even long back i.e 5-6 decades back and they had a fraction of our population even around that time and still does today !!! So you see, that is what is the huge difference is between them and us !! Though the success of Malaysia as a nation is worth noting since they were as bad a state as we were at the time of their independence which was much later than ours in 1963, though the population factor is again substantial !
Frankly during the Cold War, only the US and USSR were the real choosers as to who should be with them, the rest were just mere puppets under the hands of these two superpowers !! The western nations sided up with the Americans because they shared more or less the same values and culture, most importantly they were imperialist in nature, and US was also developing that mentality since the end of WW2 ! The east or Asian and African nations sided up with the USSR since the might of the Soviets ensured they will not be again used by their Imperialist landlords under whom they were raped inside out ! The Asian and African nations looked up to the Communist and Socialist ideals since they were poor nations and were impressed how all sections of the society was able to transform for the better under either of these two state ideologies. The west hated these ideologies since they were already well off since 500-600 years back, they didn't want to part with the practice of the wealth accumulated by an individual and share it with others, and they knew that under American umbrella, they would continue to loot the resources of their erstwhile colonies for their own benefits as they continued doing for hundreds of years !!
Now, had India sided with the US other than the USSR, then we would have worse off than what we currently are !! And some members here are confused between communism and socialism !! Folks, our constitution follows the Socialist ideology, we are not Communist !! Please look up the meanings of these two terms before you post ! I don't we think would have developed any more or would have richer than what we currently are. It is because of the socialist ideals that helped us grow as a nation and develop the potential our people had in all fields of the economy and society. Please remember my friends that a nation whose majority of population is very poor can never develop itself under the Capitalist ideology, since it will only make few people stubbornly rich and rest all equally poor, as all the wealth and resources would be concentrated in the hands of very few people and they will have a monopoly which would be disastrous to the have-nots !! It was because of our socialist ideals and help from the Soviets that we were able to learn and build big industries like thermal and nuclear power plants, the Indian railways, ports, automobiles, manufacturing and heavy industries, companies like Tata, Birla, institutions like the IITs, IIMs, AIIMS, media like Doordarshan and AIR etc. !!! Remember the Soviets never hijacked our economy or our resources, they always helped us in learning the building block and then apply and run them on our own in the future ! Whereas, Americans would have opened their own companies here, taken away our resources for their own benefit and to make their nation richer, there would have been campuses of American universities instead of IITs, IIMs etc, which would have benefited very few since they would have been expensive and out of reach of the common man, same would have been the case with healthcare and primary education, leaving the not-so-well-off common man in post-independence India, to fend for themselves, even the basic necessities of life would have been difficult to afford for them ! People would have been driving around in Ford, GM and Chevrolet cars, albeit a very of them, as there would have been no Ambassador, Premier or Maruti that a lot many can afford, home appliances would have been dominated by White-Westinghouse and Electrolux brands, again very few would be able to afford them, as there would have been no BPL, Videocon or Onida etc. ! In essence, what I want to say is that it would have robbed the very idea of an independent nation able to stand on its own in all spheres !! I agree liberalization of the economy is very important and ours started very late in 1991, but that was the short sightedness of our leaders who didn't sense the opportunity, the Chinese were smarter in sensing the opportunity and started opening up their economy with exceptional reforms since the beginning of the 80's and it led to their current success ! We would been far better had we opened up our economy if not more earlier, then atleast the same time as the Chinese did.
Also, some members pointed that other nations also followed the US's ideals and are well off today, then I would ask which nations ?? Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Turkey !!! Let me remind you that all these countries were far better off than we were even long back i.e 5-6 decades back and they had a fraction of our population even around that time and still does today !!! So you see, that is what is the huge difference is between them and us !! Though the success of Malaysia as a nation is worth noting since they were as bad a state as we were at the time of their independence which was much later than ours in 1963, though the population factor is again substantial !
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^^ very true we were socialist at time of Nehru became a staunch Communist at garbhi hato movement and then partially liberalized in 1992 but process is incomplete and i fear it may remain incomplete if few in congress how now a days are trying very hard to prove them self pro-poor and lot`s of left-leaning ideologist are siding with congress and leaving cpi(m)
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Are you joking?
I WAS allied with the USSR We signed a treaty in 1971 called !ndo soviet treaty of friendship, we didnt renew is after 5 years hence the treaty was dissolved
THis is the reason why Russia sents its Aircraft carrier to India when the US sent theirs to protect East pakistan
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What if India was allied with the US during the Cold War?
Either India will be today's Pakistan or Israel....
Either India will be today's Pakistan or Israel....
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Nopes we would be definitely in the state of Pornistan..What if India was allied with the US during the Cold War?
Either India will be today's Pakistan or Israel....
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It was not India's choice,
India didn't choose USSR, instead it was US that chose Pakistan, India was just responding to that development.
US probably thought a relatively homogenous Pakistan was a better bet in the long run than India, so they decided to go with them.
India didn't choose USSR, instead it was US that chose Pakistan, India was just responding to that development.
US probably thought a relatively homogenous Pakistan was a better bet in the long run than India, so they decided to go with them.
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Yeah, Nehru, Nasser, and Tito were the three pioneers of NAM (Non-Aligned Movement).Were Nehru and Tito friends at that time?
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Found this photo.
Three amigos?
Very true. Pakistan's strategic location vis-a-vis the USSR also played a crucial role in the U.S. support of Pakistan. For example, the CIA regularly used Pakistani airfields to launch U-2 spy places into Soviet airspace.
